mandeep99

Brings up many issues in the community

But the community needs to come together and find solutions. Lack of sikh knowledge amongst sikh is a huge issue thats not being dealt with.

bs when it comes to boxing the beard isn't an issue, that one singh boxer already changed the rules for that. To say sports gets in the way of school is <admin-profanity filter activated> you can do sports and school at the same time, so many athletes are educated and u can use sports to get college scholorships, to go to the nba or nfl you have to go through college football and baskitball first. nba Thats another benifit of sports it helps the kid score a scholorship into college and uni. Playing sports helps kids develop skills in other areas of life which will help them. Sports teaches goal setting time management team work leadership skills.

Here's a sikh going to the NHL and honour role at school

http://www.bchockey.com/story.aspx?c=8&id=96

BY ANDREW CHONG

Burnaby Winter Club forward Kevin Sundher is the winner of the 2007 Minor Hockey Player Achievement Award.

Every year, Hockey Now and the B.C. Hockey Hall of Fame honour a B.C. Amateur Hockey Association player who shows exceptional sportsmanship, leadership, hockey skill, and community involvement.

The 15-year-old is too young to drive but he's already doing interviews, meeting with agents, and signing autographs.

"It's a pretty weird feeling, all these little kids coming up to you and asking for your autograph, but I could get used to it," he joked. "To tell you the truth, there were a couple guys in my grade that came up to me and were like, 'can I have your autograph?' They want to sell it and make some money."

Sundher has an exceptional list of hockey credentials and has been on a winning team basically every year he's been at the Burnaby Winter Club.

The Surrey-native's most recent accomplishments include captaining the 2007 BWC Bantam AAA team to a Western Canadian championship, being named the MVP in the gold medal game, and winning the award for the tourney's top forward.

In 66 games this season, Sundher had 77 goals and 173 points—more than 2.6 points per game.

Perhaps his most gamebreaking moment came in the third period of the Western Canadian championship final where he had two goals and an assist in one shift to carry his team to a comeback victory.

"It was actually funny. I was sitting on the bench and they had just scored to make it 3-2 and my dad was up in the stands and he was pacing back and forth and he was scared and I just laughed for a second. I could change the way so many people feel. It was weird. It was weird."

The 5-11, 170 pounder was selected seventh overall by the Chilliwack Bruins in this year's WHL Bantam Draft.

Many rumblings had Sundher going as high as number one, but Sundher had made his intentions clear that he wanted to stay close to home, and that only a select few teams would fit his plans.

Chilliwack head coach Jim Hiller was ecstatic to make Sundher a Bruin, especially since Hiller thought the centreman would be taken in the top three.

"[Hiller's] a guy who's watched hockey for years and he knows his talent," said Sundher. "To be ranked as high as I was was unbelievable, let alone ranked 1, 2, or 3. There's so many good players in that top ten of the first ten that I could've ranked anywhere. But I was pretty excited when I heard [what Hiller thought of me], that I could be that kind of a player, be a 1, 2, 3 overall player – a franchise player, basically."

Off the ice, Sundher has achieved excellent academic standing. Despite being a grade ahead of where he should be because he skipped Grade 3, Sundher has been on the honour roll every year and just finished Grade 10 with 'A' and 'B' grades at Fraser Heights Secondary in Surrey.

In the community, Sundher has volunteered at Surrey-Tynehead MLA Dave Hayer's office for the federal election and hopes to become a junior Liberal next year. He has also served meals at his Sikh temple, collected used clothing for Big Brothers and the Cancer Society, and helped teach martial arts to young students.

Despite all the praise and accolades Sundher receives from coaches, parents, teachers, and friends, he still gets ribbed about a few things.

"I get a hard time being a Leafs fan. Everyone hates the Leafs," he said. "My dream is to be wearing a Toronto Maple Leafs jersey and hopefully be competing for a Stanley Cup. They haven't won a cup in a long time. It'd be pretty sweet wearing the 'C' for the Toronto Maple Leafs, but I'm still a long ways away."

Sunder will formally receive his award next month at the BC Hockey Hall of Fame awards ceremony in Penticton alongside the Hall's 2007 inductees: Stanley Cup-winning general manager, Brian Burke; 741-goal scorer, Brett Hull; long-time Vancouver Canuck defenceman, Dennis Kearns; and NHL officiating manager, Bob Hall.

The Hockey Now Minor Hockey Player Achievement Award was established in 2000 when it was won by Colin Fraser from the AHL Norfolk Admirals. This season, Fraser played his first NHL game with the Chicago Blackhawks.

A committee established by Hockey Now reviews applications and selects the winner.

Other past winners include Tyler Burton from Colgate University of the NCAA (2001), Boston Bruins seventh round draft pick Brock Bradford from Boston College of the NCAA (co-winner 2002), Gilbert Brule from the NHL Columbus Blue Jackets (co-winner 2002), Washington Capitals first round draft pick Karl Alzner from the WHL Calgary Hitmen (2003), Dustin Sylvester from the WHL Kootenay Ice (2004), Geordie Wudrick from the WHL Swift Current Broncos (2005), and Stefan Elliot from the Major Midget Vancouver North West Giants (2006).

Yes... Exaclty great poinit. Even now, some are loyal to India but others are against it... Same in British Empire... Maybe many Sikhs in armies were loyal to British, but here are some facts in which it is proved that most of freedom fighters WERE sikh!

