agiaan andhhaeraa

ALL I HAVE TO SAY IT DHINDRINWALE GOT SERVED!

DHINDRIANWALE RESPONSE TO BABU MAAN WAS SO AGGRESIVE, IT REALLY DOES SHOW WHAT KIND OF BITTER MAN HE IS CALLING BABU MAAN "RODA PODA" AND SAYING HE HAS NO RIGHT TO PREACH SIKHI. AND WHO GAVE YOU THIS RIGHT DHINDRIAWALA? DHINDRINWALE WHAT DO YOU DO SIT ON STAGE AND GET FAT OFF SANGATS MONEY?!

AND YES I HAVE BEEN TO HIS DIWANS AND HE IS JUST AFTER POPULARITY AND THATS IT.

Instead of hiding behind a screen name and writing in capitals, why dont you tell us who you are? or do you not have the guts? or are you going to come out with a fake name? Can you take responsibilty for the crap you have written?

ALL I HAVE TO SAY IT DHINDRINWALE GOT SERVED!

DHINDRIANWALE RESPONSE TO BABU MAAN WAS SO AGGRESIVE, IT REALLY DOES SHOW WHAT KIND OF BITTER MAN HE IS CALLING BABU MAAN "RODA PODA" AND SAYING HE HAS NO RIGHT TO PREACH SIKHI. AND WHO GAVE YOU THIS RIGHT DHINDRIAWALA? DHINDRINWALE WHAT DO YOU DO SIT ON STAGE AND GET FAT OFF SANGATS MONEY?!

AND YES I HAVE BEEN TO HIS DIWANS AND HE IS JUST AFTER POPULARITY AND THATS IT. im not a fan of babu maan and nor do i listen to his music but i would never disrespect him for being mona like dhindrinwale did when he had a tantrum he should just have another birthday party to make himself feel good and call all his chelay to give him gifts so he can stroke his mucha and pat women on the head.

Instead of hiding behind a screen name and writing in capitals, why dont you tell us who you are? or do you not have the guts? or are you going to come out with a fake name? Can you take responsibilty for the crap you have written?

Bhenji, i have replied in blue lol

vaise veerji, I don't think he did lah pat. he talked about lal batiyan being misused, he talked about bibiyan putting takhti of rub in normal people's neck. I agree with him there. We ourselves are so lowly that person who talks little bit about Guru Sahib, asin os bande nu hee rub samajh lainde aan. Don't we??

Exactly, even someone says Vaheguru to you once, we should see and treat that person as God, because it is only when you stop differientiating between Vaheguru and his Kudrat, can one truly merge with the One.

eyk idRsit sB sm kir jwxY ndrI AwvY sBu bRhmu psreIAw ]7]

eaek dhrisatt sabh sam kar jaanai nadharee aavai sabh breham pasareeaa ||7||

With a single, impartial eye, look upon all alike, and see God pervading all. ||7||

We are all on the path of sikhi, some have just started, some are somewhat more progressed than us, and some has just saw the path to sikhi from distance yet, and havn't yet travelled. So thats all the difference. None of us have reached to rabbta yet, not even dhandrivala, if he ever claims to be or his followers claim him to be.

How on earth can you comment on the avastha of Dhadrianwale?? He himself who has become one with Satcha Patsha will never claim this, the sangat however does recognise his avastha is that one of atleast a Sant, but who knows what else this avatar has kept gupt? Only Mahraaj knows or someone of a higher avastha then the being in question, and if we are futunate in after life, you too will know the secret of a God concious being.

Rabbta nu pahunch ke banda, dooje bandiya nu vee banda samajhda te aap Guru nanak vaang apne aap nu nimana, dassan da daas, sangat de pairan dee dhooR samajhda, naa ke lal bati laa ke chhurar kar ke langh janda. Rabbata nu pahunch ke banda eh nahi kahinda ke chhuj taan bole chhalNi vee bole. Rabbta nu pahunch ke banda, stage te baith ke sirf rub jee de guN gaunda, naa ke chhuj chalNiyan nu answer karda.

If you ask me, naa taan babbu mann dudh dhota hai, and na dhandriyaan vala.

Could you please write this in english, as i am having trouble interpreting what your trying to say? Thank you.

He does run deewan and does sikhi parchar, and encourages people to take amrit, thats all well n good.

It is more than just good, and unless babu mann or any of us internet warriors can equate to this, we have no right to critisize!

I am glad to see people walking towards his deewans rather than babbu mann's concert. I am glad they play his deewan on CD's in cars, homes rather than playing babbu maan's filthy songs.

The problem I have with him when people rub nu bhul ke ohdee sewa vich lag jande hun. I know gurbani says Gursikhan dee dhoor de, hum papi vee gat payenge. But Gursikhs also should know not to misuse the sangat's sentiments. Gursikhs shouls guide the sangat that Gareeb da moonh guru dee golak hai, naa ke Gursikh dee apnee esho araam. Gursikh should discourage sangat to donate cars and he should simply deny accepting them. Gursikh should himself live and guide sangat to live simple life.

