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thanks veer ji , i will start listening to Suraj Praksh Granth katha.

I think i have also heard from someone that there is some HIndu puran in which everything is wriiten of what every person will do. There was some person in Punjab who used to have that Puran. One of my freind went to him. He used to ask name , date of birth , place of birth. then he used to find his record from there. i don't know how or even ist true or not. But he gave the casesste in which he recorded his voice of about his past and future. usually 90% were correct. may be someone knows more about that. he also said that all actions are recorded. There is also mentioned in sukhmani sahib " kai bar pasario pasar" I am also confused with one more thing. if there are other planet or Aliens in tihs universe , then do they also had different avatars of God there. I mean did Guru Ji came only on earth. How will they get mukti

@Mohinder Pal I think u r right , that may be Rishi not MAYA , i may have mixed some with some other sakhi. I rememeber it was in suraj prakash Katha by Giani ji. I don't agree with you on this. We may have become ONE with GOD by that time . There will be no need to come back unless you choose it yourself and help people on this forum There is one difference now that SGGSJ Maharaj are now in Parghat roop with us

I have once heard in Gaini Thakur Singh ji katha that Once when Ram Chandra ji gave his Anguthi or Ring to Hanuman Ji so that he can bring some food from an old lady living some where. When hanuman ji went there and He asked old lady to given food in exchnage of Ring of Ram Chnadra ji. Hanuman Ji thought lady will be very happy that she got ring of Ram ji and will accept with great respect. But the old lady told hanuman that throw in the box and get food and go. hanuman was very angry that how can she treat him like that. Then old lady told him to go near the box. Then Hanuman ji saw that there were many more rings there exactly like that. Then Hanuman ji got confused and asked the lady. Then lady told that do u think that you have come here first time??. You have come here many times before that. Then Giani ji told that Yugs repeat. Gaini ji also told that that lady was MAYA I am not exactly sure how this works

I have heard form some where that Yugs keep repreating itself and there is a cycle of four Yugs. I want to know that if thats true then does it mean that kalyug has happened before as well. 1) Then what Happened in that Kalyug. I mean did Guru Nanak Dev ji also came in That Kalyug 2) Does it mean that in Future there will no Avatar of Parmatma coming to earth and give some mantra , as Nothing can come more powerful than "Waheguru" mantra. so it means all the be it Satyug or Treta Yug or Dwapar Yug , Guru Granth Sahib ji will stay here for ever . But then how we will define which yug is which?

@humkire Actually i had exactly that point in my mind as all are beggars in front of Guru Shaib. But i had one thing at back of mind an dplease clear that. I was thinking that If we know some Mahapurush or some high Avastha Singh and be their friend . Now we all have bad past karamas holding us from living jeevan Guru sahib way. SO if we can talk to mahapusrush , then they can do Ardass for ourself and that will wash away some sins because then their high kamai will be used. But If for person who does not know them , He may be at loss. This happened with me , I used to go to Gurudwara sahib during pre- Amritdhari days. many told me to Go for Gursikhi but i didn't agree. I used to go to that high Avastha Singh as his son was my friend. He asked me why i am not going for Gurskih. I told him that i can not leave eating non veg food. Then He closed his eyes and did Ardass for me. I didn't knew what that will do. But Suddently after 1-2 weeks my mind got chnaged andi left eating non veg. i don't know what happened but i didn't wanted to leave eating non veg but something inside me chnaged my mind. So i was thinking if we know some mahapurush or stay around them , they can wash our sins. Few months back i was not at my home town then my friend told me that some Mahapurush came here. Did great Katha and Naam Simran. He told me me that while going they told Guru Shaib are happy have done lot Kirpa and bakshish to sangat here. I was thinking that i have missed those Kirpa. Am i wrong in thinking that?

WJKK WJKF I have personally felt that , especially abroad, that when some Mahapurush come to Gurudwara shaib for Diwan or katha , then there are certain number of singhs around them . they can be local or Singhs who come with them who always surround them. Now the local singhs always try to surround them and makes it difficult for normal person to talk to them. They take them to their own houses but normal person did not get any opportunity to meet them or talk to them So i want to know that what should be done , in these sort of scenarios.