Amongst all the freedom fighters who were hanged, 77% were Sikhs. 73% of the freedom fighters wo were sentenced to 1 year prison were Sikhs. Martyred during Kooka and Akali movement (total 591) were all Sikhs. 81% of the deported were Sikhs. The Indian National Army was built up of 60% Sikhs. Amongst the Jallianwala Bagh martyrs, 61 % were Sikhs. 59% of the Bajj Bajj Ghaat shaheeds were Sikhs.

Type | Sikhs | Non-Sikhs | Percentage of Sikhs |

Prison One Year | 1,550 | 575 | 73%

Hanged | 93 | 28 | 77%

Jalianwala Bagh | 799 | 501 | 61%

Bajj Bajj Ghaat | 67 | 46 | 59%

Kooka Movement | 91 | 0 | 100%

Akali Movement | 500 | 0 | 100%

Deported | 2,147 | 499 | 81%

Death sentence | 92 | 35 | 72%

Indian National Army | 12,000 | 8000 | 60%

Could you list your source as to who collected that information, cause their's a hindu website challenging sikhs on the number of freedom fighters by naming hindu freedom fighters while insulting sikhs claiming all sikhs have is bhagat singh udham singh and kartar singh who died for india. I saw these statistics and tried finding a source for them.

It's a really sad but on the one hand, i agree women should stand up for themselves but on hte other hand, isn't it like blaming the victim?

IF a woman does get out of an abusive marriage, what's gonna happen to her? To her kids? (in terms of the punjabi community).

If she does and everyone ostracize her at the Gurudwara and later no one wants to marry her children, is it worth it?

Shouldn't there be an awareness and education on domestic violence in the community through the Gurudwara for instance before we encourage women to leave?

What is the role of the Gurudwara? ANd the parents who raise those boys who later become abusive husband?

Should there be education on anger management, marriage counsellings? in the Gurudwaras? (i'm just giving a few examples but there are so many).

Should these men be shamed by other men? Should other men, when they see on of their family member treating his wife badly, intervene or at least say something?

I just don't think divorce should be the first thing, other steps shold be done first. And it start by raising good sons (who are given the freedom to talk about their feelings. However, it seems boys are not aloud to show feelings but can express them in anger and with fists)

Maybe the first step is being done right now by lifting the 'let's keep it quiet, let's not talk about it"

Hey we can't change what we don't acknowledge...

i agree with you, we need to turn the tables rather then judging the women who have the courage to leave their abusive huspands turn the tables on the abusive huspand because it takes a coward to hit his wife. Bring the huspand and his parants out in the public eye and show what type of cowards these ppl are.

Also reason alot of these boys end up like this is lets face it boys from punjab and in the west are some of the biggest mama's boys and can't even wash their own cloth when their 20 and need thier mommy's. Mother in laws provocing thier sons is huge were mother's feel like their losing their son's to their son's wives so they start turning on their daughter in laws and challenging the son to follow suit.

Bring awarness in the gurdwara and get a private hotline going and turn the tables on the coward huspands.

and how do the sons and daughters grow up and turn out to be like when they grow up watching their fathers abuse their mothers?

the drug problem in punjab and the high addiction rate.

Tackling drug menace in the Sikh state of Punjab.

Addressing a panel discussion after the screening of Reema Anand's documentary on drug addiction "Punjab: The enemy within" at the Chandigarh Press Club, Dua pleaded for saving the energetic Punjabis from decay caused by drugs.
Equating the syringes shown in the documentary to missiles that were destroying society, Dua said they were the symbols of death as over 50 per cent of the youth of Punjab had fallen prey to them.
"In fact, liquor is the first step to addiction in Punjab," Anand told mediapersons after the screening of the documentary. Drugs were the slow poison that effected the entire family and society and grandparents and parents are today fighting this enemy within in Punjab, she said.
The influx of the migratory labour had left the rural Punjabi youth with hardly any work. “With no work, they take to drugs and are ruining their lives,” she said.
Even the NRI money being pumped into Punjab was responsible for the sorry state of affairs and goes a long way in pushing the youths to drugs, she added.
Dr Jatinder Jain, DIG (Bathinda range), regretted that there was no national policy to tackle the drug menace. Criminal neglect on the part of the parents was the basic cause of the children taking to drugs, he claimed.
Sharing Dr Jain's sentiments, Dr Deepinder Singh from Ludhiana, regretted that society seemed to have accepted the use of drugs. Awareness, prevention and treatment were essential parts of the any strategy to tackle the menace, he added.
Prabhjot Singh, senior journalist, who moderated the discussion, said the connivance of the politicians and the police with the drug mafia had virtually led to the mushrooming of a parallel economy in the state and only a mass movement against drug addiction could save the present and future generations.
Meanwhile, the documentary showed heart-rending scenes of the farmers consuming poppy husk and youngsters puncturing their veins with syringes.
Premiered at Los Angeles in 2006, the documentary makes a mention of the rural population in Punjab, particularly in Malwa hooking onto "bhukki" (poppy husk) which had become the poor man's addiction and smack and heroin being used by the richer sections of society in urban areas.
“Punjabis struggled hard to fight with Central Government in the past but now they are up against a enemy within,” the narrator said in the documentary underlining the nexus between politicians-police-drug mafia.

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/british-columbia/...woman-shot.html

A B.C. woman who survived being shot in the face by her estranged husband is speaking out against what she calls an epidemic of domestic violence in the Indo-Canadian community.

In an exclusive interview with CBC News on Wednesday, Gurjeet Kaur Ghuman described how her husband climbed into her car last October in Port Coquitlam with a gun, shot her and then turned the gun on himself.

Parmajit Singh Ghuman died, but the woman he intended to kill lived.

"He actually shot me twice in my head, one right by my eyes and one right through my brain," she said.

