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VJKK VJKF
Dear all,
Thanks for your feedback. I have done a bit of Gatka (my friend used to learn and taught me a few techniques). He was unable to teach me any unarmed stuff - because he hadn't ben taught it. I didi then start gatka myself, for about 6 months, but in that time was never taught any empty hands stuff. We did alot of stick techniques and basic sparring. I think its ok, but there was no real depth to what was being taught. Sorry, but that is my honest opinion.
That is why I want to try Shastar Vidiya, I have been on the website and looked at the range of techniques, it does look very good. I have heard that ustad who teaches is very very good with weapons.
Sorry if I have offended anyone. Are there any people who go to the Birmingham akhara who could desribe a typical lesson for me i.e. what is taught etc
VJKK VJKF
like gurbar akaal said : All aspects are taught, from stand up striking, grappling, ground fighting, weapons, fighting against multiples etc Best to turn up and have a look yourself, class times and locations are on the website.
for example one week you may learn how to fight against 2 other opponents unarmed. then the enxt week you may learn how to disarm and counter weapons etc.
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Shaster Vidya Classes:
Location: Baba Sang Gurdwara Smethwick
Time: 6-8, Every Friday
Teacher: Manmeet 'Maan' Singh
Go down and have a look, it's free after all.
wait
the guy asked for shastar vidiya the real vidiya, not cussing down mr manmeet singh but he teachs gatka which isnt shastar vidiya no matter what anyone says!
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shut up! dont u dare leave this topic I NEED U GUYS! LOL
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i want that katar!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! soo nice
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yes little paaji
LOL dont call me little, my pugh is bigger then yours! LOL
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omg omg
shaheedi degh shahhedi degh
eh nawi hi cheez kad layi aa
so u mean that karah parshad di degh has no power in it?
sahibzade had shaeedi degh??? omg this is so ridiculous
did guru sahib also shuk shaeedi degh?
i dnt turst what ever ur references r from.
stop brainwashing people here.
bhai mati das bhai sati das bhai dayala jina nu enne taseehe dittey did they had shaeedi degh when they were arrested?
they sacrified their life for not being muslim for not eating all that <banned word filter activated> and guys saying that baba deep singh ji used to eat that. didnt baba deep singh ji have naam kamai to be strong enogh to fight?
and yea !!!bhai bachitaar singh had enough time to first shuk shaeedi degh and then worry abt the elephant who was destroying everything.
all these things u r saying can never be accepted in sikh panth. GURU SAHIB SAID NOTHING LIKE THAT.
WHY THERE WAS NO SHAHEEDI DEGH WHILE SELECTION OF PANJ PYARE ? WHY THERE WAS NO BAKRA IN BAATA?
OK U WILL SAY THERE WAS... THEN WHY NOT NOW IN AMRITSHACHARS NOW DAYS?
what do akj kno... ur just a modern man made jatha with sum f*cked up views
thats tru, akj's have distorted the nihang maryada.
p.s. this isnt jatha bashing.
I second that
i ''third'' that if i could use that in this contest :S
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just remember caveman makes the best topics oh yes
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VJKK VJKF
Dear Veerji,
I went to the akhara once, I didn't go back because of MR SV and the his following remarks:
1. I am sanatan - hindu sikh not a sikh!
2. I eat meat and drink alcohol - you need it to be a warrior!
3. Told all students to remove kara's before entering his class
4. Swore at local gatka teachers - calling them parts of the female anatomy
5. Sikhs are part of hinduism
6. he swears in his class - non stop
So now you tell me Veerji, the great Akali Baba Mohinder singh Ji - found only this TWAT to teach SV to? Nobody else in the whole world, no one but this twat? Why couldn't he have taught some gursikhs, who are not anti-panthic, or sponsored by the indian government?WHY?
That is the reason i didn't go back.
And never will - i state again, the puratan sikhs could use vidiya on the battlefield because they had the power of NAAM!
What has Mr SV got? -- -BAD BREATH!
VJKK VJKF
if you look back on my post history i said '' i shall stop posting stuff about niddar singh as i have spent to much time arguing over nonsense like this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
now before i say what my repone is...first of all if you didnt like what he said why didnt you speak out!? if he said ''I am sanatan - hindu sikh not a sikh'' then you say good for you. hes not going to hurt you if you say something about what hes said which you dont like, heard of freedom of speech? the class is not a dictatorship its not stalins rule, there is no censorship there hes not going to say what you can or cant say! so speak your mind!
this isnt relevant to this topic but as you insit i shall respond.
and LOL to ''MR SV'' his name isnt Lord Voldemort, he wont came after you or nothing bad will happen to you if you say his name lool.