Dhadrianwale, has NEVER asked for any money or cars etc! If someone buys you a expensive gift out of pyaar would you say no to them knowing that got it with soo much pyaar? Dhadrianwale will never say no to the sangat, just as Guru Gobind Singh Ji Mahraaj listened to the singhs when they asked him to leave in the battle of Chamkaur. Any concern is resolved if we listen to the sangat, and not polititions or autocratic selected jathedars. If you hate it so much that sangat finds it worth while to donate seva to them then maybe you should be the one doing the parchaar; Sant Ji organise camps, for youth with drug problems, conducts anand karaj's of those who cannot afford to get their daughters married, and much much more.

I am in 100% in favour of the Gursikh who lives the word of Guru. If anyone don't, then its just a pakhand, dhakonslebaji aa sari. There are gursikhs like Giani Thakur Singh jee, Hari Singh Randawa and others. Do they move around in lal bati cars too? Do they also, have kalgiyan on their heads and then later saying that sangat ne diti. Je sangat ne diti aa, taan sangat nu sidhe rahe paayo, naa ke bholi bhali sangat de magar aap lag jaao.

This has already been explained in the divaan, and needless to say but it is not wise to compare Gurmukhs, since the seva and duty Mahraaj gives individuals may be different.

Anyways, I didn't want to slander anyone. But shayad kar dita hai, wahguru jee muaf karn.

Well you just have slandared a saint, and remember this is the biggest sin of sins.

sMq kY dUKin miq hoie mlIn ]

sa(n)th kai dhookhan math hoe maleen ||

Slandering the Saints, the intellect is polluted.

I removed the SikhAwareness.com link filter off. It should be working from now on.

Thank you

Lol, personal quarrels do not equate to the SA 'admin' team inciting hatred! Thats the silliest thing I have ever heard. Whilst some members of the forum certainly do laugh at the puritan mindest of some Sikh Sangat members (and even admin), the SA admin have never bad mouthed this forum, on the contrary, they always make a specific point that they comments are not a reflection on the forum...

Banning the mention of what is probably the most eye opening/intellignet Sikh forum on the net is a disastrous move in terms of the professionalism and lack of ekta mindset of Sikh Sangat Forum Admin.

That N30 has been banned from here due to whatever reason, is no reflection on his N30s neutral and tolerant attitude towards everyone else including those very people that banned him from here..

Anyway, I digress.

I couldn't agree more,

Problem is, is there anything we can do?

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^^ Vaheguruoo!

Manchester tomorow!!

^^ yep attend both! Panthic ekta rules!!

Its cancelled for today but will be rearanged for another day!!!

BUMP, please watch!

Cant believe it two days to go and the Tour begins!

Any recordings?!

I think its unfair to label my understandng as kala afghana type. Im questioning contradicting stories that people make up about Baba Ji. For example they say Baba Ji did not eat sleep, yet they say Baba Ji said people should offer food to Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji. Guru Sahib resides in Sach Khand where there is no need for food or sleep, why offer food then? ALso, why does Guru Ji need food if Baba Ji didnt? These are very contradicting statements/stories that should be questioned with reason. God gave us reason to prevent people from fooling us. There is a time to use reason, and in these cases it is important to use.

Everytime your argument is defeated, you start comparing Guru Pyare with the Guru's. This is a ridiculous comparison to say in the LEAST. Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji is NOT subject to food and sleep, but we offer food etc, in terms of sharda and respect. The Gurus were NOT subject to food or sleep. Guru Nanak Dev Ji never complained of hunger during their travel, although Bhai Mardana did (this was for purpose though). Here, comes the shocking bit for you - Saints are NOT subject to food or sleep. Yes, their bodies may need food or sleep, but they themselves do NOT need it.

In the recording of sulemans ghost, suleman states that sant isher singh jee rara sahib, baba nand singh jee and baba attar singh jee were the same jyot as guru nanak dev jee - aka brahmgyanis - there jyot had/is emersed with that of vaheguru, therefore this topic should be cleared up.

Exactly Guru Sahib resides in his humble servants. Yes, well done for discovering this. Thus this does not mean he choses one particular individual and comes as an avtar. Yes He can do, Vaheguru Ji choose ten Guru Avtaars, who are you to decide his order? These statements are blasphemy. Your statements are very missionary style indeed. Guru Sahib resides in his humble saints regardless of their particular group ( Rara Sahib, Nanaksar, AKJ) I doubt that Bhai Randhir Singh Ji , Baba ISher Singh Ji ( Rara), or Baba Nand Singh Ji distinguish any differerence among themselves. Actually, Bhai Sahib Randhir Singh Ji was not the same. They only see and know Waaheguru. Correct. They have no indvidual personality. Er, yes they do. Its quite disrespectful to give these Gurumukhs a personality that is seperate from Guru Ji. It is quite disrepectful the lack of respect you show to those Sants, whom Mahraaj says we should do utmost satkaar of. Therefore, I dont think we should be making distinctions between any of these saints. Therefore, i think you should get a life.

