roop33

VJKK, VJKF

Dear all,

I am currently looking to obtain some shastar, namely a khanda, tegh, kirpan, kara etc They must be of good quality. I am willing to pay if the quality is good.

Does anyone on this forum have any shastar for sale?

Best regards,

Roop

VJKK VJKF

VJKK, VJKF

Dear all,

I am looking to get together with some like minded sikh brothers who would like to start a small group so that we can train in mixed martial arts.

I am based in Birmingham, and we will be looking to train in Coventry - probably once a week. There will be a charge for the lesson, it depends upon numbers interested i.e. the more number we have the less the cost. The benefit is that we can get train together as one group session on a regular basis.

Ideally I am looking to get about 10 people, they must be serious about training, time wasters need not apply.

Mixed martial arts is a very effective form of unarmed combat, it encompasses stand-up grappling/wrestling, boxing techniques,

thai boxing techniques, submission grappling and ground/pound techniques. Very Very effective stuff. It will build confidence and get you very fit.

If there is any one interested then please send me a message.

Best regards to all

Roop

VJJK VJKF

VJKK VJKF

Dear all,

I have been to Niddar's akhara, here is what i learnt in one lesson:-

1. Firstly - remove your kara whilst training - because Niddar says we don't need to wear them all the time

2. That he is a hindu sikh, not sikh but Hindu Sikh

3. That he drinks and eats meat - because you need it to be a warrior

4. He swore at 2 Gatka ustads - i won't mention names, but they were called parts of the female anatomy - i think you know what!

5. Know one challenges him face to face because he is a warrior!

Needless to say I haven't been back again to his class! What he teaches is ok, but it won't work in reality. You will only really see if something works when it is tested under duress i.e. when the adrenalin is pumping through your veins, not when you get a

straight punch in the air and then you do 100 moves!!! LOL!

Don't buy his <banned word filter activated> book, it insults Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji in the first few pages

VJKK VJKF

VJKK VJKF

Dear Veerji,

Thanks for your reply. I am interested in an Ivory Handle, armour piercing - straight blade Pesh Kabz. Do you have one for sale?

VJKK VJKF

VJKK, VJKF

Dear all,

I am looking to obtain a nice Puratan Pesh Kabz. I was wondering if anyone on this forum may have one that they may wish to sell. I don't want to buy online i.e. ebay, etc

Please could someone help.

VJKK, VJKF

VJKK VJKF,

Dear all,

I have not brought this book, but I have used the search facility in amazon to look at the first few pages. In the opening pages there is a conversation between Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji and jait ram, it goes something like this (Note: Guruji is talking to Jait Ram):-

'you have shorn hair and eat pulses, we have unshorn hair, carry weapons, hunt and eat and have the mindset of lions'

I don't know, I might be wrong, but to me this is saying that Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji was a meat-eater!

Thats my reason for not buying this trashy book. The authors insult all of us in the opening pages, how on earth can you buy such

crap. I hear people raving on about the quality, pictures, its taken 10 years of research etc

But I will not put any money in the pockets of anti-panthic people who are out to wreck young impressionable minds, with their twisted

views on sikhi!

VJKK VJKF

VJKK,VJKF

Dear all,

The video of Nang Niddar Singh apologising has finally been put up on the web. here is the link. he is questioned about alcohol, meat (chatka) and bibiyian removing their hair (all of which thinks are ok to do). Yet when asked to respond to these statements he could not answer the questions. he is also seen apologising on video. About time he was exposed! He has been misleading and corrupting young impressionable minds in his classes for too long.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=2xvqfhkWEy4

VJKK, VJKF

VJKK, VJKF

Dear all,

The video of fakester nihang/RSS agent/Nang apologising about his book is out. The video shows him apologising infront of the camera. also when questioned about drinking alcohol, eating meat and women removing their hair - he had NO ANSWER AT ALL!!

Here is the link

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=2xvqfhkWEy4

VJKK, VJKF

VJKK VJKF

Dear all,

I would like firstly to wish all of the sikh sangat members, admin etc a very happy new and prosperous 2009.

I am looking to obtain some shastars , namely katars, nihang style kara's, close quarter combat weapons, kirpans. i have tried shastarman.com and sikhishop etc. Unfortunately they do not have the type of shastar that i am looking for.

I have also tried akaalarms, asianarms and oriental-arms websites but the shastar are way to expensive for me.

Does anyone on the forum have a private collection of weapons that are looking to sell? I would be very grateful if there is anyone out there who could help.