Ghuman, who is now blind, said she felt the need to tell her story because so many other Indo-Canadian women in B.C.'s Lower Mainland have been victims of domestic violence.

Several have not survived.

They include Manjit Panghali, a young mother whose body was found burned in October by a roadside in Delta. Her husband Mukhtiar Panghali was charged with second-degree murder in March.

Also in October, Navreet Kaur Waraich, the mother of a four-month-old boy, was stabbed to death in Surrey. Her husband Jatinder has been charged with second-degree murder.

In February, another young Indo-Canadian mother was stabbed to death in Surrey. And just last week, a Sikh man from Vancouver was arrested in India and charged with murdering his estranged wife. Police alleged she left the marriage, but her husband tracked her down and killed her.

Anti-domestic violence march planned

For months, the Indo-Canadian community has been holding meetings and urging women to speak up about abuse. An anti-domestic violence march is planned for Thursday in Vancouver's Little India neighbourhood.

Ghuman said women must protect themselves. If they are in a violent relationship, they should consider divorce, even if some Indo-Canadian women consider such a move shameful.

"Go ahead, sign the papers and everybody separate," Ghuman said. "Or do you want to die?"

Ghuman's brother, Bo, said there is a cultural barrier preventing women from escaping dangerous situations. He said some Indo-Canadians believe women should be silent and endure.

"If the wife is subservient and does everything her husband tells her to do, everything's good in the world and your marriage will work just fine," he said, citing the belief many hold.

"But that's just not reality."

Ghuman said women need to take charge.

"Our community is basically driven by males and I think it should be half-driven by women," she said.

BY PUNEET PARHAR

WINNER-YOUTH CATEGORY

I grew up with, played with, studied with, partied with, rebelled with, snuck out with, lied with, sympathized with, adolescented with,

will go to university with, gain my reputation with, acquire professional power with, get married with, have children with, gossip with, then as now, with,

the confused minds of my Indo-Canadian generation,

who, dressed in bright orange, pink, yellow, green, full length Indian suits, played cabbage patch doll at family parties, in front of uncles and aunties, serving spicy tea and playing coy during the day.

who, dressed in the latest backless, braless, bright, Parasuco tops and curvy leather mini skirts, unleashed their wild inner Barbie girls at night, swaying, displaying,

who, at 18, has known since days spent playing with little pink dolls, that she must be at once an intelligent, ambitious engineering student at MIT and a head bowing, tea serving, dinner making, husband pleasing, child rearing, incarnation of Aishwariya Rai herself, that goddess of Bollywood movies and fantasies of sexually charged adolescent males and their lost-in-the-clouds mothers,

who spend countless hours raging, pleading, fighting, and engaging in futile efforts to convince parents, descendants of an ancient civilization which bore dance masters, painting gurus, philosophic geniuses, famous poets, which invented the arts, to let them pursue dreams to paint, to act, to write

who must resign themselves to ties, stethoscopes, briefcases, careers, doctors, lawyers, engineers, which strangle, choke, suffocate them,

who are told to be MEN, not to cry, but never to argue, never to stand up to their fathers, never to disobey their mothers,

who go to McDonald's with friends, but can eat nothing, no meat, no hamburgers, no fries fried in the oil which fries the meat,

who leave the house to party with friends at 8 p.m. but must be home for curfew at 9:30 p.m.

who, shopping at Square One with their mothers, forbidden from tight fitting clothes, doomed to outfits two sizes too big, smuggle in tank tops low waist jeans strapless bras stuffed inside textbooks hidden at the bottom of bags disguised as gifts for friends

who live out their romances at Central, Streetsville, Meadowvale libraries, cell phones in hand, meeting the boys in BMWs, decked out in Ecko, Phatfarm, Nike, making excuses to their scolding mothers, sighing at the relief when the phone finally clicks, another two hours before the next phone call, the next lie,

who, Khandas hanging from their necks, claiming Sikh pride, their bulging mothers dragging them to the temple by the ear, whip out their cell phones in the lobby, smoke their cigarettes in the back, holler at the good Sikh girls they'll be meeting later at 108, or Calypso or Berlin in Brampton,

who sit at family parties bearing the scrutiny of potential mothers in law who pinch arms to check for fat while shoving snack after snack, meal after meal in their faces, mistaking girls with short haircuts for boys,

who chase after Indian girls, looking up skirts, slapping tight asses, pimping, macking, harassing, but refusing to respect, refusing to take home, refusing to marry,

who, brimming with anger beat the white kids, the white cops, the way their drunken fathers beat them,

who are given scotch on their fifth birthday, pass out drunkenly on the porch at family gatherings, crash brand new Mercedes-Benz' every three months,

who, after countless stabbings backups shootings run ins with cracked beer bottles take pride in the scars running down their backs along their arms across their cheeks, continuing the violence, the same scars stripped across their fathers' bodies as if they were born branded, Sikh, Punjabi, fists for life this life that life the one before it the one after it,

who are ill fated to marry only Indians, only Punjabis, only Sikhs,

who must give up their Chinese girlfriends black boyfriends for husbands scanned versions of their fathers for wives printed versions of their mothers after one date one meeting one engagement ceremony,

who are linked, fianceed, married off, by caveparents who sit night after night at the computer, on the web, searching through arranged marriage personals advertising daughters as slim almond eyed quiet obedient excellent cooks,

who hate each other, he said she said they did oh my god did you see the gossip insecurity oho aha Monika Deol Much VJ <admin-profanity filter activated> drag her down back down all the way down,

who, turbaned marked with Sikh pride know nothing of gurus eternal truths religious principles misunderstood cut their hair throw away turbans pick up diamond studded playboy bunnies,

who live Bollywood lives only two characters; Singhs, translation: lions, constantly growling fighting, proving staking out territory Brampton crew Malton boys Rexdale thugs ignored by rejected by eventually married off to Kaurs meaning: princess,

who wish all people Blacks Whites Chinese were Indians just like them Arabs Persians Pakistanis all the same as us all Brown

who, singin bling blingin drive Lexuses, BMWs, Mercedes-Benzs, operate out of 100,000 square foot homes, life is money money is life spirituality what deeper meanings what callings what love what cash yes cheques yes diamonds YES!

