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Actually i wanted to say that thing but chose the wrong word. sorry for that

I think Mohinder Singh ji you are confusing with the meaning of pankiti "Vaho Vaho Gobind singh Ape Guru Chela" IT means the Guru Gobind Singh Mahjaraj created Khalsa Panth with Panj Pyare Sahiban and started maryada of Amrit.This described them as GURU Then after that Guru Gobind Singh JI maharaj himself took Amrit from Those Panj pyare stating that this is maryada from Akal Purk himself . This described them as Chela. Don't compare 10 Guru Sahibans with bhagats or anyone else. Our 10 Guru sahibans were Avtaar of GOD , they didn't have to look for anything

Thank you veer ji , i had some doubt in my mind. I was thinking if it would be good for normal person who needs worldly things to recite Mool Mantra or EK Onkaar if he not Amritdhari

I think there is a sakhi when Bhagat Kabri got NAAM as "RAM" from Ramanand ji when Ramanand ji went to do ishnann and Kabir ji slept on the ground. When Ramanad ji put their feet on Kabir ji and told him "RAM ke bande RAM bol" . Then Kabir ji thought that he got naam from Ramanand ji and the Kabir ji strated reciting RAM RAM. So the mian idea is that evryone has to get the Gurumantra from Puran sant and Puran sant can be from any religion. Even if sone Puran sant from Muslim give "ALLAH" to anyone. That person can reach Sachkhand. So Guru is must for everyone "Guru bina Gat nahi" One thing more even in SIKH religion Brahamgyani mahapurush can give naam to anyone but they don't do it. They want to follow Guru Shaib maryada.

WJKK WJKF saadh sangat ji , i have one doubt in my mind. We know that "Waheguru" is Gurumantra which is given by Panj pyares. I have heard in many stories that Gurumantra only works if its given by the authority. Now for non Amritdhari person Waheguru won't be a Guru Mantra. So does it mean that it wont benefit much. Please clear my doubt

veerji , i think you got me wrong. now in India in every city or every village we have Amrit Sanchar. Guru ji has given all the power to Panj Pyare. Now those Panj Pyare sahiban need not be Brahmgyani or Puran Sant. They have to be SINGHS with rehat and Nitnem. There is 100% Guranate that Any one can reach sachkhand if one follows all the rules after je took Amrit. No one is going to ask from which Panj Paye we took Amrit. Its all responsibility of GOD. There may be Puran Sants in any religion but they will not be so easily to reach as we have Panj Pyare ji. DOn't get me wrong, but can you please mention me one single name of Puran Sant from any religion or who has the power to given gurumantra like Ramanand ji.

But the only problem now in other religion is that. There has to be Puran Sant in other religion who can give NAAM. We are fortunate that we can get Gurumantra from PANJ PYARE which are equivalent to GURU SAHIB but its very very difficult to find Puran Sant in other religion. Here the problem starts

WJKK WJKF Many of my friends always try of recite as much Gurbani in free time or even if they ahve 10 mins they do one sukhmani sahib Asthpati. There is one of my friend who besides Nitnem always do waheguru simran and does not have any targets like 1 or 2 or 3 Sukhmani sahib paath daily but only waheguru simran. Although both are good ways but just want to know suggestions or ideas.

My main question is what is the reason for them to say so. May be what they are telling is what they are felling or seeing or experiencing. Although that may be wrong from our perspective but that may be happening with them. Just like people do meditation to reach trance like state but there are some medicines/drugs which can take you directly to that state. So saying that, "person who uses drugs to reach that state", is lying , is not appropriate. Changing the history is bad thing and there are bad people everywhere. But my main concern is only with their experience with GOD. They say with so much confidence that it looks they are experiencing the same. and they are telling that to millions of people. Telling lie to millions of people everyday requires very hard heart. May be they are experiencing someting , that may not be GOD but may be, they think that as GOD. You know what i want to say

