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Can these lectures be recorded and shared on youtube or something please??

It might be wise to have 84 talks held across england in lead up to this rally. Especially as its a common site to see people attending just to go london which is very heart breaking as so many of our sisters, brothers, sisters, fathers and mothers where tortured and killed but some of us still don't know what happened in 84 and that its still happening today in 2012!

The talks would really help. There was a 84 talk/video showing few weeks ago at guru har rai gurdwra west bromwich and the effect of it was great; youngsters who would normally walk out due to not understanding actually stayed and listened to everything&understood what was said because basic everyday punjabi was used.

Maybe this thread should be used to provide sangat with video links to documentaries available etc.

RebelSingh have you ever had close contact or lived with someone be it family or parent who's the Mukh sevadar?.I take it from your post you haven't. Seriously if the seva is taken up correctly with sangat as main focus and guru mahrajiz orders as a key point the seva takes up 99.99% of your time. Its such a big responsibility that you don't get to attend even your child's birthday, graduation etc because gurdwara sahib has to come first so your always there doing seva/attending meetings. Now your telling someone in there mid 20s-under 45 could make such a big commitment? I doubt it very much. As of your point of them setting the community back; I guess you haven't looked at the bigger picture. Your comment might apply to your area but I know that whilst the person iv used as a example of a mukh sevadar was head of committee gurdwara sahib started up so many new classes/activities for the youth. For example last year 300+ 8-16 year olds attended the annual sikh camp and over 100+ members of sangat have attended santhiya classes, most of whom are youth. As for "for their own pockets", I don't know where you get this idea from but I know the few gurdwara sahibs I attend often that the cost/payments made by gurdwara sahib for bills etc are read out to sangat. Point not all gurdwara sahibs pay committee members, actually I might be bit naïve saying this but I don't know of any gurdwara committee where members get paid as its purely seva.

As said above its due to the older generation but sadly it might continue as our folks probably want their children (our generation) to marry into caste to so it'll be our duties as parents (whenever that time by be) to not discriminate against caste when it comes to our children getting married.

Guru pyareo does anyone have the 84 video that was shown last night at gurdwara sahib? If so could it be downloaded onto youtube? Would really appreciate it as missed the start and also would be a amazing video for all who missed to watch.

These videos should be burnt onto dvd&given out to youth. An ideal situation would be for these to be given out at this coming year's summer camps.

Vaheguru so sad. Was this the instant mentioned in express&star of a person falling off the m5 (I think) bridge?

Don't know if this has been mentioned (mafi for not reading the full thread). But a reason for these situations could be down to the quality of time some of our youth get with their parents. If parents aren't busy working all the hours in the world then their possibly spending time in front of starplus/zeetv. As a minimum our mothers should be spending proper time with their daughters so the daughter feels like she does belong to the family and not be told so much that one day shell leave to go to her in laws. Yes we all know that the love/time our brothers get from parents should also be given to our sisters. This also comes down to who our friendship groups are. Maybe if some of our younger singhnees weren't so stuck up/ arrogant our "non-religious" sister would become friends with them&influence our non religious sisters in a positive light by helping them step onto the beautiful path of sikhi.

People are always going to say "so and so" has so much money because to your punjabi/desi society money matters. If your a girl/boy from a "wealthy" family everyone wants their son/daughter to marry you due to your familys money. I personally wouldn't care about my partners financial state as I believe money doesn't buy happiness and those without thousands/millions of pounds are usually more happy within their family.

Singh how do you know nothing special has happened? The power of paat is something we can't describe especially as we don't know how much our daily nitem changes our daily routines/happenings.