who, failures the legacy of the American dream parents who slaved day and night, counted every penny sacrificied fun life spending for children a better life better education high class jobs, 21 years old still in high school no pencils no books no grades failures

who never reach adulthood in their parents' eyes, remain children incapable of picking their own clothes, their own husbands, their own homes, even at 37 years of age incapable of making their own decisions,

who, I'm sorry to say I'll grow old with, have children with, continue the cycle with, sorry for you, sorry for me, sorry for them, confusion, confusion, confusion.

Sikh Punjabi

My name is Puneet Parhar. I am an 18-year-old student currently attending Clarkson Secondary School. I wrote this poem after being introduced to Allen Ginsberg's "Howl." This is my Howl.

Nankana's Endowment Lands

( Comments in the talics are of Charnjit Singh Bal. I think Charnjit Singh was the editor of the Sikh Bulletin. I may have taken it from the Sikh Bulletin, but can't find the source of the article)

[ Comments by Charnjit Singh Bal ,

Like many Sikhs I believed that Maharaja Ranjit Singh granted the endowments lands to the Guru Nanak's birthplace Gurdwara at Nankana. Although Bhai Kanh Singh Nabha's Mahan Kosh does mention 'the Gurdwara has 18000 acres and 9,892 Rupees (circa 1930 AD value) of endowments to its name, it does not mention as to who bequeathed the land.

Now an article named 'Kohe´-Noor da Paarkhoo (Connoisseur), Rai Bulär, Khan Sahib' by Dr. Harpal Singh, published in S. G. P. C's December 2003 volume of Gurmat Perkash apparently gives authentic information about the historical fact as to who bequeathed 18750 acres endowment land to Guru Nanak Sahib. An excerpt from Dr. Harpal Singh' article,]

There is another Sakhi, a legend, which is not mentioned in our Sakhies, that relates Rai Bulär with Baba (Nanak) Jee. A very important phenomenon happened, but, I am surprised, it is not included in the Sakhies. A pious Muslim narrated this Sakhi to me.

At Nankana Sahib after I paid homage, listened the Keertan (Sikh inspirational music) and partook Langar I thought of meeting and talking to the Muslims. I told a police officer that I am a Professor I want to meet some Professor or Master (high school teacher). The D. S. P. said, there is a college about two furlongs away, go there. I started walking and came to a gate. In English and Urdu was written, 'Guru Nanak Degree College, Nanaka Sahib'. I went inside but didn't see any one. The watchman said Salaam and asked politely; do you need any help? I asked, is there no Professor around? He said that there are but they are on duty at the examinations, I can call anyone you say. I told him I will be back in an hour, at about five o' clock, and started to walk back.

A six and half foot tall, 65-70 year old pious Muslim in Salwar and Kameez (baggy pants and shirt), wearing a turban came walking briskly towards me and said, Sardar Jee Sat Sri Akal; why are you going away? When I saw you I told my labor to quit work. I am the contractor, building a hostel for the students. Come this way, we will talk. Two or three chairs were fetched. None of the laborers went home, they all sat around us on the ground.

During the talks I asked, how much land is in the name the Gurdwara? He said why do ask this question, was there any problem with lodging or boarding? I said there wasn't any problem, but since this is the birthplace of my Baba (Nanak), don't I have the right to be concerned? He said absolutely not, only the revered personages bear that responsibility, our responsibility is to recite scriptures (to praise the Lord). Hazrat (revered) Baba Nanak is caring about us.

I said, ok, but do I have right to know? He said yes, you have right to know. There are seven and a half hundred Murabas (750X25=18750 acres) in gurdwara's name. I asked did Maharaja Ranjit Singh grant this land? The contractor said no, the Maharaja never granted that much land to any Gurdwara. Our ancestor Bhatti Sardar bequeathed this land. I asked who is Bhatti Sardar? He asked, you don't know Bhatti Sardar? Here every child of fifty villages knows his and (Nanak) Baba's name. His name was Rai Bulär, Khan Sahib. You haven't heard Sardar's name? I said his name pervades in every particle of our being brother but I didn't know that Rai Bular was a Bhatti.

There are many Bhatti villages here. The contractor said we are not ordinary Bhattis. I too am Bhatti. Our Sardar was the first who recognized the master of all worlds, Baba (Nanak). Our Sardar recognized a Kohe´-Noor when he (Nanak) was in his childhood. Now hear (endowment) land's account.

Rai Bular Khan Sahib who owned 1500 Murabas (37500 acres) was a wealthy landlord and self-esteemed man but a paragon of nobility. He revered Baba Jee. His age was getting past 40 years but no children. It is said that he mounted his horse and went to tour his Murabas. Guru Baba's age was around 12 or 13 years (circa 1481/82). Baba was tending to herd of pasturing buffaloes. Rai Sahib dismounted from his horse, removed his shoes, stood close to Baba Jee and said, Baba, fulfill my this desire to see a child playing in my house. He had gone to beseech, with this wish in mind. Baba Jee gave his blessings and said Rai your wish is fulfilled; do not lose faith.