Veer ji, you say you have no association to a particular group or agenda but it doesnt take a genius to figure out you do. On other forums your are trying to convince sangat that keski is a kakkar, then, you on here you come on trying to belittle the Kamai of others. Most people dont have time for these silly debates, lets grow up a bit shall we please.

VJKK VJKF.

If possible, can some one please expand on what I have bolded in the above statement.

Jug Jug Satgur Dhereah avtaara. The word avtaar is composed of two words, av(downwards) and taar(passage) refers to the descent of God in his transcendental form into this mundane world. The supreme Lord takes avtaar in every Juga.The reason for the Lord to take avtaar is clearly has beeb clearly stated - Jab Jab Bhereah Arisht Apara Tab Tab Dheh Tharat Avtaara. Whenever spirituality begins to decline, the Lord himself takes avtaar in the world to save mankind. Param Purakh Paavan Sadah Aaph Pargat Ho Aae, Aaph Pargat Ho Aae Din Racaha Keah Karan.

Thank you for your reply. I do understand the concept of Avtaars.

I also recognise the existence and need for Mahapurkh Sants & Brahmgianis and that Guru Ji says that they should be given the utmost respect.

What I'm confused about is that, if I'm not mistaken, it has been stated that Baba Nand Singh ji is an avtaar of Guru Ji.

Is this correct?

I didn't know that our Gurus could transcend into avtaars because Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji is the embodiment of Gurus and IS the Guru.

Slightly confused... help a brother out!

My pyara veer ji,

This is absolutly correct - Baba Ji was a Avtaar of Guru Nanak Dev Ji. There is no doubt about it. Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji is the Guru and yes, is an embodiment of the Gurus aswell, but Guru pyare still get the darshen of Guru Gobind Singh Ji seperatly from Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji dont they? Than than Sant Baba Nand Singh Ji was a Form - a Nit Avtaar of Guru Nanak Dev Ji, and there are also other types of Avtaar, a Guru Avtaar being the highest form, of Vaheguru Ji.

srb BUq Awip vrqwrw ]

sarab bhooth aap varathaaraa ||

In all forms, He Himself is pervading.

If possible, can some one please expand on what I have bolded in the above statement.

i was not referring to any members as ill Intentioned Brahmins. I am referring to people who have wrote books saying these things about Baba Ji. As many people like to make strories up about Baba Ji.Take the story on this thread which makes Baba ji look like Baba Amar Das Ji and makes Harnam SIngh look like Guru Angad Dev Ji. Using Sikh sakhis in such a modern way is very much wrong. In regards to sleep. A person can sleep and still think deeply about God. Sleep is needed for the material body to rest. There are numerous authentic and greatly accepted Sakhis by the panth which illustrate Pehli Paatshah slept. For example, when Guru Ji was sleeping and resting in the fields on a hot day a snake came behind him and covered his head from the Sun. Similarily when Guru Ji was sleeping in Mecca, Jivan came up to him and kicked Guru Sahib. Lets not try to make up false stories about Baba Nand Singh which try make him greater then Guru Ji. Im sure Baba Ji does not approve of these things. The Gurmantar is WaaheGuru not WaaheSant.

These happenings were TRUE, regardless of your PROOFLESS accusations. It does not necessarily mean they were as great or greater than Guru Ji, please lets not be so narrow-minded. Doing shanker and nindhia will not get anyone anywere, instead we should humble ourselves in an attempt to understand rather then question blindly. Please stop doing nindia and say that the stories were false, as there were countless witnesses there at the time, as proof. No one is saying Gurmantar is Wahesant other then YOU who has cooked up another baseless accusation.

Baba Ji was an Avtar of Guru Ji, so if i were you i would think very carefully about the consequences of writing rubbish about them on a public forum.

If you cannot appreciaty the true beauty of a Mahapurak without doing shankar on every aspect of their jeevan, then i suggest you do some research,

VJKK VJKF

I was a witness to the mighty spiritual force at work, in the mammoth congregations of Baba Nand Singh Ji Maharaj which embraced all creation including animal life, in granting redemption. Having witnessed great spiritual wonders and miracles with my own eyes in the holy presence of Babaji, I feel amazed at the views of some sceptics who doubt the veracity and authenticity of these miracles and spiritual wonders in the context of our Supreme Lord Guru Nanak in His earthly life span.

Vahegurooo!

Thank you for taking the time out to post Nehmat ji, and please keeping doing so, much appreciated.

