Degh-Tegh-Fathe

Please i beg the sangat, literally beg for any pictures videos audios stories anything regarding or related to Dr Pritam Singh Anjaan Jee, Dr Jis kirtan revitalizes me everytime i am feeling down or even low in my sikhi life.. sometimes i dont even feel like listening to kirtan or reading bani but listen to Dr Jis Kirtan always bring my heart back to the highest of highs! Please Please Please if you have ANY photos or Videos or Audios of Dr Ji PLEASE i beg that u share, if they are for sale i am willing to pay. I am quite sad Dr Jis kirtan is not more widely listened too..But im sure it is apart of his glorious bana that this is so. I have many audios of Dr Ji if anyone would like them. Gurfathe Jio

Kaho Kaha Baar Baar Samjath Neh Kio Gavaar Binsath Nahai Lagai Baar Ourai Sam Gaath Hai Sagal Bharam Daar Deh Gobind Ko Naam Lai!

this is wat happens when we dont listen to katha, and this thread is going to turn into a mool mantar debate, but

idk which bhramgianis you might be talking about bhaji, but

baba deep singh ji shaheed, bhai mani singh ji shaheed, baba nand singh ji nanaksar, baba attar singh ji mastuane, baba ishar singh ji rara sahib, baba harnam singh ji rampurkhera, baba maha harnam singh ji, baba jwalla singh ji harkoal wale, baba jagit singh ji harkoal wale, baba karrak singh ji, baba seva singh ji rampurkhera, baba karam singh ji hotimardan wale, baba sundar singh ji bhindranwale, baba gurbachan singh ji bhindranwale, baba katar singh ji bhindranwale, baba jarnail singh ji bhindranwale, baba thakur singh ji bhindranwale

these bhramgianis all say that mool mantar is up to nanak hosi bhi sach.

can you plz tell us which bramgiani's of the panth have ever said that mool mantar is up to gurparsad??

Bhai sahib Bhai randhir singh ji Bhai sahib Bhai Raama Singh Ji Bhai Sahib Bhai Jeevan singh ji. And biggest of all GURU JEE! Do proper vayakaran of gurbani and also Baba Deep Singh Ji and Bhai Mani Singh Ji both did mool manter up to Gur Prasad, if you believe differently please state your evidence, and also (they started taksaal, and taksaals maryada is puratan is not a valid answer because taksaals maryada has changed many times in the past)eg. Baba Gurbachan Singh Ji Mahapursh said Jhatak is ok. Baba Takhur Singh Ji said all meat is bad... and changed the maryada when he was at position of Jathdari..dont believe me believe in the records... Gurfatheee jiooo = )

vaheguru vaheguru vaheguru vaheguru vaheguru

are you serious??? that's like saying its hypocritical to tell a kid to stop running around breaking this because were not perfect either.... I think that people are getting WAY to loose on there kids...my dad luvvers me but he gave me the occational 1 2 now and then lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHVawdNxQVU...re=channel_page

-a good watch

How about remaining back on topic?

How about sarpanch pm me instead of writing on the forum, you have a tendency to chat nonsence which is evident from your posts,

Degh Tegh Fateh - Isnt betting against the principles of gurmat? - or where you saying it in context of conversation? Either way you are entitled to your beleifs and we to ours -

If they are or are not, how is that effecting us now? What are we doing? are we doing anything?

From what i have obsereved . . . i am entitled to say that . . . at least the singhs who are on baba jees bachan are actively taking part in parchar in uk, in parchaar in india and are going to jail due to there kurbania in the Respect for Guru Jee in India, they are actively challenging dehdharis and pakandis.

Here is the apparent post mortem report of ''Sant Jee''

http://www.shaheedkhalsa.com/postmortem.html

I think the thread has gone on long enough and needs to be closed about now.

And Singhs that say he is shaheed arent doing parchaar? Sant Ji May be coming back but not as in the same saroop. it doesnt make scense, sant ji is no giddar, he makes lions. He would have come back by know, look at the situation in punjab know, if he couldnt stand keeping silent pre 84 how could he know, that is if he WAS alive. Anyways i still dont see a problem with what Ranjjit Singh Ji said...people have to much ego attached with there jathebandi, and from what iv seen, taksaalis cant bear to hear anything but pro samprada.

