kullykhalsa

Anyone?

Best chance to find these it on sundays @ any big gurdwara from sedgley street, in wolves to 1 of the large southall gurdwara but im not to sure about the london 1s

sorry couldnt be more help :D

bhul chuk maf :wub:

advice is given here, im sorry ji for i didnt mean to offend any1 as that is not the point of the thread, but lecturing the rest of us on in your own words "actually reading the guru granth sahib ji" makes you come of as patronising! this thread could have easily been solved by your cousin coming back on looking at the comment and saying sorry, and pointing out she didnt mean to make the accidental mistake, thats all! to ask forgiveness of guru ji is nothing we should do it daily at his lotus feet so why the big deal nw?! you say "trust me i used to live and do seva with a granthi" this is fantastic for you, and we should all strive to become better people but the fact remains no one is slating anyone, humility goes both ways.

as for an english version of SGGJ you can find the link above helpful that was posted by akirtghan or alternatively try googling it, as for GGSJ in your own house only the most commited people should take Guru ji into there own house, maybe as veer ji said learn the language slowly and then ask your local gurdwara! NO OFFENCE IS INTENDED

bhul chuk maf :wub:

fateh

id like to appluad akirtghan for the fact that his post was relevant to the question asked i dnt see hw he belittled the person asking the question, he gave a pretty damn concise answer and he offered a link the fact he is giving us this info is something we should all learn frm . to me summer ji it looks like U r the one looking to stir the infamous "karche". Veer ji has been patient with you and has even apologised for his harsh words, but he has told the truth theis person was hinting that our guru ji was a book that can be traded for money, yes it may happen outside but that does not make it correct again hes correct in saying all should come from the sgpc and the english translations are a bit dodgy! you have provided no information to help, so please if your just on here to hate stop it!

bhul chuk maf :wub:

KullyKhalsa Ji,

The starter of the thread is actually my cousin. She has been looking for an English version of the GGS. She came to me and was baffled as to why this was written:

-guru sahib is not a book.

-one cannot "buy" guru sahib with money. money is given as bheta (offering). ideally, to cover costs of whichever sevadaar has done the seva.

She never called it a "book" and like it or not people do "sell" them for a set price, even in Gudwaras (unfortunately the one's she has seen up north are not good quality, with dodgy English translation) for in the region of £100. If she caused offence by asking where to get one and how much money etc, then of course, use sense to see this IS not deliberate. Please use common sense instead of, attacking someones wording. If you really are incensed by this, then you should contact Gudwara's asking then to stop doing this, rather than putting the blame on a girl.

I of course, am not supporting the fact that this happens.

I agree with my cousin, what is the point of posting a question, if the response is unhelpful? She never called it a "book" so akirtghan doesnt have to bring up these points.

Also, i appreciate the link he put in, but if its incomplete and inaccurate translations, then why offer this?

What links do you use Kully Khalsa that you can suggest?

When remarks were made about "a decent copy", what she meant was one that wouldnt fall apart - to that does she deserve to read "Be careful what you write...?" No, she does not. She just wants one she can keep. Isnt that a good thing?

akirtghan referred to me as "It" deliberately and maliciously - do you agree with this?

And why say he could care less about people's feelings and then apologise. Do you think this an adequate apology? You say he told the "truth". Well, the truth is people DO "sell" the GGS. Thats the truth. You may not like it, I dont like it but this is life.

That is the truth. It is not my fault.

You said akirtghan answered the question of the thread, well no, actually. Maybe you know a place for my cousin to buy an English version of the GGS? If so, you can answer the question of this thread?

I am from Punjab and have my own traditional copy which i read regulary but British Sikhs like my cousin cannot read the traditional script. I am glad she is looking to read more, but we are both baffled by this "Superiority complex" some people on SikhSanget have, i dont get it.

There is no need to deliberately call people "It" or berate someone when they didnt even call the GGS "a book", or have a go because people sell it, - she doesnt sell it! Or to start saying it is my fault that people are not doing maryada.

It was a simple question. If people dont know where to get one, then fine, so be it.

Im not hating on anyone, i am just standing up for the right for people to ask what they want to ask, in peace and comfort.

Kully Khalsa, instead of saying things like "that person implied its a book" - why not help British Sikhs to learn more instead of supporting and encouraging tittle tattle. Have you read the GGS? It is so against things like that! Please dont be pedantic on stuff like how my cousin worded a question.