VJKK, VJKF

vjkk vjkf

i have been selling shasters for some time to the sangat i thought i wud try on here, send me a message with your email add and i will e-mail you the pics i also have 2 puratan kattars for sale and a new taksali style too

vjkk vjkf

VJKK VJKF

Hi, firstly I would like to wish you a happy and prosperous 2009. I have sent you my email address raj281@hotmail.co.uk. I would be

very grateful if you could send me some pics of the puratan Katar's thatyou have on offer. I have tried various outlets i.e. shastarman, sikhishop etc none of them have any at all. I look forward to hearing from you.

best regards,

VJKK VJKF

vjkk vjkf

i have been selling shasters for some time to the sangat i thought i wud try on here, send me a message with your email add and i will e-mail you the pics i also have 2 puratan kattars for sale and a new taksali style too

vjkk vjkf

VJKK, VJKF

I have ben trying to get hold of a nice Katar. I would like to see what it looks like. I am also after a nice Kirpan. Also if you have any nice Nihang style Kara's. Please take my email address and post me some pictures and prices please. My email is raj281@hotmail.co.uk.

I look forward to hearing from you.

VJKK, VJKF

Does anyone know where this extended video is? I have looked around the web, but as of yet there seems to be no trace.

i hope whoever has it will quickly post it!

I really think that this Nang should be exposed for what he is. He has been misleading youngsters for too long. messing up their

minds with his hindu version of sikhi.

If you go to amazon.co.uk, you can browse into this book, i believe the first 5-6 pages. In these pages, he is also implying that

Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji was a meat eater.

Come on, upload the rest of the video and lets expose this fakester!

VJKK, VJKF

Dear all,

I have just come across a video on the 'panthic weekly' web site. This shows a video link, in which Niddar is told to write down and highlight on which pages/chapters he has made derogratory remarks against the Jathedar of Takht Sri Hazoor Sahib. Apparently these remarks were written in Niddars book : 'In the Masters Presence, Sikhs of Hazoor Sahib Vol 1'. It is all on video.

I think it finally exposes Niddar, for the dodgy character he is. I have included the link below:

http://forums.panthic.net/index.php?showtopic=27343

VJKK, VJKF

I think the problem is many people commenting in this thread have no first had experience (including myself, being from canada) living alongside aggressive muslims who hate us. Speaking with friends who've lived in muslim areas in the uk, they say that the situation is real bad.

Sikhs are outnumbered; most don’t have the ankh our forefathers, and even previous generation, had; get harassed very often; girls get targeted; our faith gets openly mocked by the young muslims. Even Sant Jagjit Singh ji talks about this problem, and our lack of response.

In my opinion, and the opinion of many others, the time for reconciliation is over. You can’t “talk it out” with people who have an ingrained hate of you. There is no “misunderstanding” that needs clearing up, unlike a lot of problems we face from gorays, the muslims know us, our history, who we are, and they hate us for that. Maybe the older generation of Pakistani muslims had more sense, but this generation is not shy in openly insulting our Guru Sahibaan, targeting our girls, and harassing our youth.

So before people start giving the holier than thou lecture about taking the high road, not resorting to violence, take alook at the ground reality.

No where else , not india, pakistan, us, canada do we have the kind of problem we're facing from muslim (pakistani) youth in the uk.

I think the problem is many people commenting in this thread have no first had experience (including myself, being from canada) living alongside aggressive muslims who hate us. Speaking with friends who've lived in muslim areas in the uk, they say that the situation is real bad.

Sikhs are outnumbered; most don’t have the ankh our forefathers, and even previous generation, had; get harassed very often; girls get targeted; our faith gets openly mocked by the young muslims. Even Sant Jagjit Singh ji talks about this problem, and our lack of response.

In my opinion, and the opinion of many others, the time for reconciliation is over. You can’t “talk it out” with people who have an ingrained hate of you. There is no “misunderstanding” that needs clearing up, unlike a lot of problems we face from gorays, the muslims know us, our history, who we are, and they hate us for that. Maybe the older generation of Pakistani muslims had more sense, but this generation is not shy in openly insulting our Guru Sahibaan, targeting our girls, and harassing our youth.

So before people start giving the holier than thou lecture about taking the high road, not resorting to violence, take alook at the ground reality.

No where else , not india, pakistan, us, canada do we have the kind of problem we're facing from muslim (pakistani) youth in the uk.