Your post hits out a big thing which is this: singh je remember that Gurbani tells us Sukh and Dukh are one. Put it this way: our parents wouldn't want to see us "suffer" same way Guru Mahraji doesn't want to see us "suffer" hence why in reality we don't suffer pain etc. Instead its our minds playing games with us. Keep in mind always that sukh and dukh is one; happiness and sorrow are one. A very dull example is death. Look at it this way when someone dies we generally feel upset/pain due to loss of a friend/someone. But really death is just another ceremony we must go through and (this bit is a personal belief) those who die are been saved by Vaheguru je himself from the dirt this world is fast becoming. Whereas we are still getting burnt in fire day and night. Also never forget the power of Gurbani. We don't know ourselves but the paat we do does have a great impact on us. For example look at how many ardaasa and chapuai sahib paats the panth did for the chalidkala of the panth during bhai balwant singh ji's fansi protests etc. Every single ardas every single chapuai sahib paat strengthened the panth and continues to do so. Sorry if I have said anything wrong guru pyareo. Akaaaal

Bit off topic but is the program that was announced at guru har rai gurdwara during vasakhi smagam still happening this saturday 7-9pm? Just wondering as nothings been said since and think it was a linked 84 program.

Amazing video does anyone have bhai sahibs contact? It would be great if bhai sahib could be invited to the kids camps coming up this year as camp season is fast approaching. Please pm me or reply here if you do. Or if anyone has any other inspiring singh/singhnees contacts who would/could be approached to attend kids camps this year.

Personally I never used to agree with arrange marriage but as I have matured and seen arrange marriages work successfully I'd say when time comes I'd consider a arrange marriage. My personal view is that Mahraji knows from the day your born of/if your going to marry. Therefore that person will marry you regardless if its arrange or "love". I believe that when it comes to marriage weather its love or arrange we should ask Guru Granth Sahib Je Mahraji if we should go ahead with the reshtha before we take next step and eventually marry the person. I don't believe you can love your "partner" before marriage but believe once married the love between husband and wife developes as after anand karaj 2 souls become 1. As for meeting before marriage I think it should be very limited before marriage and a third person should be present/your parents (on both sides) should know where you two are meeting and what you are doing eg. Going for meal etc. These are just my views as a 21 year old amrithari. Akaal

Gupt101 your majority of your post seems like a joke if not all of it.

To the poster quoting about the "simran" method used by sant je in deevans and their maturity. If you don't like their emthod of simran then simply don't attend or listen to their deevans. As for their maturity least there bringing 100s of people into sikhi unlike most of us who just sit on facebook etc acting like internet warriors.

Singhnees can wear bana. I personally do :D its the best feeling ever :D

I don't see the point of this topic as Guru je gave us the Khalsa uniform for both singhs and singhnees.

:s what do you mean photoshopping?

How can you know someone through a photo? Or am mis-understanding something here? Also isn't honeymoon for AFTER the wedding? This topic is really confusing lol

Do your background research first and attend their deevans personally before judging anyone including sant baba ranjit singh dandrianwale. This thread should be closed as it will just lead to a debate between those who like sant je and those who don't so benthi to mods/admin please close this thread. Thank you

Only Five paaji your post smashes it :D sooo true..Rehat is rehat we can't change it

Apply niva cream to your ears (rub it into your ears every time just before you tie patka. Also you might want to try ironing just the front that covers your forehead&ears before you tie patka. I don't know why but it seems to help lol

Start spending your time doing paat and watching sikhi related videos/listening to kirtan/katha. Everytime you feel your starting to feel/think things you shouldn't start vaheguru jaap . See this as a test from Mahraji because that's what every obstacle in life is. Your 18 technically still a child (even though law says different) so enjoy been a child do things you know as you get older you won't be able to. Like go and take younger cousins/siblings out (if you have any) to play areas or something. It'll distract you and plus you'll be getting to spend quality time with family.

Correctly said no need for jewellery

Rehatnama Bhai Daya Singh Je tells us don't wear make-up or jewellery. I only have the english quotation where this is mentioned along with don't commit adultery.

Quotation: suramaadhik shi(n)gaar nehi(n) nehl(n) par tharunee sa(n)gi.

It could be that the parents themselves can't speak punjabi themselves let alone read&write punjabi because they've become so indulged in the english language. Its worrying that some families only speak english as its very important to be able to least speak&understand punjabi.