^^ I smell erika , what the matter veer ji is that why you decided to 'ruin' this thread?

Does it upset you that so many people get influnced by Baba ji's jeevan?

So now your looking at any way to be little their legacy?

What is false and what is true Mahraaj knows all, so thanks for trying to tell us what is and what isnt.

koeI sjxu sMqu imlY vfBwgI mY hir pRBu ipAwrw dsY jIau ]1]

koee sajan sa(n)th milai vaddabhaagee mai har prabh piaaraa dhasai jeeo ||1||

If only I could have the good fortune to meet some friendly Saint; he might show me the Way to my Beloved Lord God. ||1||

Furthermore Baba Ji did sleep. Likes not make him out to be more than human. He is one of the great many saints belonging to Guru Ji at the same time he was human. A human being with a human body needs time to rest. Personally I do not think Baba Ji would want people to worship him, and make up fairy tales about him.

Veer ji, it is well known that Baba Ji did not 'sleep', nor did Brahmgyani, Sant Jarnail Singh Ji Bhindranwale - if you listen to Giani Thakur singh ji's katha you can get more giaan on this issue. Personally, dass has had the darshan of Akhaie Prem Kaie Aasuo Saie Tar flowing from a enlightened soul while 'sleeping'. It is true that we - as humans need to sleep and eat but true Brahmgyanis are above such necessities.

Veer ji you call other members, 'ill intentioned Brahmins'. It is not just to attack any member simply because you do not understand their view or agree with them.

You are very clever in your wording - you say Baba jis was a true Bramhgyani and at the same time you question them, but remember -

bhuqu isAwxp Brmu n jwey ]

bahuth siaanap bharam n jaaeae ||

Even great cleverness does not dispel doubt.

Sukhdeep Singhh and who ever else it may concern:

Since alot of people like myself do not have much giaan about this Pooran Brahmgyani, i thought this thread could be used for the sangat to come and share any information they can find about Nanaksar and Sant Baba Nand Singh Ji. If something is to be discussed, please can you start a new thread for it!

Which part in the bold did you have trouble understanding?

Kindly, benti can you remove your posts and start a new thread, instead of ruining this one.

Or can admin sepearate it? Many thanks!

VJKK VJKF.

Lol ok that makes alot more sense now and i couldn't agree more with everything you've written!

If there were more open-minded Gurmukhs like yourself, then maybe we could achieve a thing such as Panthic -Unity.

Utmost Respect should be shown to Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji

One instance of the utmost devotion and respect shown by Baba Ji can be seen when in the winter season of 1938, Baba Ji visited the town of Baghanwala, where the thaath could not be constructed immediatly. Baba Ji said that they have not come there to eat food, but to have the Grace and the Sight of Divine Guru, and if Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji is not brought here by tomorrow, he shall go elsewhere.

On this, the whole town came to the spot and worked for a day and a night. The Thaath was constructed. Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji was brought by S. Sukhs Singh Manglani. After the kirtan of the morning Shabad, Asa Di // had finished, Baba Ji submitted to the Guru, "O True King! I am highly thankful to you. Blessed are the paths, on which you have travelled. Kindly excuse me for the trouble that you have taken. I beg your pardon".

Baba Ji then took off his long dastaar, keeping the small one tied on the head. He first wiped the feet of Bhai Sukha Singh with it and then, spreading it on the ground, requested Bhai Sahib to walk on it after carrying Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji on his head. He compiled with this direction. Thus, the great saint Baba Nand Singh Ji used to love Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji.

Nanaksar Thaath Gudwaras

The word Thaath means the built up area, where religious gatherings are held in the presence of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Je. There are more than 160 thaaths around today .

Nanaksar and Sant Baba Nand Singh Jee

Located in Keleran Jagraon in Punjab, is the place where great rishis and munis lived during the golden age (Satyajug).It was a great tirth during the earlier ages of Satyajug, Dwaparjug and Tretehjug,where the seekers of truth would go for enlightment. It is believed that the jungles, that once surrounded Nanaksar was the very place where Bhagat Dhru had the vision of the supreme Lord.

When Kalyug began on 18 February 3102 BC the tirth slowly began to loss its importance, as the people of Kalyug became materialistic and lost interest in spiritual life. When the supreme Lord came as Purantavavtar Satguru Nanak Dev Ji Maharaj he visited this place and predicted that in coming times,he will take Avatar as Baba Nand Singh and will bring this great tirth into light, for the benefit of Mankind. Thus this place was brought into light by Brahm Giani , the Lord himself in the form of Dhan Baba Nand Singh.

Since alot of people like myself do not have much giaan about this Pooran Brahmgyani, i thought this thread could be used for the sangat to come and share any information they can find about Nanaksar and Sant Baba Nand Singh Ji. If something is to be discussed, please can you start a new thread for it!