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I do hope that is a typo and you meant condemn not condone..... Of course yes i do.. Spell checkers not always so postive :WW:

Prem I am not a racist. Merely pointing out that they seem to want to make an extra effort to highlight these issues, when it happens against other cultures. My very first post on this subject said that I did not agree with what they did.” Firstly I do not agree with what the mother and son did here before we all know who jumps down my throat.” Funny how the later part of the sentence speaks for itself. Murder is murder as you quite correctly put it. I condone it just like you do. And yes I can compare to a lot of situations where they have not convicted there own. For many crimes spanning many years. Once again I was highlighting the fact that they seem too have a lot of enthusiasm and energy when it comes to these things. And it’s nice to know that there are people like you out there who have such a western view on things. To quote a few “When you come to England change your attitude and live by the law of the land.” Is it this attitude that’s bringing our Sikhi culture to its knees.?? The law of the land allows all these things like smoking, drinking and all the rest (lets not elaborate) So go out there and do it then if that’s your view. “Furthermore, she was married when she was 16. What kind of thing is that to do? Barbarians. This is the 21st Century. Backward cave people like this, with the morality of 500 years ago, need to change their ways when living in the West. Forcing a girl of 16 to get married is pure evil. The sooner these types of backward people die out amongst Sikhs in the UK the better. If you want to live by the laws of the pind, stay in Punjab, don't come to England.” Who are you calling a “Barbarian” “backward cave people” here I assume it’s the same girls family (who you seem to have a passion for at the moment) Bit hypocritical isn’t it?? “At least it's good to know that there are people like you out there so everyone knows that this murderous impulse still exists.” And its just as reassuring to know that there are people like you out there who seem to be very quick to throw insults and make accusations when someone else’s view doesn’t match yours. I never in any post agreed with the fact that these two had killed an innocent woman, nor did I support it, so how you have come to this conclusion only yourself knows. And despite your words rest assured I do not agree with murder irrespective of the circumstances. “You sound like all these racist Muslim fundamentalists” You call me a racist then yourself call Muslims racist as well, just you like to have a dig at me about it. It would appear that my categorization of the white community seems to have hit a raw nerve with you. Remember this next time you are called a “paki” or some other similar remark Having read your posts I am not the first and I sure won’t be the last who has had the “honor” of your insults. Its just a shame that your are not so enthusiastic about the real issues here as you are about your insults.

Yes and also ask him why the british government is not so keen to investigate murders in its own country as they are keen to investiagte murders abroad. This offence took place in India yet the pair have been tried and found guilty in the UK at the taxpayers expense i may add. If i rember correct they have some old law that allows them to do that. Shame they aint so keen to bring some of the 84 murders to justice. Typical proporganda by these honkeys to badnam the faces of other religions. I would say its against the sikhs only but we all know thats not true, as the week before we had a muslim case where they had killed there daughter under similar circumstances. They call it "honour" killings thats only because they are a race of no religion, culture or value. Hence they have none themselves and would not understand honour.

Firstly I do not agree with what the mother and son did here before we all know who jumps down my throat. However remember this girl had started drinking, eating meat and smoking. To add the icing to the cake she was having an affair with another colleague (Sikh again by the looks of it) . How many “bujjar kurehit” is that? Then her relatives fully fledged Sikhs go on camera and say “it’s a landmark victory” where was he when his sister (I assume its her brother) was doing all these things. The only victory he has achieved is disgracing the name of sikhi whilst himself pretending to be one.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england...ire/6920436.stm Two high profile cases of murder in a single week. Whats our culture coming to?

This is a ongoing issue. When 9/11 happend these goris were thinking that all sikhs were terroist. This Bin laden had a turban and they think we are from the same clan. These pakis as much as they want to disgrace themseleves they bring us down with them. Education is the only way even a little awarnes goes a long way. These people need to understand that we are two distinct differnt people with two clearly different views and morals. However after 7/11 some of the goris have become more wiser they now realise that its a islamic threat they face not a sikh one.