1.soo because of his ''beliefs'' you stopped going? nice
2. who cares what he does, its not like he is tellign YOU to eat meat and drink? hes said chatka is fine as per nihang rehit it says chatka is fine but that doesnt mean I am going to eat meat, i have my views everyone else has their own, he did not force a piece of lamb down your throat? then whats wrong with his remark ''i eat meat'' my family eat meat it doesnt mean im going to eat it with them!
3. reason why people take of their kareh is because if you see most student have a kara which is big etc so it would be logical to take it off as you wouldn't want to hurt the person! you can wear a kara just tell your sparing partner you wish to wear it but if it is a big one its likely he wouldn't like that as he may get hit with it.
4. lol, you should have asked him why he is saying that or tell the gatka teachers what hes saying so they can deal with him.
5. like i said you should have asked him why he is saying that instead of keeping your mouth shut in class.
6.he swears in his class? everyone swears! ive heard many ''panthic'' people swear apparently gursikhs and i dont mean the F word i mea hardcore gala just disgusting!
hmm now to me ''he great Akali Baba Mohinder singh Ji'' that seems a bit sarcastic and i hope you arent being sarcastic! it was luck or fate as some may put it ''mr SV'' met him and learned the vidiya, i guess a gursikh should have met baba Mohinder singh at the mela...
and I would absolutely love to see you call him a twat in his face now that is a sight to see, seeing as you cant even say his name what is it too much fear saying his name? but you can call him a twat :lol:
show me proof hes sponsored by the indian government? im sponsored by the Kenyan government to infiltrate this country and spread my lies and propaganda
well im glad you wont go back again
ooooo soo the babeh could use the vidiya but niddar singh cant and he will crumble under the pressure? reminds me he crumbled under the pressure in the demonstration he had in Leciester when he showed many many people some techniques of the vidiya so you soo right my ''paji'' the vidiya woudlnt work in real life.
and as for bad breath all i can say is LOL, you sound soo perfect i bet you dont even have a blemish or better i bet your dhari is soo nice.
sorry if i sounded sarcastic at any point
regards
caveman
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Also what he teaches wil not work when put under an extreme adrenalised pressure test - you will simply get a log jam of techniques i.e. not knowing what to do.
Sorry, but these are my feelings.
soo i guess the bhujangis who used the vidiya, guess it never worked as they were in battle and under extreme pressure with swords arrows bullets coming from all directions :rolleyes: .
May I just say what you put in to the vidiya is what you get return, you attended the bham akara, but for how long? how long did you train at home? i dont think that long because if you trained properly then you would be good and it will work! but under extreme pressure it wont work
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i would like to let everyone know, i have my alevel exams next week!
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Caveman ji, this is indeed correct, only those who have ustaadgee ware these.
In reality even if we as people had these types of shastar, we wouldnt really know how to use them, give proper satkar to them and so on.
I've noticed most people have these things to show off, or missuse etc..
indeed, niddar singh told me that.
he also said he has taken a few off people as they wore them and only the ones who have mastered the vidiya can have these not some random singh. I agree most people would show off.
and about knowing how to use the kara, i know some techniques... :cool:
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u guys are soo out of it lol
and yeah im out of it as well lol
ive been brainfartning since yesterday lol
ohh and i coincidentally dressed nice today and because of that i had to get my stuff out of my backpack into my big purse like bag and then i had to wear sandals instead of my awesome chucks.... ewww im dressed too girly
caveman dresses to girly also, caveman has been reported to be wearing a blue dress currently with nice flowers on it
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Looks pretty useful for close up action.
Hey has anyone seen those cool karas with like three 'claws' on them?
yes, niddar singh nihang wears one...i believe it is called a jamdhar kara? maybe satpunga singh or someone can confirm the name of it... i was told by niddar singh only people who know most of shastar vidiya are allowed to wear that kind of kara, sort of like a rehit for that kara, maybe someone could confirm this..
from this picture you can see the karas with the claws as you said.. and look closely my favorite one is the one with a erm 2 inch point coming out soo nice
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How much was it going for?
I think it went for about 400, if i had money i would have brought that truly amazing!
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lol... dude tht show happens to be my all time favs..... haha steven is legendary.... i try to be like leo everyday..... hey man!! i think i am lost man.... hahaha... love his hip slang....
LOL, yeah its one of my favs also soo wicked, steven is wicked hes a badass everyone loves the badass. fez is your typical punjabi munda whos just come to a western country and doesnt know how to act!
LOl leo, ''hey man''
''man''
Eric is cool, if i act like him i would act even weirder lol
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ahah... didn knw tht u liked that 70s show too.... aight rock on...... so wheres the stash !! lol
i LOVEEEEEEEEEEEEE that 70s show! i soo love it! soo soo soo love it, the stash, yoo dude if you find any other photo huts let me know ( leo said that when hyde started working at the photo hut, leos forgotten where the other phto hut he owns are because hes soo stoned LOL)
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I saw this on ebay a while ago i was soo shocked the gora was selling this
this shastar was used in ''Vajar Mushti'' and if anyone doesnt know what that is its basically...