After a year a child was born in the house of Rai Sahib. Sardar was so happy that he gave a prodigious party that was attended by Daulat Khan, the Nawab (Nabob) of Sultanpur Lodhi. In this assemblage, after thanksgiving, Rai Bular Sahib bequeathed half of his landed property to Hazrat Eminent Baba (Nanak) Jee. So 750 Murabas (18750 acres) were transferred to Baba Jee's name. That title remains in his name to-date.

About 15 years ago (circa 1988 AD) this matter cropped up in our minds that we are the owners, we hold and farm the land but the title is not in our names. We have been illegally holding the land for generations. We filed a suit in the Skeikhupur court, 'that because in his old age our grand old ancestor turned senile, he bequeathed half of his landed property to a Fakir called Nanak. But since, as per inheritance rights, we are the rightful owners, also as we hold and farm the land, its title should be transferred to our names.' Summons, records search and legal arguments took four years. On the judgment date, the verdict was against us, i.e. the title cannot be transferred. We filed an appeal in the high court at Lahore. The appeal process lased for three years. The high court upheld the lower court's verdict i.e. the title could not be transferred.

We filed an appeal in the Supreme Court at Islamabad. Again the appeal hearing lasted three years. When the time came to pronounce the judgment the bench said come to the court as a delegation of four or five but do not bring the lawyers, as we want to discuss an important matter. We asked, tell us the nature of the matter so that we can come prepared. Since it is a matter common to our clan we have to discuss amongst ourselves. Judges said your filing the suit was not an appropriate action, that is what we want to tell you. The court date was set one month ahead. Each village held its meetings and finally a common meeting of all villages was held. Eight representatives, those who will talk to the judges, were selected.

On the given date hundreds of people came and gathered in front of the court. When our turn came we went inside. I was one of the eight representatives. The judges adjourned courts for one hour. We were ushered into the backroom (judges' chambers), refreshments were served and then the judges initiated the talk. The honorable judges said we have considered the suit very closely. You have acted erroneously. It would have been better if you had invoked the blessings of the Fakirs against whom you filed the suit instead. The venerated men who showed you the terrestrial light (way of life), you sued them and stigmatized them by characterizing them as senile.

Since Rai Bular saved half of his land, his half mind at least was sound. But the Fakir (Nanak) in whose name he (Rai Bulär) transferred half of the land's title had lost all his (mundane) mentality, because he never even looked at the land. His descendents never tried to take possession of the land. The Sikhs never tried to occupy the land nor did they file suits in the courts. You have been holding the land illegally for generations and now you have filed cases in the courts. For ten to twelve years you have been dishonoring your venerated elders. Did nobody advise you not to sin? More than the land they loved you, but you hate those Dervishes and lust for land. The land will stay with you, however it would have been better if you hadn't filed the suit.

We said the land is in our possession but the title doesn't have our names. The judges philosophized, nobody's name will remain, yours' nor ours'. The name of providential God will remain and name of pious devotees will remain. Those who cherish Moon and stars will remain nobody else will remain. Our advice to you is that you withdraw the appeal. We said our brotherhood is waiting out side let us consult with them. The judges said by all means, now it is eleven thirty, you can discuss till four in the evening. If you do not withdraw the appeal we will pronounce the judgment. As this advice has been given to you out of court you are not obliged to accept it.

We came out. Outside our brotherhood was waiting. The whole matter was told and ideas were exchanged. In the end it was decided to choose one of the two choices, either to withdraw the appeal or get the judgment against it. From the judges' talk it was evident that there was no question of our winning. In the evening we appeared along with lawyer and withdrew the appeal. Sardar Jee we were saved. If the appeal weren't withdrawn we would have lost the appeal, this world and the faith (honor). Now we would be able to stand in front of these Dervishes and ask for their forgiveness. Because they are very compassionate, the parents forgive their errant children.

Now, brother consider Baba Nanak's numerous attributes, centuries have passed, he is still sending the compassionate messages. Through Supreme Court he advised us to desist from going wayward. The Supreme Court made us to desist. Baba Nanak did not get us dishonored by the Supreme Court, checked us but saved our honor too. To him hundred thousand salaams. Even today, as per land registry records, Guru Nanak farms these Murabas. Dr. Harpal Singh, Prof. Sikh Studies, Guru Gobind Singh Bhawan, Patiala, 27th September 2003

Some rationalist readers might find the wizardly attributes ascribed to Guru Nanak Sahib hard to digest but historical facts are apparently irrefutable.

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i need answers like these, i loved how you put that, could you give me the link of the website you got that.

to understand that period, just look to loyal indian sikhs today, blown up by tanks and helicopters.

maybe you'll find your answer.

peace.

don't understnad what you meant, do you mean look at how sikhs are loyal to india after what india has done to sikhs.

when i created this topic i was talking about sikh athletes who consider themselves sikhs, i don't care if they are singh or mona. To me a mona or a singh are sikhs and many great heros from the sikh community are considered sikhs even though they weren't gursikhs and those are ppl like maharaja ranjit singh udham singh kartar singh

we use 8% of our brains, how much of our brain do we need to use to control mind.

after meeting bhai randhir singh in jail, bhagat singh became full singh and kept full rehit..... and he even asked jail authorities for amrit but was refused to... same happened to sukha and jinda 6 decades later

their's no hard evidence for this, but when he was fighting for freedom he was atheist and a huge follower of lenin and russian revolution.