So we ruled from kabul to Delhi thats some area. So when the goris finally got us did they make afganistan as well? Do excuse my ignorance on the subject. Will i ever find a map showing the area that we had before the goris took it of us. I have searched high and low without sucsess. My late father alwyas said it was the dogras who scrwed us up he also told me stories about how they sent plants in sacks pretendig it was amunition. However you have given me one more reason to hate the hindus. So if the goris gave us the choice we really cant blame them now :umm:

sangat ji please help me out here and correct me if i am wrong. When the goris went to India is it not true that the last state to fall to them was the punjab, some 12 or so years after the death of Mharaja Ranjit singh. Also is it not true that the punjab then was much bigger than it is now. I keep hearing stories from old folks that he ruled up to Kabul which is now in Afganistan. However if the above is correct my point has alwyas been that they should have given us back what they took from us hence we should apply pressure on them to say you left it unsorted and now you should assits and fix the mess you left behind. I find it very difficult to belive that the bristish government would back us for our own state. India is a superpower and the brits would not want to lose there relations. Is it ethical for one country to say to another give part of your country away?. The irish, scots and welsh have wanted that for years but we dont see any other country supporting there cause. They dare enter while maharaja ranjit singh was alive and after his death i am led to belive that we was sold out to them by our own people. Please do correct me if i have made a mistake. Bhul chuk mafh

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These goons need there a** kicking... I had a hindu goon work with me few yrs ago...typical right wing from calcultta...then one day he kicked of about 84 and how we was terroist... I gently and very calmy reminded him that our guru ji gave shadi for them...to this day he hasnt mentioned a word...mind u he soon got sent back to where he came from....wonder why

OK.. Some real intresting stuff and some real nice pics to have thanks to the posters ..when i was at sixth form i did a project on this issue..had loads of original articles etc from the libary..Spent all my days in birmingham liabry going through reals of the times newspaper..Unfortunaelty a skih leader borrowed the file and i never got it back.. One thing i do rember is that some of the documenation is protected by some sort of secrecy order imposed by some judge of the time.. and it will expire in 100 yrs time...2040...Seems a bit harsh for a secrecy order to last that long however it was the year 1940 and things have changed one hell of a lot since then... My question to the forum is are there any legal people on the forum...with the cold war over and them secrets made public...what are the chances of this documentaion been relased earlier.. Sadly i wont be around in 2040 to find out what it is.. Alterntivley does any one have an inclination to what the documents contents are... Further more does anyone know if udham singh has any surving family or anything else about his personal life..feel free to message me direct if its of topic for the forum

The one thing i do know abouit my religion is that i am a sikh of the guru!..Not a joker!

Of course you will accpet her back..yeah right!!! She has taken "amrit" from guru Ji only after taking and gicing herslef to a muslim guy.. U r so quick to blame the parents and how we dont preach sikhi blah blah blah... She was born a skih...It was her duty to ask and find out what sikihi meant.. U go scholl teacher teaches u subject ...u no understand u read u ask... U r so full of blah!! Its her daughter who is the loser in all this..I hear it all the time "it just happend" "it didnt mean anything" " i dont live him" Only cos clowns like u accpet them back..then u have the guru ji to hide behind..our guru ji does not say go do sins..u like the christain faith sin all week then go and confess to father..he says do 5 hail marys and 2 our fathers and all your sins are forgiven my child.. Yet u dont show him your face and you dont see his..I am NOT dissing them..I have regard for all cultures including Islam...Just cant tolerate these conversions and then conversions back...whats is this the loacl currency exchange..what she gonna convert to next? What has she contributed to our faith...oh yes i forgot ...she disssed it publicy in a article..didnt she.!! In her days all relgions were taught in school..shame she only pciked up the bad habits..when her father gran and mom "beat" her as she put it for been drunk..they did that cos they cared fro her..SHE knew it was worng from day one..BUT she had to try it.. Its a shame cos if the guys she met had been sikhs she wud not have had to write this article.. But there again she may have been unfaithfull..Cos she needed to relate to islam!! With regatrd to that stupid link u have posted about that lahore "<admin-profanity filter activated>" houses i fail to follow u? Whats the significance of that amsterdam is no diff nor is brimnghma..there is a <admin-profanity filter activated> house practilcally oppostie soho road gurdwara..