Vajra-mushti (Sanskrit वज्र मुश्टि) is an ancient Indian martial art and the name of a knuckleduster-like weapon used by its practitioners. It incorporates strikes, grabs and a study of pressure points (marman).[1] The word mushti literally means closed hand or fist. The vajra, a weapon with religious symbolism in both Hinduism and Buddhism, is translated variously as thunderbolt or diamond though the original meaning means something more along the lines of a needle. Vajra-musti could therefore be translated as "thunderbolt fist" or "diamond fist" or "grasping a vajra (thunderbolt)".
The striking aspects of vajra-musti are similar to karate, boxing and Chinese martial arts[2] while the grappling aspects are similar to jujutsu, modern pankration and vale tudo.[3]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vajra_Mushti
Taken from the shastar vidiya website :
‘’Ritualistic martial boxing and wrestling sport that was founded in Gujerat around the tenth century.
Two participants would drink hemp and put on a type of knuckle duster ‘Vajar’ on their right hand. Participants could only target face, chest and arms of opponent. Alongside striking ‘marman’, participants employed all manner of grappling techniques. The aim of this bloody contest was to incapacitate through striking or grappling an opponent and disarming him’’
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not much at all ...yea am in college for economics n minor in psych.......ur workin i assume?
nice econ! thats good my friend thats good,
NOO DO I LOOK OLD TO YOU!?!?!
i study lol my degree is in history well American studies and history, so its mainly American history i shall be learning in September
AHAHAHAHAHHAHA! ERIC FROM THAT 70S SHOW SAID TO DONNA ''WHY CUDDLE WHEN WE CAN DO IT'' AHAHA LEGENDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
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is she leoana lewis's sister or somethin?...... :rolleyes:
lol i was thinking they look very similar!
what are you up2 jas? no college or work? wait do you go college? what is your major in?
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also sorry for this but i was flicking through the music channels and i came across this song and i cant stop singing it, i thought id share ti with you fellow weirdos !
dont worry man ... am with u...am jus about to get a big pie lol...... dude ur dastaar is so like jassi sidhu style.... i always wondered how much it takes to tie into tht shape :6allow, jassi sidhu is not a true massai or a zulu warrior, my kind is the pure Kenyan breed. and it doesn't take me long to tie it, around 2mins and it comes out SOO nice
and im guessing you tie a ghol or a dumalla?
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ahhahahahaha its true..... cavemans face is all jokes!!
good looking you say??? wheres my dundaa?? ill fix that!! LOL
kenyan style pugh!!
i heard caveman is near extinction as he is the only caveman around, cavemans remains have been left in a garage.....this is all we found of caveman..
(the picture was taken a few months ago)
ughhhh.... ahahahahah caveman lol ahahah omg lolroflol!!!!
P.S. if anybody doesnt know what roflol means its quite simplle rollong on the floor laughing out loud
there u go lol
man i feel like Leo from that 70s show.. ive no idea wht am talkin about man..... he actually makes me laugh.... i like Leo... go Tommy Chong.... Chi and Chong all the way haha....AHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA!!!!
i bloody love leo!
kelso is a legend a famous line he said ''why cuddle when we can do it'' kelso is a legend!
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refrain from using bad language!
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Nanak Dev Singh is also a student of Niddar Singh
Niddar Singhs series of 10 books on Shastarvidiya will cover its history, traditionals, philosophy and strategies, it will not be a manual for Shastarvidiya as it would be impossible to learn. It is hard enough to learn it in person at the akhara, let alone trying to learn the thousands of variables that occur within a fight thru a book!
Baba Gyana Singhs book is very basic in terms of what is published, he even states that in there that it is a basic guide, however they provde the mantar from Sri Bhagauti Astotar, after which they state "Jo Iss Mantar Ka Jaap Karega, Uss Nu Sri Mahakaal Deh Khazaneh Vicho Aad Shakti Deh Penthreh Millegeh", which is a refference to the Chandi / Mahakaal penthras, There is also images of Baba Gyana Singh in the MahaVishnu Mudra.
Traditionally the highest levels of the vidiya are not noted down or written down to be passed on, it is the Gurdevs duty to pass the skills and techniques via personal teaching, and the students duty is to practice over and over and attain the vidiya through Kartiv practice.
Over the years you learn so much, to put that onto paper is a near impossible task. Those who truly wish to learn should seek out a competant teacher and put in the dedication to learn, in the same way how Raag, Santhiya and other skills cannot be learnt from books, the same way true Shastarvidiya cannot be learnt.
^^^what he said
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http://www.thesundayindian.com/07062009/st...99&pageno=1
''Picking up the fight to save Shastar Vidya
Whether you like it mild (Gatka) or strong (Shastar Vidya), Sikh martial arts will floor you, and how!