VJKK VJKF

Dear all,

Lets get a few facts rigt here:

1. Muslim youth in the Uk (especially mirpuri) are openly targetting vunerable sikh youth i.e. school kids, sikh youth who are alone,

in schools, colleges, universities.

You might ask why?

The answer is that our great sikh forefathers stopped the spread of Islam throughout the whole of India, through sacrifice and self-defence and above all Naam! Muslims hate us for this, they simply despise us! Fact!

Even Muhammed said to 'take your enemies women'. That is why sikh girls get targetted all over the UK - gullible sikh girls. Muslims know that they outnumber sikhs heavily and hence won't get a response back - hence they carry on trying to rub our noses in it by going with our sisters.

They can only attack you - WHEN THEY OUTNUMBER YOU! Fact! Alone they are absolutely nothing! Yes, they have unity- they all

hang about and when called will get a group of 50-60 together in numbers.

Sikhs have no unity, but whenever sikhs have stuck together muslims think twice before attacking us. Fact!

What these young sikhs done was very brave. They stood up to these gutless cowards - who attack only school kids. The only issue I have with these young sikhs are:

1. Don't disrespect anyone's religion

2. We don't need to post pictures of ourselves on websites

But on the whole they did a great service to the community, and they showed us that when sikhs get together, these muslim

COWARDS are nothing!

VJKK VJKF

I think the problem is many people commenting in this thread have no first had experience (including myself, being from canada) living alongside aggressive muslims who hate us. Speaking with friends who've lived in muslim areas in the uk, they say that the situation is real bad.

Sikhs are outnumbered; most don’t have the ankh our forefathers, and even previous generation, had; get harassed very often; girls get targeted; our faith gets openly mocked by the young muslims. Even Sant Jagjit Singh ji talks about this problem, and our lack of response.

In my opinion, and the opinion of many others, the time for reconciliation is over. You can’t “talk it out” with people who have an ingrained hate of you. There is no “misunderstanding” that needs clearing up, unlike a lot of problems we face from gorays, the muslims know us, our history, who we are, and they hate us for that. Maybe the older generation of Pakistani muslims had more sense, but this generation is not shy in openly insulting our Guru Sahibaan, targeting our girls, and harassing our youth.

So before people start giving the holier than thou lecture about taking the high road, not resorting to violence, take alook at the ground reality.

No where else , not india, pakistan, us, canada do we have the kind of problem we're facing from muslim (pakistani) youth in the uk.

I think the problem is many people commenting in this thread have no first had experience (including myself, being from canada) living alongside aggressive muslims who hate us. Speaking with friends who've lived in muslim areas in the uk, they say that the situation is real bad.

Sikhs are outnumbered; most don’t have the ankh our forefathers, and even previous generation, had; get harassed very often; girls get targeted; our faith gets openly mocked by the young muslims. Even Sant Jagjit Singh ji talks about this problem, and our lack of response.

In my opinion, and the opinion of many others, the time for reconciliation is over. You can’t “talk it out” with people who have an ingrained hate of you. There is no “misunderstanding” that needs clearing up, unlike a lot of problems we face from gorays, the muslims know us, our history, who we are, and they hate us for that. Maybe the older generation of Pakistani muslims had more sense, but this generation is not shy in openly insulting our Guru Sahibaan, targeting our girls, and harassing our youth.

So before people start giving the holier than thou lecture about taking the high road, not resorting to violence, take alook at the ground reality.

No where else , not india, pakistan, us, canada do we have the kind of problem we're facing from muslim (pakistani) youth in the uk.

VJKK, VJKF

Dear all.

I have a currently doing Martial Arts, in which there is a lot of close quarter sparring/grappling etc.

I was wondering if I am allowed to remove my Kara when undertaking such activities. I wonder if anyone could help.

many thanks

VJKK VJKF

Dear all,

I have been doing some martial arts training - JKD/Wrestling. I really wanted to know where is the best place to get some good quality Shastars. I am particularly interested indo-persian weapons, katars, kara's, sher panja etc. The price must also be affordable, I have tried AkaalArms (but they are really expensive)

Can anyone help? Or does anyone ave any to sell?

VJKK VJKF

yeah eagle claw kung fu

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=EqrtiVGnUyk

http://www.lilylaueagleclaw.com/

Sifu Hari Singh teaches this style in the west mids

pm us for further info

Hi,

For standup fighting learn boxing/Thai Boxing

Ground Fighting - take up Brazilian Ji Jitsu

Weapons - take up Kali/Escrima

I think that Krav Maga is very good as it teaches you all ranges and multiple attackers.