The reason she was seeing this guy at midnight was cos of the thrill...had he been a skih she wud have done the same.. So now u saying parents dont educate there children about sikhi...what have u gurdwara pardans done to resolve this issue.. Not a lot...u filled your own pockets with illict money... The muslims built schools for there kikds..where r the sikh ones.. Go to willenhall temple they have built a scholl there for education to the sikh community some many years back.. And the "opppostion" send threat letters to the pardan and throw paint over his car..and try and get some girls like this one to photgraph them in compramising postioins. We fell out with the hindus big style in 84... now look at us.. the presdinet of the india is a sikh ..leading a hindu party.. U put up or shiut up as a culture like the germans and hitler did..But no we have u these do godders who want to forgive everyone...bit like social workers Bring her to your house..answer me one question wud you marry her to your son knowing full well her past... Ask this girls parents that question. Did they teach her about sikhi.. She had difficulty reading did she!!! Why were the english so sucsesfull..Because what they did not know they learnt!!! Do get real...and do wake up..take a horse 2 water u cant make it drink.. Siki followed correctly is the puriest religion out there we dont drink smoke or abuse womnen or animals..We feed the hungary and cloth the poor..We are supposed to do 10% dan from our earnings What other culture has such puriety... Do you know this bebi personally? Do you know her mates at the time the ones that were telling her this is worng...

So let all the girls go and see these people and then lets them all come back and we and guru ji forgive them. Lets let sikhi become a culture of ............ So you are all saying that we need 2 geive these sisters comfort and tweach them about sikhi blah blah blah We are a culture of loving and god fearing people. So dont come wioth the blag about how we dont educate and love and comfort them. She blatantly dissed sikihi.. She was going out at 12 midnight to see this guy.. Get real!!

"dont forget the main intention behind that true was to wake our self and give enough time, attention, education and love to our kids, thats the only way we can stop this from happening to someone in our own family." So now you are saying that we dont love our children and dont give them enough affection hence they find it elsewhere and in islam. She dissed our faith quite publicly whilst writing that article then she returns to it.!! So its ok to go fufling your fantasies and go do these thigns and blame "lack of knowledge in sikhism" then say well now i have realised so i will come back. Whats happening in our gurdwaras is no different to what is happening in churches,mosques and mandirs all over the world.

Are you expecting sympathy for this. This woman even after suffering all thiose things she has alledged to ahve suffered whilst writing this article has dissed sikhi so many times. Sikhi wasnt this and sikhi wasnt that yet islam was this and islam was that. Now she "claims" to have taken amrit. How her parents never taught her sikih she never understood sikhi in the tremple. blah blah blah. She was a educated bright 16 year old ....which public libary in the country does not have books on sikhism...Which gurdwara did not offer her any literature...If she lived in some remote village yes...for dams sake she lived in the middle of Birmingham!!! they have a 9 floor libary there!! She is after nothing but sympathy..for what she did she is hoping that she will be forgiven if she writes this..it will make her feel better When she got back she went to gurdwara for help..why didnt she go to the mosque.. Wonder if her husband knows of her past!

Some how i am not suprised that "The Sun" a national paper published this article. So its of national intrest is it. What about all the goras who beat up asian and black. Dont recall many of them articles in the same tabloid. Was it not the sun who went to India a while ago with a wod full of pound notes and offerd 1lak reward for the asian guy suspected of murdering the "white" girl in southampton. So they went and brought the police and the public with there notes posters were dotted all over the punjab at the time. What a allmighty shame that the same tabloid couldnt go to Afghanistain to offer a reward for Bin laden!!! Surely he is wanted for far more serious crimes than these people. But they lost there bottle there cos they knew the afghans wud kick there White A** However i do not accept what these guys did at all its just that the sun seem to want to play the race card most of the time

We have just been declined by a local temple to bring a disabled person into the darbar sahib by wheelchair. What are others views on this. How do we expect a person who is disabled to worship if they are outcast from our temples.