He could of started believing in god or died athiest

sikh freedom fighters who were martyered fighting british rule all i can think of is

kartar singh

bhagat singh (atheist)

udham singh

I was wondering if you guys could help me name more.

1919 the massacore, what the british did when they invaded the punjab, all the singhs they tied to canans and blew away, the famins in different sections of punjab that were caused by the british robbing us of our wealth, all this and more yet sikhs were so loyal to the british WHY???

The pushtans when their own ppl were attacked fought back but are ppl were extremely loyal why?

Were the sikh lions the slaves of the british

ppl are going to say the british loved the sikhs im going to reply thats why all sikhs that first moved to england and canada were called pakis and the british government never built a memorial for sikhs in the two world wars and that the british considered themselves supperior over all indians including sikhs.

The british use to have certain groups they would favour over other groups, they would use these groups to help the british suppress the other groups and these groups were the sikhs marathas bengalis gatkas and pushtans rajputs and 2 or 3 more. But the british considered us all dogs, reason for 1919 massacore was because sikhs and others protested the disgusting way the british were treating them making them crawl on the ground while they would be whipped yet so many sikhs remained loyal???

from a website

Scene: trench warfare on Pakistan border, Sikh regiment on one side, suddenly Kartar Singh gets a bright idea, shouts! "Oye Abdul!" Guy pops up from other trench "Kya hai be" BANG shot dead!

"Oye Karim" 2 guys stand up, "Kya hai saala" BANG BANG both khalaas.

"Oye Mustafa!" 2 more, BANG-BANG! dono saale khalaas!

Pakis get worried, they think saala Sardarji log, when did they get so smart? Decide to try it themselves.

"Abe Gurdev Singh".... silence.

"Oye Gurdev Singh!!".... silence.

"O bhai, Gurdev Singh!"

"Oye Gurdev Singh ko kaun bula raha hai re?"

Paki gets up, "Mein" BANG

It's simple really:

1) Not good enough

or

2) Your parents want you to be a doctor etc - no support

Racism is NOT a factor. Look at the black English football players (the real football), they've made it. Some even play for England. Look at Monty Panesar, he's a top player, playing for the England cricket team. Obviously he made the grade. You're either good enough or you're not.

In the English cricket team, there's Monty, Ravinder Bopara, and Sajid Mahmood. So theres three Asian players in a single squad. There is enough Asian talent in cricket, just not for other major sports such as football etc.

Harpal Singh played for Leeds if I remember correctly. Also there is Michael Chopra who currently plays for Sunderland in the Premier league.

Thank you. I hate how people will pull out their "race card" on this issue. Racism isn't an issue in sports anymore.

I think in the future we will see tons of Punjabi athletes since our community will be more settled in the west and more liberal minded that we will be okay with our kids playing sports instead of becoming doctors, lawyers etc...

I was reading up on sociological context of this out of interest recently on why there arent many Asians playing Football (soccer) in the UK; even a recent BBC documentary hinted at the same conclusion that the culture of Sport in the west doesnt sit well with the Cultures of Asians.

For example your average lower league football team celebrates a win with a piss up down your local pub, or for a new player there are drunken initiation ceromonies. All Sports Socities in the top institutions around the UK have regular Piss-up bonding sessions... beleive me Ive seen them! Loughborough Uni, Brunel Uni, Bath etc who produve UK Athletes.

It also explains why Asians generally dont feel comfortable going to sporting grounds either where there is regular swearing drinking etc....

The Asians that have made it through either dont practice or have deep rooted punjabi culture going on (for example) or there has been a local inceitive within their own respective communtity which barely get investment... no one is investing in sports centres in Asian Areas compared to "ghettos" where Apnay dont live.

And off course Parental expectations...even Monty Panesar had to complete his degree before he was allowed into Sport... but this isnt the biggest Problem... its a Clash of Cultures.

How else would you explain so many Apnay in Cricket? where the culture and investment is different compared to other sports.

Hey, Canada is starting to produce decent apna footy players. Heck, our last U-16 national team had 5 apnay on them. One of them might end up in Glasgow Celtic academy according to his coach.

who were the players i read this one article talking about two guys from vancouver being scouted by european teams ill find the article and post it.

is it a punjab police joke or sardar joke

OH MY GOD, BRING THIS UP IN THE DESI NEWSPAPERS YOUR NEPHEWS STORY, ASK THE GURDWARAS AND NEWSPAPERS AND RADIO STATIONS TO SPREAD THIS STORY THEN TO CHALLENGE PARANTS OF HOW IS IT AFTER GOING THROUGH RACISM AND EVERYTHING THAT WE ATTACK OUR OWN PPL.

THEN PUT THEM TO REAL SHAME AND LET THEM KNOW THIS IS WHAT HAPPENDS WHEN YOU DON'T TAKE THE TIME TO TEACH YOUR KIDS ANYTHING ABOUT SIKHI OR SIKH HISTORY, AND SINCE YOUR FROM BIRMINGHAM YOU COULD ALSO USE THIS TO SHOW THE PARANTS YOU DON'T WANT TO TEACH YOUR KIDS ABOUT SIKHI AND SIKH HISTORY DON'T GET MAD THAT YOUR SONS MARRY A GORI AND FORGET ABOUT SIKHISM AND YOUR DAUGHTERS RUN AWAY FROM HOME WITH A MUSLIM AND CONVERT.