Hope that Helps

There are martial arts classes being taught at oldbury gurdwara, west midlands and access to professional Gym equipment.

Tuesdays 7-9pm - Grappling & Gym

Wednesdays 7-9pm Muai Thai & Gym or Kirtan/Vichar in Main Darbar

Fridays 7-9pm Muai Thai/Jujitsu & Gym

Saturdays - 3-5pm Gatka/Gurmat Vichar

Oldbury singhs are organising all this for free for sadh sangat so please get in touch with them or message me and ill put you through

Akaaaaaal

There are martial arts classes being taught at oldbury gurdwara, west midlands and access to professional Gym equipment.

Tuesdays 7-9pm - Grappling & Gym

Wednesdays 7-9pm Muai Thai & Gym or Kirtan/Vichar in Main Darbar

Fridays 7-9pm Muai Thai/Jujitsu & Gym

Saturdays - 3-5pm Gatka/Gurmat Vichar

Oldbury singhs are organising all this for free for sadh sangat so please get in touch with them or message me and ill put you through

Akaaaaaal

Hi,

Please could you give me some more information on the Grappling/Thai Boxing classes at oldbury gurdwara. What grappling art is it? Brazilian Ju Jitsu? Who is the person i need to contact.

Thanks in advance

Roop

Hi,

Yeah, stay away from Niddar. He is bad news. He will teach you shastar vidiya but slowly drop 'lines' of his corrupt knowledge to confuse you. What he teaches is very similar to Kalarippayatt (indian martial arts). The forms are very similar, Kalarippayatt has wild boar form, snake form, peacock form and so does Niddars (so called Shastar Vidiya) mixed in with some knowledge he has picked up from some nihangs in India i.e nihang battlefield formations etc.

There is a guy in London - Paul Whitrod who teaches Kalarippayatt, learn of him instead! www.paulwhitrod.com. Or learn Escrima/Kali, do some Thai-boxing and Grappling art. Thats all you need!

Thanks

Hi,

There are gatka classes taught in oldbury gurdwara, every saturdays - www.khalsapanth.co.uk - Bhai Boota Singh

also there are gatka classes taught in Dasmesh Gurdwara Lozells - www.gatkaonline.co.uk - Bhai Harjinder Singh

Finally, there is a shastar vidiya class taught on Coventry road, Namdhari Gurdwara Birmingham Sundays 10-1pm Niddar Singh

I hope that helps

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa

Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh

does anyone know where i can get some dumala shastars in Birmingham?

Thanks

Dear Veerji,

You can buy Dumala Shastars from 'www.theshastarman.com'. he also has a brilliant range of Karas etc

Hope that helps.

Hi,

The mela was absolutely fantastic this year!! There was no fun fair, which was great i.e. no load music and idiots looking for trouble. The whole event was so calm and relaxed. There was enough police presence at all the entrances to the park aswell as

security inside. Brilliant!!

The Gatka was great, little kids were having a great time on the bounce castle and the food was great!!

I can't wait for next year! It can only get better!!!

Hi,

I was wondering what your thoughts are regarding the banning of Handsworth Mela?

here are my views;

1. The Mela should not be banned, but please do not take Guru Maharaj Ji to the park. The darbar sahib that is set up needs to be stopped. PERIOD! However I do not feel that the whole mela should be banned, because i believe that is the main aim of the racist muslim gangs who come there to cause trouble i.e. cause trouble, get the mela banned. I believe last year's mela saw muslim youth entering with dogs etc and harrassing our women.

2. The funfair needs to be taken removed. This is where most of the fighting happens.

3. We need to have a strict control on who enters the place. people need to be searched for weapons, alcohol, drugs etc. I know this would be very hard to implement. One of the proposals would be to have a ticket allocation to get entry. Tickets could be allocated via local gurdwaras. No ticket, no entry.

4. There needs to be a strict control on the amount of litter that has been thrown about. Please use bins!

5. I also believe that we should have a seperate Nagar Kirtan, that would go around the local gurdwaras and then perhaps finish off at Soho rd Gurdwara etc

I look forward to any comments.

All the best

Roop

Hi,

I just wanted to ask a question, what are the main sikh groups in the UK? I know that there is no more SP. I heard a few years ago about some group called the Sikh Alliance, is there any more out there?

Just wanted to know if anyone knows of any.

Thanks

roop