Instead why dont you share what links you use for translation or maybe your local Gudwara is more respectful about the distribution of the GGS than the ones my cousin has encountered. Maybe you can share your resources.

Again, i want to say, i mean no disrespect to anyone BUT please, just let people post questions in peace and refrain from nitpicking about how something MAY have potentially been worded. You know and i know, she didnt mean any harm - so there is no need for "harsh words" and "reading between the lines" and "looking at whats being hinted". This reminds me of old ladies, trying to find a fault. Dont deconstruct these sentences so much!

She just wanted advice....

fateh ji

as your cousin may or may not know she implied it was a book, now if you cant see this implication theres no point replying! ive already agreed that guru ji does get "sold" which doesnt make it right from your local gurdwara you can try to get a english version! whatever has happened between you an akirtghan is between yourself these petty arguments mean little to the rest of us! its not nitpicking its the fact that, it seems as if our guru ji is being disrespected now the fact has been established and everyone realises its an accident its all kewl but it was jst a reference point for the future! akirtghan said there are many dodgy versions in english he then proceded to give you a link which is the most unbiased english link i know of, this is the same link i use, i think people have misunderstood his post! the blame doesnt lie with a girl or a gurdwara there is no blame for any1 , the point was stressed so as people dnt make that mistake it was aimed at the likes of me and others who may or may not kno that we could offend people! i dnt see a "superiority complex" on sikhsangat, maybe your looking to hard for things that arent there!

bhul chuk maf :D

sant ji like anyone else was a normal man and as that he made mistakes, however the main blame must lie with the government and the fact this was planned any decent war strategist would say that the should have gone inside the complex as firstly the govt shouldnt have never attacked a holy shrine and because of the inter connected tunnels and the thousands of sadsanghat!

bhul chuk maf :wub:

i dnt think thas entirely true! yes some people have been confused but the fact that people are reading about it and are posting about me there is a realisation about it! there will always be people trying to confuse people but as long as we keep faith with our guru ji and stay within sad sangat then we will nt be affected by this!

bhul chuk maf :wub:

it, do what you like.

again, read carefully what i wrote. i apologized for using harsh language not for saying the truth

btw, people like you are the reason we are losing all maryada that guru sahib has given us

No, you said you could care less if you hurt peoples feelings and then offered an apology. That makes no sense at all, and is not much of an apology. Is this how you practice Sikhi????

You call me "It", deliberately and on purpose - see how childish and unnecessaily aggressive you are? Where did you learn to do this? Not from our Guru!

People like me are not the reason we are losing maryada - you cannot blame me for something worldwide. You yourself havent done it, so stop being such a hypocrite! What i am saying is if someone wants to ask a simple question, let them, dont bully and reprimand them.

This is a forum for everyone to learn from each other, not for you to deliberately try to belittle people. Why are you on here then?

What do you think your Guru thinks of you for your behaviour that you have shown? You hide behind the Guru's words and talk of maryada etc but you dont even show the basic principle of Sikhi - tolerance towards others. No wonder people use "Guest" as a disguise for their identity if they cannot even ask for simple help because they will be bullied by the likes of you.

I think you too need an English version of the GGS, you clearly have no idea about how to treat and help people. Stop with the fake words and apologies. Learn your background and stop shaming the Guru's teachings.

fateh

id like to appluad akirtghan for the fact that his post was relevant to the question asked i dnt see hw he belittled the person asking the question, he gave a pretty damn concise answer and he offered a link the fact he is giving us this info is something we should all learn frm . to me summer ji it looks like U r the one looking to stir the infamous "karche". Veer ji has been patient with you and has even apologised for his harsh words, but he has told the truth theis person was hinting that our guru ji was a book that can be traded for money, yes it may happen outside but that does not make it correct again hes correct in saying all should come from the sgpc and the english translations are a bit dodgy! you have provided no information to help, so please if your just on here to hate stop it!

bhul chuk maf :wub:

what gurdwara you should let people know me thinks :wub:

bhul chuk maf

And do you know the conditions of the other indian states? Your only looking at a state level. Punjab is better off then a lot of other states in india. Our economy is among the best.

Perhaps a few people responsible are still in charge, It is the punjabi peoples choice to elect whoever they want. But KPS Gill helped keep punjab from all out riots. Sure he was insane, but a lot of people wanted those thugs and terrorists out of punjab. He did it. Hes retired now anyway, but most of the punjab population supported him. The education problem needs to be addressed, but is that the national government's fault??????????????