Also instead of always runnin from discussions and gettin scared and asking for topics to be closed, why cant we discuss them openly like banday without ripping each others heads off?

to khoji, prove it

I dont undertsand the problem...Its not like he did nindya of a gursikh or anything...In His Personal Views Taksaal hasnt done anything, that doesnt mean he doesnt think that taksaalis are bad...I dun no about Dadrianwale but i mean jus lookin at the situation doesnt seem like a big deal...its like saying AKJ has done nothing for the panth or Nanaksar has done nothing for the panth, esentially the jatha bani hasnt but ppl who associated with it have (Sant Jarnail Singh Ji, Bhai Fauja Singh Ji, Baba Manochahal, Shaheed Bhai Sukhdev Singh Babbar, Bhai Sahib Bhai Randhir Singh Ji, and mannnnny manny more)

I think the people using SS Bhindranwale mean Shaheed Sant Bhindranwale...

Bhul Chuk Maaf,

WJKK WJKF

To bad he's not shaheed...

oops, back on topic!

wanna bet?

Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaj, is everything, he turns the world, lights the sun, makes me breathe, makes me cry, makes me lauph, makes me eat, makes me go to the loo...without My Guru who am i? notttaaa! I gave my head to dhan dhan sri guru granth sahib ji, and i wish that before i ever abondon my guru that i be killed

The Problem is we treat sikhi as a relegion...sikhi is not a relegion but yet a way of life, when you take amrit your head is guru sahibs, meaning that what guru sahib says is what goes...if we treated it like that we wouldnt get divisions....also 3rd parties have always been distorting maryada and this also causes tention....i think it was 15 jathedar of akaal takht that changed maryada from keski to kes, so know today there is so much confusion about it.

I know this might sound stupid. but why do we sleep?? i mean why cant we jus do abyaas all night?? What factor is it that makes our bodies want to rest...I mean it seems so pointless and iv tried to stay up at night and do abyaas but my body jus gets sooo tired

http://akj.org/skins/one/mr.php?shabadId=574

Wont work on my nokia n95...making me realy sad lol its workin on my frnds iphone but not my n95...i even tried using opera mini but still no luck...the blue screen shows up which lets me choose the letters but when i press search i can only see like 1 or 2 words of the results on the left side of the screen...its almost like my screens not in the right direction? I tried changing the zoom and everything but still no luck..anyone else having this problem or any ideas how to fix it??

EVERY single person that has said anything about the movement not being done by singhs of ANY jathebandi..go look at your self in a mirror and then slap yourself and then say why dont i go do it? and if you dont do it shut up:)

JAN NANAK DHOORR MANGAI THIS GURSIKH KEE JO AAP JAPAI AVAREH NAAM JAPAAVAI |2|

waheguruwaheguruwaheguruwaheguruwaheguruwaheguruwaheguruwaheguruwaheguruwaheguru

waheguruwaheguruwaheguru

waheguruwaheguruwaheguruwaheguruwaheguruwaheguruwaheguruwaheguruwaheguruwaheguru

waheguruwaheguruwaheguru

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=zwP-VI5fbxU&...feature=related

We Shud Try To Enjoy Simran This Much Too LOL

how stupid can ppl get

Fetah Ji,

Just wanted to know Sangats opinion on drying hair with a hair dryer as Sikhs can we do this ???

Dont worry aint been doing it ive recently kept my Kesh as its now getting longer its takes some time drying so can we cant we???

Fetah Ji

I dont think theres anything rong wit it, aslong as you keep your keski wit you and dont over due it so you casue y our hair to burn! but that would be commen scense lol

kaliaan mehalaa 5 |

gun naadh dhun anandh baedh |

kathath sunath mun janaa mil santh manddalee |1| rehaao |

giaan dhiaan maan dhaan man rasik rasan naam japath theh paap khanddalee |1|

jog jugath giaan bhugath surath sabadh thath baethae jap thap akhanddalee |

outh poth mil joth naanak kashoo dhukh n ddanddalee |2|2|5|

In the first line is the word baedh mean the vedas??

they are not shaheed, there still alive :vaheguru:

Your in denial

Yogi Harbhajan singh must be still proud of his "White team" he used to show of alot.

This what happens for not teaching them the correct path.

wjkk wjkf!