AFTER READING THAT IM STILL IN SHOCK.

but also their have bin sikhs that have bin discriminated by amritdharis/keshdharis because they don't wear a turban

but i love debating those guys who judge others cause their the worste sikhs in the world for judging others cause their not amritdharis, but i love having debates with them cause i make them look like hypocrites and know how to humilate them in front of everyone. One time this guy talking about how great maharaja ranjit singh was and such a great sikh leader and need antoehr sikh like him then couple of weeks later is judging non amritdhari siksh but i had a fun time roasting him in front of everyone and showing him and everyone the hypocrite he was.

basicully before anyone thinks about khalistan

first how to deal with the amount of sikh youth doing drugs and seperated from sikhi in punjab and west, right now 50% youth are on drugs

the amount of youth who have no knowledge on sikhi

getting proper leadership in our community, and all the khalistani leaders can't lead <admin-profanity filter activated>

run the gurdwaras properly

GET JUSTICE FOR SIKHS WHO SUFFERED BEFORE SPENDING MONEY AND ENERGY ON KHALISTAN GET JUSTICE RATHER THEN GET KHALISTAN AND FORGET ABOUT GETTING JUSTICE.

Also how do khalistanis plan on getting khalistan

how will it support itself and economy especially when punjab's economy still at the top of india is falling behind

more and more sikhs are less and less educated in punjab and killing themselves

army how fast can it develope an army

how long will it take before the country is up and running or will it become a bangledesh.

http://talentdevelop.com/articles/PosExpect.html

The following experiment was performed in a San Francisco Bay area school by Dr. Robert Rosenthal of Harvard University.

At the beginning of the school year, the principal called three teachers into his office.

And to these teachers he said, "As a result of your teaching excellence over the last three or four years, we have come to the conclusion that you are the best teachers in this school.

"And as a special reward to you, we have identified three classes each with thirty of the brightest students in this school—the students with the highest I.Q.'s And we're going to assign them to you to teach for the entire year.

"Now, we don't want to be accused of discrimination so it's very important that you do not tell these children in any way that that you know that they've been selected for a screened class. And second of all, we're not going to tell their parents, because we don't want to cause any difficulties there.

'I expect you to teach exactly the same way you normally do and use exactly the same curriculum, and I expect you to get very good results with these students."

The results: At the end of the school year, these students led not only the school, but the entire school district in academic accomplishment.

Calling the three teachers into his office, the principal said:

"Well, you've had a very good year."

"Yes we have... it was so easy," replied the teachers, "These children were so easy to teach. They were so eager to learn, it was such a pleasure to teach them."

"Well, maybe I'd better tell you the truth" said the school principal.

"This has been an experiment, and those ninety children were chosen out of the school population at random. When I assigned them to your class at the beginning of the year, I had no idea what their I.Q.'s were at all."

"That's incredible!" exclaimed the teachers. "But how could it be that they scored so highly? They did so well. They got such good grades. Ah hah! Yes! It must be because we are such excellent teachers."

At which the principal said, "and to think I should also tell you the other side of the experiment. At the beginning of the school year, we put all the teachers' names in a hat, and yours were the first three names that were drawn."

These average students did so well because of the Law of Positive Expectancy. This law states that you achieve what you expect to achieve and what others expect you to achieve.

Since the principal expected a lot, so did the teachers. And, sensing that the teachers expected a lot, the students did too. Dr. Rosenthal repeated this experiment 300 times — each time getting identical results.

"To achieve more, you have to expect more. And, to get more from the people who work for you, expect more from them." It really is that simple. But the opposite is also true.

That's why so many bright and capable people never perform up to their abilities. For too long, they've been dumped on by people around them — destroying their self-confidence:

"If you expect to fail, you will fail — saying, 'See, I never win... the cards are stacked against me.' Even if by chance you happen to succeed, you'll say, It was a fluke... it'll never happen again.' People are failures because deep down they see themselves as failures. We all achieve what we expect to achieve."

I know what you're thinking. Yes, it is hard to accept that simply imagining a "positive outcome" can overcome all obstacles — but it's true.

You see, most of your obstacles are only in your mind. Giving up before you start, or quitting short of reaching your goal never ever gets you the life you really want. It's a fact that, 'positive people' always get the life they want. Instead of seeing obstacles, they've learned to turn them into exciting challenges and opportunities.

Speaking of obstacles, one of the most remarkable stories I've heard is the one about how Colonel Sanders introduced the world to Kentucky Fried Chicken:

While hundreds of people have delicious recipes for chicken, Colonel Sanders was convinced he could make money from his recipe. At the age of 65, he decided to do something with it.

He walked into a restaurant and told the owner that he would gladly give him his secret recipe for nothing if he would share the profits. A quick no was all he got.

Now, if Colonel Sanders 'expected' failure, he would've quit right then and there, saying to himself, "Well...it was worth a try."

While that's what many do, not Colonel Sanders. Focusing on a positive outcome, he marched right into the next restaurant...and, just as quickly, got his second rejection.

Before I tell you how many rejections he heard let me ask you this. How many could you handle — 5 ...10... 50...100? Do you have what it takes to become optimistic after 500 people have looked you straight in the eye and said, "NO"? Could you keep on going after hearing 1000 NO's?

Colonel Sanders could! In fact he continued, undaunted, until person number 1,009 finally said, "YES". That's correct; 1,008 people said NO.

Amazing, isn't it?

What about you? I know you've got dreams and goals and hopes and plans and desires. But will you achieve them?

Unfortunately, the odds are against you.

Not because you're incapable. I'm sure you're quite capable. It's because you may still believe that you can't achieve your goals without a lot of hardship.