The indomitable spirits of the lion-hearted Sikhs are known to have instilled fear into the hearts of many a soul. Their power even helped the nation retain its cultural and religious identity. The secret to their martial prowess was Shastar Vidya. When the Britishers finally managed to constrain the Sikh army in 1849, they immediately did all they could to dilute the tenacity of Shastar Vidya. Yet, in the following years, the art that re-emerged was a watered down version that came to be called Gatka, but there were people who quietly continued to practice Shastar Vidya in its original form…
Hardeep Singh Khalsa belongs to the oldest Gatka group in Amritsar. He says, “Many Sikh communities have changed the style of practicing Gatka. It used to be Shastar Vidya – hand-to-hand combat, basically fight to kill – but it’s now changed. Shastar means weapons and vidya – knowledge; Gatka was what it was called by the British. They saw that the Sikhs were fearless warriors who used guerrilla tactics. They changed a lot of things in our Indian culture and they made changes in Shastar Vidya too because in the army they didn’t want their officials to face such great fighters going at them. They made it look like a game so people start enjoying it. But it is still practiced in the old tradition in the older groups till now.” So the style that one learns depends on where he/she learns Gatka from. The milder version that was allowed to flourish under the British Raj has more practitioners and is thus more popular too. Shastar Vidya practitioners in UK, taught by Nihang Niddar Singh, believe that it is a myth that Gatka and Shastar Vidya are similar. “Gatka and Shastar Vidya are worlds apart,” asserts Nihang Teja Singh who has been learning Shastar Vidya for the past 5-6 years.
Practicing Shastar Vidya helps a person stay fit, as well as fearless and tranquil from within. Back in time, women too were proficient at Shastar Vidya and several bibis are believed to have fought shoulder to shoulder with men in the battlefields. Says Teja Singh, “My main aim was to just keep up the heritage because I realise that the art is dying out… This art has been there for many thousand years and it’s our responsibility to keep it going, to keep it alive.”
Wondering how difficult would this art be to master? “The basics are very easy to pick up but as you advance up the levels of Paenthra (footwork), it becomes more difficult. Once you’ve learnt the basics of different styles, it’s a matter of refining it, and that takes many many years,” says Niddar Singh. “We mainly use tiger step, Lord Shiva step, Hanuman step, bull step, crane, monkey, etc. Just as in Kung-fu, there are different kinds of steps,” explains Hardeep Singh Khalsa.
The similarities in Shastar Vidya and other martial arts lead many to wonder if they have common origins. “In Punjab it is believed to be the grand daddy of all marital arts. The Chinese and the Japanese believe that in the 5th or 6th century, Bodhidharma took the Indian martial arts over to China and Japan. In most of Punjab, especially among the Nihangs, the traditional belief is that it is from Taxila where, after it was plundered around 6 AD by the Huns, the Buddhists took over the art. Instead of crediting Bodhidharma the individual, there is a word ‘Bodhidharm’ in Punjab that translates into ‘Buddhist faith’.” While many proponents of the art also attribute its origins to Sikh gurus, Niddar Singh has a theory which he has developed after extensive research, “The art can be traced back to Shiva. From Shiva it came to the Pashupatis (master of animals, the cavemen) then to Kapalikas, then to Taxila where Kshatriyas trained in it, and from them to Yogis and Sikhs. Sikhs are just the latest custodians of this art.”
Niddar Singh recently demonstrated Shastar Vidya to masters of martial arts from China and Japan. “We showed the highest techniques, the Mahakal and Shiva Paenthra. The Chinese and Japanese from Jujitsu schools and Katori Shinto identified in the techniques, secret techniques that they themselves don’t teach anybody unless they’ve been with them for 40 odd years!”
“If the Chinese, Japanese and Europeans can appreciate the quality of our classical arts, there should be no reason why Indians can’t,” says Niddar Singh. The Sikhs speak of the exploits of their ancestors with a lot of pride. Shastar Vidya was at the heart of their power. It is up to our generation now to ensure that this ancient art form does not join the lost and the forgotten…
Anu Gulmohar ''
The real question is - being able to discriminate correctly - between Yudh Vidya and Khel (sport).gatka is real yudh vidiya, and shastar vidiya is a khel
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LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL ''now i am one of the most popular girls in ny'' that is not a good thing! a girl bring popular can only mean one thing to me....im sorry if this is very wrong but bruv reading that line makes you sound like a who*e.
''i have friends that stand by me no matter what and who i can chill with whenever i want..'' do you think so? are you sure that they would take a bullet for you? i doubt it, friends arent there for long! only Mahakaal is!
once you give your head to maharaj you cant take it back!
think about it this way, your going out once a week having fun yeah its just short term fun, your friends your looks, your lifestyle wont be the same for ever!
just my ''two cents''