You r right. Actually i agree with that but then it can easily gave the excuse to person like me for not doing anything more than Nitnem. My mind always try to finish Nitnem as fast as possible. Now Suppose i agree with number theory. Then initially if i used to do 5 japuji sahib then my mind will say best is to do 1 japuji Sahib but in proper way with sharda prem. Now i will try to do that for first few days. But slowly slowly i will get back to original position but now i will only do 1 path instead of 5 previous path. it happened with me before. but i will now try again if i succeed in that.

I am not fully getting this. So it means for uneducated old village people who just know punjabi , have no use of reciting Gurbani or Sehaj Paath. It does not matter, if they do one Japuji sahib Paath or 20 daily? as they won't understand their Arth fully. I have hear in sakhis where sant mahaprush told mentally retarted boy just recite waheguru and after few months his awastha started in creasing. Now he didn't understand what whaeguru means but the naam did the thing. Although we can say that person with full understanding can get 100% and without arth can get some percentage so that if he increases the number , he will get at least some benefit , rather than saying no benefit at all. He is giving 5 hrs to GOD , how can Guru Shaib didn't notice that thing?

Veerii , i will try to understand what you have said and will try to follow sikhi that way. Just final few tihngs. I was thinking of doing Sehaj Path . I have two options 1) Taking 1 month break and try to finish one Sehaj Paath during that time. 2) Doing Full Sehaj Paath with Arths and it may take 2-3 years. Do u think i should go for second option. Because my friends finished 2-3 Sehaj Paaths and i haven't so i was thinking of doing that way. But As you said we don't need to look at others.

@himkire ji Thanks veerji again for you wonderful thoughts, i understand your views But i have confusion regarding kamai of saints. Lets take example Singh A -- Does normal Nitnem Singh B -- Does Normal Nitnem + 10 Sukhmani Sahib daily According to me if Ghost attacks both, then Singh A is more vulnerable and more damaged will be done to him. But according to you there should be no difference. I know Guru ji is our Father but everyone has different karams. Why then only think about Ghosts , If we take things your way then all root evils like kam , krodh moh should not attack any Gurskih irrespective of their kamai. Then why do new comers has got lot of problems with kam , krodh lob etc and high kamai sighs got less affected by them It should be simple principle the more you work , more you earn. If i increase my simran , i will have more simran power which can protect me like bullet proof jacket. Now saints already got much thicker jacket by their kamai Even if someone attack they can handle it but thats difficult for new comer with thin jacket. You can correct me if my this perception is wrong. you are again 100% true. Even if i talk about Ghost attacks , but they also attack due to my previous bad karamas, just like i get dukh sukh due to my previous karamas. I don't understand why we are talking Ghosts as separate entity as compare to other things. If some person hit me or MR India hit me or any animal hit me, it should be treated as attack. Now any type of attack on me is due to my previous karamas , there is no doubt about that. But just like we defend normal person , i was asking how to defend from MR INDIA type things. Now we have the right to protect ourselves if someone attacks us. Be it man or Ghost. . Now if that is against Gurbani then please let me know.

I just gave the proof from Gurbani that they exists and even i have read in Bhai Randhir Singh Jees book Jail Chithya where they mentioned incidence of meeting with Ghost. Bro its easy to say then do. You are talking because you didn't have had any experience with them . Just ask from those who had. They make life miserable. sometime they do catch you and fight. If you want to fight with them with Gurbani then your Nitnem has to be very very proper and puri Rehat. Its not like you recite One Sukhmani sahib and they are gone. I think they even attack mahapurush as well but they have kamai so they tackle them. But problem comes for not so special Singhs like me

I think rather than telling other people that its all due to GOD's GRACE, first you have to realise this yourself by heart. If you truly realise that, you won't be having any problem as then u will realise that they are complimenting Guru ji's radiance not yours. You keep separation with that.

In Sukhmani sahib "kai kot bhoot pret sukar mirgach"

It means that those person who see Guru Sahib darshan has some mental problem??? How can we differentiate whether its real darshan or some mental problem.

Male or Female

Did any one has experience with Ghosts spirits black magic stuff. I don't know whether i don't do it properly but i found it very hard time to deal with these things.

Thank you again veer ji . I am slim and of 28 years of age. There are my friends who sit for whole raensabee in one chownkri. Theirs legs are flexible and sit in padamasan. I have no flexibility and my legs are long. I have treid many times but could not sit in padamasam. They told me that Padamasan automatically keep back straight and legs don't sleep as well. The main problem is sometimes in big raensabaee it is difficult to find good place to site. My problem is even if i find good place near front. then i have to get up after sometime. Its very annoying. Thats why i usually do sewa and don't listen to kirtan much but only half an hour or so. How can i make body flexible??