For too long, you may have been struggling with a hit or miss approach to your life — reacting to what life hands you, instead of taking charge of your circumstances. How long will you settle for having less than what you should have — being satisfied with living a life that's just "O.K"—when it should be "GREAT"?

You know you have what it takes. Just as a high performance car can spin its wheels and go nowhere, many bright people waste their lives in the same way. I get so angry when I think of how many bright people I see who are down on themselves.

Down on their lives. Down on the people in their lives. Down on their future. Down on simply everything. Sure, there's lots that isn't as we like, but unless you know what to do about those things that affect you, you'll always be a victim of them — them controlling you, instead of you in charge.

Like many talented people, maybe you've become comfortable in your routine and are reluctant to change.

re educate parants on benifits of sports

kids learn to set goals and learn time management skills and gain confidence and learn how to motivate themselves learn teamwork and leadership skills in sports.

10 views and no replys common ppl.

WHEN PPL CLAIM SIKHISM IS A MIX OF HINDUISM AND ISLAM WHATS THE BEST WAY TO ANSWER THEM BACK.

OH MY GOD, BRING THIS UP IN THE DESI NEWSPAPERS YOUR NEPHEWS STORY, ASK THE GURDWARAS AND NEWSPAPERS AND RADIO STATIONS TO SPREAD THIS STORY THEN TO CHALLENGE PARANTS OF HOW IS IT AFTER GOING THROUGH RACISM AND EVERYTHING THAT WE ATTACK OUR OWN PPL.

THEN PUT THEM TO REAL SHAME AND LET THEM KNOW THIS IS WHAT HAPPENDS WHEN YOU DON'T TAKE THE TIME TO TEACH YOUR KIDS ANYTHING ABOUT SIKHI OR SIKH HISTORY, AND SINCE YOUR FROM BIRMINGHAM YOU COULD ALSO USE THIS TO SHOW THE PARANTS YOU DON'T WANT TO TEACH YOUR KIDS ABOUT SIKHI AND SIKH HISTORY DON'T GET MAD THAT YOUR SONS MARRY A GORI AND FORGET ABOUT SIKHISM AND YOUR DAUGHTERS RUN AWAY FROM HOME WITH A MUSLIM AND CONVERT.

AFTER READING THAT IM STILL IN SHOCK.

Ahh... Basketball

Ill be the first . :D Hopefully .

its not that ther isnt any sikh talented sporty people, its just that clubs, sports managaers etc... dont like the look of something very different, they keep it simple do 'normal people'

I have to disagree... I made the State Basketball Team and in my first Practice my Coach came up to me and said that during the tryouts right when he laid eyes on me he could see that i was different but that was why he kept looking at me... why he kept up with me. Looking different from everyone else helped me to make the team.

By the way there were like 300 people trying out for 24 spots and I was the only Sikh amongst them.

thats awsome go far as you can, how old are you. So far Pasha bains was closest in baskitball to go NBA and was two time canadian univirsity baskitball scoring champion and mvp.

Just believe you can

henry ford put it best what ever the mind can conceive and believe it can acheive.

all the sikh athletes right now

PARM PHANGURA canadian national weightlifting champ

http://www.voiceonline.com/voice/070609/headline5.php

The khalsa school cleaned house in medals

http://www.voiceonline.com/voice/070616/headline5.php

lions weightlifting school

http://www.voiceonline.com/voice/070127/headline3.php

manjot sandhu 4 gold medals 1 provincal 2 national and gold in pan american games

http://www.wrestling.ca/news/article.php?id=996

http://www.voiceonline.com/voice/070825/headline5.php

arjun bhullar national candian wrestling champ and also going to the olympics for canada

http://www.wrestling.ca/athletes/athlete.php?id=69

From england they got some crazy punjabi fighters theirs kash gill former 3 time world kickboxing champion

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kash_Gill

Akash Bhatia profesional boxer

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=NUaM_5McC74

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akash_Bhatia

Theirs kultar gill from canada he was ranked as the number 1 lightweight mixed martial arts fighter in canada and won a few titles

Pacific Northwest Muay Thai champion, Pacific Northwest MMA champion, Canadian Muay Thai champion, Superbrawl North American champion, North American Muay Thai champion and he fights professionaly in K1

MANJOT SANDHU: FIRST INDO-CANADIAN TO WIN GOLD IN PAN AMERICAN CADET CHAMPIONSHIPS

This was the fourth gold medal that 17-year-old wrestler Manjot Sandhu, a grade 11 student of Cloverdale's Lord Tweedsmuir secondary school, bagged this year - but definitely the most prestigious.

Manjot won the gold in the 85 kg. category at the Pan American Cadet Championships held in Panama City from August 15 to 20. He beat Ecuador's Jairo Gonzalez in the final bout and became the first Indo-Canadian to win a gold medal in the championships.

He was also the only wrestler from B.C. to win a gold for Team Canada that won 5 gold medals in the 10 categories for males.

In February, Manjot came first in the 84 kg. Category in the B.C. High School Wrestling Championships.

He followed that up with a gold at the National Juvenile Championships in Toronto in April, and another gold at the Canada Cup in July, also in Toronto, where he competed in the 85 kg. Category, which qualified him for the Pan American Cadet Championships.

Manjot told The VOICE that he was very grateful to his personal coach Garry Garfield and to Khalsa Wrestling Club coach Balbir Singh Dhesi, who's been training him since he started wrestling six years ago.

Manjot is a member of the Khalsa Wrestling Club that is actually located on his family farm in Cloverdale at 50 Avenue and 160 Street.

Manjot's father's elder brother, Makhan Sandhu, is a famous weight lifting coach at Lions Weightlifting Club.