Osingh ji , i have talked with many people from different religion , almost everyone agrees on the path of Gurmat but the most difficult thing for evryone is to chnage religion. They have to fight with their parents , society and most importantly with ourselves. People are ready to to recite Gurbani , do Nitnem and Go to gurudwara sahib and do everything but they say that its not possible for them to tie turban because they can't fight with aprents and society. Even i belong to sikh famliy but we all had cut hairs.My all rishtedars are also same. but when i told my parents that i want to become Gursikh my father was against me. I had to fight a lot with him , with my family and all that. Even it was very difficult for me in the beginning to tie turban because there are old 25 years bad habits which stop you from it. I used to become lilke Heros and cut hair and go after Girls. Those things always come in my way during first year. They do even come now but for a person who is Hindu , i will tell you , Only by guru jis grace he can do that , otherwise its very difficult to tie turban for hindu. He told me that he can do simran for 24hrs but its diffcult for him to tie turban. Lucky are those people who got gursikhi in virasat or whose parents are Gursikhs. You have already won half battle if your family is gursikh. Otherwise ask from me . Sometimes i had to do nitnem by hiding in some room , so that no sees what i am doing. Somtimes i wanted to go to samagam but i can't go. I know its all my past karmas but really things are very difficult if family is non gursikh

u r right . There is no point for sikhs to discuss this as we have the route given to us by Akalpurkh himself. But the main reason for me to ask this question is that. My friend is HIndu and i told him everything about GOD whats written in Gurbani.He agrees to all things as its all logical. Now i don't want to say to him that if you want liberation then adopt sikhism as you will get to sachkhand only in sikhism. Neither i am sure whats the way in Hinduism to reach there. So first i wanted to clear my doubts so that i can point him in right direction

i think i listened that from many katha vachaks including Giani Thakur singh Ji. I even talked with one mahapurush who directly talks with ten Guru Sahibans and He also said this thing. When i aksed about other religion people who are very religious then mahapurush told me that thos eperson has to take next janam in sikhsim , in order to enter sachkhand. They can become kathavachaks and do Guru sahib seva in their next janam but they have to enter sikhism. just wanted to confirm from 2-3 sources if someone has asked that type of questions to some mahapurushs. But i think i will only believe when i can ask directly from Guru sahib , otherwise doubt will stay in my mind

I totally agree with you singh154 ji. But confusion gets created when we see the jeevan of all mahapurush. LIke in "Se kinehian" sant Harnam Singh ji also mentioned there is no gati without Amrit. There is also one major Sakhi of mother of Sant Atar Singh Matuana wale ji where their mother was denied admission to sachkhand because She was not Amritdhari. Dharam raja told them that although you are mother of such great Brahamgyani but we are bound by rules. So thier mother has to come back for few minutes to take Amrit. According to sakhi when their mother told this story after after waking from death bed then 20,000 people took Amrit at that time. So i get confused what is actual reality

Those were my views but i am not sure i am right or not but i want to know the real truth which can go either way

Gurbani also mention Gods name like RAM and ALLAH. Like bhagat Kabir ji reached sachkhand by RAM. and many other Bhagats as mentioned in Gurbani. so it means person who followed them with purity , can reach sachkhand. It does not mean that those doors are now closed after Guru nanak dev ji gave us Gurbani but follwing through sikhism way can be easier.

I may be wrong but i don't think that anyone who does lot of simran about 24 hrs can tell lie. I am talking about radhaswami head. What they see , like , any type of darshan , should have happened with them. But if thats real or not , that is another question. Well may be some power like MAYA or something or may be Guru sahib are puting them in illusion. i don't know