Do you dispute the fact that Jarnail singh was responsible for killings? I am not trying to offend anyone, I'm simply saying that he did not follow the guidelines of our religion. Do you think Guru Nanak would approve of what he did? Or any guru approve of what he did? I know he was trying to help, and he did, but he crossed a line that shouldn't have been crossed.

The idea of Khalistan is that the National Government has it out for us. This is not the case. Punjab's problems lay in Punjab.

lol im also laughing at the fact youve just called kushwant singh non biased i have read from non biased sources and biased sources the fact i can tell the difference means ive read my fair share try cynthia mahmood for a unbiased view! the conditions of the others states are nt as bad as punjab yes punjab does look better then some states but this is mainly due to THE FACT that punjab is a prosperous state just behind Dehli in terms of affluence! however that is not translated in its economy or its investment, punjabs structure is still the same and dnt we all kno tht the government wud love to keep the punjabis as uneducated farmers!

youve gone from your stand point of no past representives being in charge to a few which atleast means youre listening! about 20-25% of the top people in power nw are still there or there abouts! as for kps gill the fact tht you can even try to argue tht what the dude did was good means you need to read up a bit more on the self labelled "butcher of punjab",

what line is it that sant ji crossed? like any man he made mistakes but to try n say he was responsible for the killings of thousands is kind of shifting the blame wudnt u say?! i think guru ji would approve that atleast some one stood up for sikhs who were being oppressed atleast someone made a difference, unlike you and me who campaign for change atleast this bhai did something!

punjabs problems do lie in punjab the damndest thing tho, guess who runs punjab NT US!

bhul chuk maf! :wub:

sis dragged me this morning to asa di // well gud glad i went :wub:

guru ji said every1 is your bro/sis, there is no musalmann there is no hindu, and any way common sense dictates you shouldnt be such a racist! :wub:

bhul chuk maf :D

dal singh all your points are relevant i appluad you for atleast making an argument based on logic, but in my opinion hwoever flawed it may be i would say that even though khalistan would have problems like any other country i have enough faith in the followers of sikhi that we wouldnt be as bad as india is! as for punjabiblaze dude u say u beat up some people for calling hindus terrorists yet you call a sant a "murderer" even if you dnt have any respect for him surely you would kno that this would offend people? in civilised times thats the last 50 years or so no1 has really faced a genocide like the sikhs did only 30 yrs ago, the fact tht it is less then a generation away makes the hurt even more, blacks i would say feel tht the govt. is helping them, the laws are changing and so are peoples attitudes can u name a piece of legislation which has been changed to help the sikhs?

p.s i cnt believe your blase attitude to rape!

bhul chuk maf :wub:

I don't think you read all my posts.

1. I have mad respect for what Sant Jarnail Singh was trying to do.

2. I said that what the government did was a horrible travesty and they deserved to be punished

3. The old police men and government that was responsible is no longer in charge.

4. Sikhs are in the main positions in the Indian Government

I am kind of sick of re posting everything I already said.

ps. Sikhs have no current problems that the national government can help. The people that need to help us is our own corrupt leaders in punjab. Only they can help education and whatnot.

i did read all your posts, i kno you have respect for him but then you also call him a murderer surely a sign of disrespect wouldnt you say?! the govt. have not been punished for there acts and a lot of people in charge when 1984 happened frm tytler to kps gill are still around to say sikhs hold the top positions is grossly over judging what power they have! lol sikhs have no problem with the water issues which we are nt in charge of? the education issues btw education minister =hindu, the police issues? i think ure the 1 being misled veer ji!

bhul chuk maf :D

I don't know if it really was said, but I do know that Guru Nanak didn't mean to create a new religion, only to reform Islam and Hinduism.