Oh come on now, now your slandering a man who actually did the reverse by taking a generation of drug addicts off intoxicants through Yoga and Sikhi. Their are far more examples of those coming off drugs than the one video of a Boy doing drugs as shown in the youtube video (which mind you makes no reference to 3HO)

I think theres a hint of prejudice against 3HO which is being exposed in this thread.

I have seen Brown "Singhs" smoke, do Bhangra (they're definitely going to hell now!), drink along with many other things. Its also not uncommon for so called "Gyanis" to be caught in cases of molestation or seen going to strip clubs, etc.

Now contrary to popular belief, these happenings are very common in the Punjabi community and sometimes these individuals belong to "Jathas" .... now are we willing to... or do we find it appropriate to label that entire Jatha?

If not, why are we doing it in this thread. I can guarantee you much worse things happen outside the 3HO community than inside.

Majority of the 3HO ppl do dance and do un gurmat things...taking off your kakkars while doing ANYTHING is wrong, even goin on a plane and taking your kirpan is rong, but is more understandable and more acceptable in socciety for some reason...and the fact that poeple keep defending these 3HO lots is disgusting, and to try to say well people in punjab are doing the same thing does mean anything, all it means is that in punjab there corrupt and so are these 3HO ppl. Majority of khalsa panth(REAL KHALSA) Would NEVER accept this kind of behavior.

Education and awareness of Raag should be supported by all the whole Panth, parallel with promoting Gurbani Santheya and knowledge of Sikh history. But whether Kirtan is done in Raag or non-Raag, the most important thing should be that the Sikhs does "Kirati" or praise of Akaal Purakh.

"but the tradition of simple tunes has been in the Panth since the beginning; hence the tradition of Chaunkees and JoTeean shabads. Similarly, Parbhaat Feree style Kirtan was initiated during the times of the Great Guru Sahibaans."

Please provide an historic reference for the above claim. Nagar Kirtans are not a puratan sikh tradition.

Again you fall tap to the same childish agreement – Raag Vs Nimrata. Your quote of teh raag is out of context – Maharaj is talking about haumai of those that practice raag and raag not being a means to an end in itself. He is not saying it shouldn't be used. I can quote equivalent Gurbani of Dasam Pita talking about those who feign meditation, does that mean that meditation is useless?

Re your selective 2^nd tuk, how do you reconcile this to Ad Guru Granth Sahib being structured around raag format? Obviously something lacking in your understanding of that tuk (maybe you should have posted the full shabd so the context could be seen).

Many people see 'nimrata' in following Maharajs kirtan maryada, rather than singing to bollywood and popular folk/bhangra tunes.

For the record, i don't judge Mahapurkh who used simple reetan, they did what they did for a reason and we are not able to question their choices today, so it is futile even bringing them into the debate. What we should concentrate on is why Guru Sahiban structured the whole Guru Granth Sahib around a meaningful raag framework and why 10^th Master composed his bani in over 700 raags (genius musicologist) in his granths. Why were these raags put in sirlek – in a position before the bani – does this not signify something important? Also, why is that the raagi/rababi tradition existed in Guru Sahibs Dargah (full tanti saaj and raag maryada) until everything changed when SGPC/Singh Sabha took control?

The great kirtan maryada tradition ended in affect with the death of the 127 year old great Sevapanthi Mahapurkh Baba Shaam Singh Ji – after his death the reformists took control.

I don't say that people with pure heart get no benefit from non-hukmi kirtan, as we know, it's innocence and love that matters above all. But those diamonds are far and few between. For the rest of us, Guru has given maryada and hukum to keep our egos and subservience in check. It's easier to follow Gurus instructions than jathaa trends.

YOUR BLOCKING OUT WHAT PEOPLE ARE SAYING AND JUST RAMBALING ON

vahiguroo u bhai sahib are a better Gursikh then me

but i havent said that sikhs shouldnt keep sarabloh bibek or do santhiya in larreevaar...in fact in slough the naujawan who have had santhiya are writting gurbaanee in lareevaar themselves...u should come see instead of attacking people on forums cos u dont like their views

and im pretty sure those youth having santhiya from baldeep singh are doing the same in midlands and a few of them are writing lareevaar

so our Guroo Sahibs didnt know what they were doing did they when they made taanti saaj??

and i fully support what Khalis said....raag isnt more important then the sabad but it is important... but i guess we all know more then our Guroos hunna....