Well that can make no sense to you but it can make sense to someone I became Gursikh against my parents wishes. My father was very angry with me that why i became Gursikh. My father used to fight with my mom after drink sometimes about me. The problem became worse when i say to my father that i wanted Gursikh Girl. There were fights every day between my mom and dad. I was very upset because i couldn't do anything. My father didn't say anything me because i was grown up but he used to fight with my mom. My father did not wanted Gursikh girl , he wanted some modern Girl but i was against it. But as time passes by my father used to fight more more with mom and i couldn't do anything bout that. I had to agree to marry with non amirtdhari because i was not able to find any suitable Gursikh girl. i was very upset but i can't see my mom in problem so i had to agree to marriage. But due to Guru ji grace something happened and that enagament got broken before marriage and then just within 1 week i got rishta form Amridhari girl and we will get married within few months. Sometimes we don't have any choice

maaf karna ji , i thought you were kalsingh

The main reason i want to know is that there are many sants who are not Amritdhari say that they had darshan of Akal Purkh or Guru nank Dev ji. for E,g Radhaswami wale Sant. I don't know if they are right or wrong. But i think if someone is doing Bandagi or naam simran then that sant will not tell lie. So it they do see SOMETHING. Now if that is real Akal Purkh or something else i don't know. Because Radhaswami wale sant do lot of bhagti and simran. They usually say that there are thing beyong sachkhand. i don't want to say anything against anybody but my main question if they do see something what is that. Is it MAYA or what.

Truly there is no difference between Guru Granth Sahib Ji and our 10 Guru Sahibans and everyone should see that way. But you can say i am blind or my bad karams or whatever , my mind still longs for darshan of Guru nanak dev ji in Their body form. I tried convincing my mind that there is no difference , i bow to Guru Granth Sahib ji as my Guru ji but i always pray to them if i can have darshan of Guru Nanak dev ji. its sad but true. i wish if i can get that eye when i see no difference between them I have no answer for that. The other thing is i have talked to mahapurush who directly talk with all Guru sahibans and after listening to their talks i also want to do same. I have no contact with them now but i want to know if someone has done that

You r right in that. But again there is nothing like right or wrong because in order to judge what is right or wrong one has to be perfect and without any vices and perfect is only Vaheguru so technically beside Brahmgyani or Guru sahib no one can say what is right or wrong. But sometimes when we say things from our judgement like you said then someone who is browsing the forum gets confused that he is doing something wrong while engagaing with his wife. So instead of concentrating on things like naam simran , he will get more and more worried about how he can avoid that. It happened with me. Instead of Nitnem i started thinking about high level things and then i was in total chaos , them someone guided me that first fix you Amritwela and then we will talk further You thinking is perfect for that person who is already good on Guru sahib path and by following ur advice he can go one step further but very often new bies gets confused.I am talking from my experience. May be i am having very bad karmas that i am like that but it happend with me Bhul chuk maaf

I may be wrong in my thinking but i don't totally agree with that. I think that line may be true for the person who have controlled all vices in him. Humans like me have so many bad habits or or you can say nature that , by not doing sex with wife is not going to do much benefit to me. Frankly speaking i am trying to wakeup at Amritwela for past 4 years but i have not been able to. Every time i see beautiful girl i can't stop my eyes to see her. I know its wrong but i can't stop myself. Sometimes i can't stop my Krodth on others. Now with all the vices if someone tell me to not indulge in physical relationship with wife, i will become mad. and even if i do that with all other vices , i am not going to again anything by that. So the point is , if you have full control of your shortcomings and bad habits then we can think that, But for person like me i won't gain anything by doing that. it can make life more worse

I have heard from many katha Vachakas that There is no admission to Sachkhand without being Amritdhari. Like we heard the Sakhi of Bhai Nand lal and Guru Gobind Singh ji. My main question is does that mean that BrahamGyanis are only in Sikh religion and not in any other religion. What about those people who are true hindu or true muslims and they recite their Gods name all day and night. Won't they go to sachkhand??

I have heard from many people that so and so person recites more Gurbani and He sometime talks with Guru Nanak Dev ji or Guru Gobind Singh ji. I want to know is there anyone on this forum who has practically experienced that or who knows if someone has experienced that.

Is there anything like Sangat or true sangat? I thought of them as one. "satsangat esi janye jithe eko naam vakhnye" I think where group of people recite waheguru name , even if they had done bad karmas but while reciting true name they can be treated as sangat. Guru ji never stopped any killers or bad people from coming to sangat and do naam simran. And as Guru Granth sahib ji are Guruji himself , so their presence t will always be treated as true sangat