Maybe Guru Nanak only used those names as a referance to something else. Or maybe so it can appeal to Hindus...which most of our ancestors probably were...or muslim.

fateh

punjabiblaze you seem really confused try sikhitothemax for a good translation of bani! the stuff your saying is usually what u find the hut mslim extremists saying as the try to convert sikh/hinu girls! as for guru ji trying to appeal to the hindus i think thats been proven disastrously wrong like the rest of your post!

bhul chuk maf :wub:

its a valid question, sure theres better things to focus on then this, but ifyour going to comment you might as well comment positively, singh/kaur/sighni/khalsi/khalsa its all guuuudddd :wub:

bhul chuk maf

dal singh all your points are relevant i appluad you for atleast making an argument based on logic, but in my opinion hwoever flawed it may be i would say that even though khalistan would have problems like any other country i have enough faith in the followers of sikhi that we wouldnt be as bad as india is! as for punjabiblaze dude u say u beat up some people for calling hindus terrorists yet you call a sant a "murderer" even if you dnt have any respect for him surely you would kno that this would offend people? in civilised times thats the last 50 years or so no1 has really faced a genocide like the sikhs did only 30 yrs ago, the fact tht it is less then a generation away makes the hurt even more, blacks i would say feel tht the govt. is helping them, the laws are changing and so are peoples attitudes can u name a piece of legislation which has been changed to help the sikhs?

p.s i cnt believe your blase attitude to rape!

bhul chuk maf :wub:

any idea on the coaches...if so will the times/contact details be put up here?!

veer ji i believe there is discrimination if you have family in punjab u kno even with a gud degree it is hard for any sikh to get a decent job! i have also been to punjab a few times in the past few yrs, and to say we face no discrimination when our brothers and sisters are treated like 2nd class citizens people are still being tortured etc just a few days ago mr khalra the sikh human rights activists who protested normally was killed in a fake encounter by the "butcher of punjab" do not be naiive enough to believe these things dnt happen! they are even clearly stated by the human rights organisation etc!

what power do we have that our rivers are running dry, that our education system is so bad, that the influx of drugs is not even being hindered! please do some research veer ji before coming up with a baseless argument!

p.s people shouldnt be rude to each other we are all here to learn!

bhul chuk maf :wub:

non sikhs wouldnt be kicked out obviously khalistanis arent naive enought to believe khalistan wudnt have any problems but compared to india it would seem like a bliss i for 1 will be in london for the rally :wub: just a little point the uk *EDITED* has no job except heading the khalistan movement in the uk but has *EDITED* NOT IMPRESSED :wub:

bhul chuk maf people :D

Mod Edit: Post only when you have strong facts.

anyone can perform seva, who are we to stop people from doing seva! next its going to be only people with a certain type of dastaar can do this seva! do u actually believe guru ji said hey "non amritdharis you can only do joorian da seva" ridiculous :wub:

bhul chuk maf people :D

fateh

well said hardeep, some things are not in your control as has been said before, be thankful to an extent that your loved one are getting closer to the waheguru and leaving kaljug :wub: im sure we will all do ardaas for u 2 :D

AMAZING INTERVIEW!

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kulpreet singhs "rant" pretty damn amazing! well nice and informative! as for narinder singh keep it up veer ji :wub:

bhul chuk maf peepz :D

fateh in reply to super_singhni and the guest, whove said we sdhould look @ our past to learn, i agree with you but my point is that we shouldnt let the past mistakes hold us back frm what is right, guru ji has said that we should wear a dastaar once we have taken amrit, im sure people have done bad things and then taken there dastaar off but dwelling on it does not help! i agree with the comment above about the kara,kirpan being the same as the dastaar!

bhul chuk maf peepz :wub:

fateh

"Also I don't know if this is going to sound offensive but I thought a "ideal" couple would be more like have the husband who goes about with the chodhar, you know he calls the shots"

watch the feminist jump on your case nw lol! i think your right to an extent the community wud like to think only men make the decisions but it should be a compromise by the man and woman not just 1 persons say! as for the age gap negligable to be honest, who says hw old you have to be? or hw old your wife has to be? if you want to marry someone 20 yrs older go right ahead! lol u also say the man needs to be older for his children to be scared of him that must be a joke right, so u wudnt be scared of ure dad if your mum was older LOL

bhul chuk maf peepz :wub:

fateh

i think what veer ji is trying to say is that once you have decided to take amrit, that the decision should also coincide with the decision to wear a dastaar as guru ji has told us! we are not judging anyone but if you do decide to take amrit surely you would have thought about the age old patka vs dastaar question. also id like to stress malkit singhs point about gurdwara needing to step up there game, dastaar tying classes whatnot!

bhul chuk maf peepz! :wub:

edit(by me): its not unacceptable as veer ji said above, because its everyones choice but on another point as super_singhni said above people have taken it off in the past, it does nothing to dwell on peoples past mistakes we should look forward and encourage people to go towards gurus word, dwelling on scenarios where people have messed up is not a correct reason to tell people to nt do the gurus bidding!