Bhenji, Guru Sahib did create SOME tanti saaj, but what about rabab...That was a afghan instrument, and sarod, and sitar, and sarangi was from nepal, and theres so many more...Just like the waja, and plus u sing in pyaar your gonna get the same affect hunna?

as long as you dont drink it your fine lol...or use lassi

"the fundamental hukam of guroo sahib is naam japna nothing comes close to it"

Kalyug mein kirtan pardana......?

This comment is highly childish. We always have these kids playing off simran against kirtan, it is folly to compare the 2, they are one and the same - forms of meditation and worship of Akaal - there are numerous hukum in Gurbani to practice both.

"please can someone show me where in guroo granth sahib it says you HAVE to do kirtan in raag"

Bhai Sahib, after Jap Ji Sahib, try looking in the sirlek of everything single shabd thereafter!

I see the usual tuks in Guru's message re kirtan are being mis-quoted.

Guru Ji is talking of those who mis-use raag as a forms a worship in itself or those who have become hankaari over their knowledge of raag - this does not equate to 'following the authored sirlek is optional'.

Both nimrata and prem for Guru is most important. In kirtan, shabd is pardaan, the music, saaj etc is secondary, but that does not mean it is not important.

Today we have a pick and choose society, I will wear Guru's dummalla, wear Guru's chola, wera Guru's shastar, but i will do my own type of kirtan and not Guru's, nor will I use Guru's saaj!!

Problem is personality worship. What mahapurkh did/do is their choice and its their journey. A Sikh of the Guru should always keep Guru on the highest pedestal - otherwise cults and divisions are created.

The basis of todays AKJ/Sant style kirtan started in the late 1800s when missioneries started a heavy conversion drive in Punjab using the all new introduced Austrian harmonium (because they could not match the skilled and artistic Raagis and Rababis of the Guru who used much more highly developed and beautiful saaj). They sung in Punjabi and in folk/rural style many hymns and spoke in between (kathaa). The great Sants such as Attar Singh Ji Maharaj, countered this mission by adopting their saaj (vaaja) and singing shabd in the same folk/rural style, creating katha-kirtan (dhaarna) which was adopted later by Baba Ishar Singh Ji, Baba Jarnail Singh Ji etc.

Bhai Randhir Singh Ji, Sant Sujan Singh Ji etc also adopted this simple sant style of kirtan (not dhaarna) as it was easy to learn 9didn't need years of dedicated training) and was by now popular amongst the rural communities in Punjab.

Bhai Mardana's kuls Rababis were kicked out of Darbar Sahib in the reforms, the British gifted the all new Sikh management with a golden Vaaja - and the professional and dedicated Raagis were replaced with amateur, cheaply hired kirtani quickly trained on the vaaja. 2 plus one tabla player replaced the older style kirtan jathaas which used to number at least 10 kirtani playing all types of santi saaj, jori etc.

It's hard to break away from traditions which we have been brought up on or are popular in our jathaa or our role models have used. But if one becomes a Khalsa - then they should attempt to learn Khalsa traditions as best as they can. Yesterday, times were hard (after 1850), today we have all the resources and time under the sun.

Dasmesh de parkash divaas diyaan lakh lakh vadiyan.

I guess great sikhs like you are higher than Mahapurkhs like bhai sahib bhai jeevan singh ji and bhai sahib bhai randhir singh ji and bhai sahib bhai amolak singh ji and GREAT mahapurkhs..Also simran and kirtan are not the same because what does gurbani tell you to do? Simran, Nam jap, Raam Simmer, so how can you say that there the same when one is telling you to do the other?

Dhannaa:

O Lord of the world, this is Your lamp-lit worship service.

You are the Arranger of the affairs of those humble beings who perform Your devotional worship service. ||1||Pause||

Lentils, flour and ghee - these things, I beg of You.

My mind shall ever be pleased.

Shoes, fine clothes, and grain of seven kinds - I beg of You. ||1||

A milk cow, and a water buffalo, I beg of You,

and a fine Turkestani horse.

A good wife to care for my home

- Your humble servant Dhanna begs for these things, Lord. ||2||4||

Someone please expand on this shabad, Im quite confused but i mean forget the english meanings even if you read in gurmukhi the arth is the same. I dont understand??