Thank you very much veerji , that why i was thinking i didn't do anything wrong after being amrtidhari but why this all happened. But i got the idea. Thank you again for your wonderful posts. I will print them and read them again.

@humkire Thank you very mucch veerji , your posts gave me much to work on. The reason i was having more love and sharda during Gurbani in pre-amritdhari days was that becasue at that time i has cut haris, i was eating non-veg and i knew that i was wrong. I knew that whatever i was doing , GOD is not happy with me . I knew i was at the bottom of the list of GURU ji. So at that there i had nothing for which i can do haume or ego. I used to one path in 1-2 weeks just so that may GOD washes my few sins. I did'nt knew what is concept of GOD , why to read Gurbani and what is MOKSHA. I was just reciting Gurbani so that GOD can forgive me for eating non veg and cutting my hairs. I used to love GOD because i know HE is only one who has helped me in my tough times. The most imporatnt thing was i was not having any haume and everyday i felt like i am the dirtiest fellow in GODs list. But i loved GOD at that time. But Since being Amritdhari and listening to all Vyakhya. I got more and more knowledge. But that Knowledge ulitmately gave me so much haume that now i am amritdhari i am above non amritdhari and i know stuff about sachkhand and all that. Now i feel someone special being amritdhari so that "nimana" feeling is gone and love is gone due to haume

Frankly speaking i think i do that. But how can i change that. I mean just reciting "waheguru" while i am doing some mechanical work or watching movie has no value

WJKK WJKF Saad sangat ji please help me . I have very big problrm that i can't sit in chownkri for long time. I mean not more than 15 mins. If i sit with wall then i don't have back problem but then after 20-25 mins my legs strats sleeping. Thereis pain in GODE and i move legs here and there. But problem become more worse if sit in middle of sangat then after 15 my back also hurts. Even sometime i can't sit close to sangat as i know that i can sit there for long and i will cause problem to sangat. what should i do. Any exercises yooga which can help me

Thanks you very much veerji for that insight knowledge. Actually i take Mahapurush jeevan as a refrence point. For e,g Brahmgynai Sant Harnaam Singh ji Rampur Khera wale (Book Se Kinehya) , Bhai Rama Singh ji (Raj Khalse ka , sikka sone ka) and Bhai Randhir Singh ji (Jail CHithya). In their books they told , how they got Partakh darshan of Guru ji in Human Form. sant Harnam Singh ji told Guru sahib came with panj Pyare on their horse to meet them and called them from their room. But Guru JI didn't talk to them . When Sant Harnam Singh ji asked of one of Singhs with Guru sahib they told that you are not reciting JAAP SAHIB in nitnem so Guru sahib is not happy. From that Day they also started doing Jaap Sahib. Then again when Sant Harnaam were sitting in Gurudwara sahib then after ardass Paathi singh started giving Degh and degh was very very hot. sangat was finding it difficult to put on hand. Then at that time Guru Gobind singh ji maharaj gave darshan to sant Harnaam Singh ji and told that you tell singhs to first keep the degh cool and then distribute it. There were many sakhis like that where Guru sahib directly talked with their bhagats in human form. Now presently my few friends met one mahapurush (i won't mention name). All friends remain with them for 1 week. That Mahapurush can directly talk with Guru sahibans. When they were doing simran suddenly everyone starts weeping with bairag , even mahapurush himself started crying with bairag. Then when asked they told that Guru Gobind singh ji were sitting in sangat and he can't stop himself. Then mahapurush told them to get one glass of water , we will give to Guru sahib. They put one glass of water in Kitchen , did ardass and close the door. Then after 5 minutes when they went inside then, Glass was half empty. Mahapurush told them that we don't usually do that but Guru shaib were very happy with your sharda so we requested Guru Sahib to drink some water. So thats why i also wanted so that if i can talk with Guru sahib like that.

That i That excellent veer ji i wish if i could do what you do. I am amritdhari but frankly speaking i only do nitnem because i have to. i think 98% of time i feel the pressure of completing Nitnem . Its more because i have to. I remember when i was non amritdhari then i was like you and used to do only some Paath but with love. Its gone now. I don't know what happened but its true. i wish if could get that love back I don't know what to do. I think i may done many bad karams thats its happenning.

That is excellent. All in One Maha Mantra.