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I was watching the Rajya Sabha proceedings myself yesterday and it was obvious maggots in BJP and Congress just didnt want the law to get passed by hook or crook. Because corruption IS their SOURCE of income.

1 more thing we can learn from this saga is.

EVEN WHEN THE RIGHT PERSON WITH THE RIGHT INTENTIONS comes in into India politics to do something productive, the corrupt are hell bent on NOT allowing it to happen, even if it benefits the public.

Lesson: Biggest democracy in the world is also the example of titanic failure of democracy.

These guys are so predictable now. Each time the Sikhs seem to be getting a dim hope of global support for their cause, these gutter worms come up with the same old "Sikh terrorist" fiasco to turn the tide in their favor.

Evil 101

Propaganda = Repeat a lie enough times, and everyone will BELIEVE its the truth.

But then choose what kind of lie?

The word "terrorist" & "terrorism" is a perfect way to DEFINE you opponent to DE-legitimize your opponent from ANY FORM OF RIGHTS, platform & representation anywhere in the world to have their voice heard.

Arnab Goswami was calling Baba Jarnail Singh a terrorist who kioned hands with Pakistan on Times Now the other day. Majority of Indian will never blame the army as its seen as being "unpatriotic" :stupidme:

There I was thinking. What did Baba jee do to TERRORIZE ? How did he TERRORIZE from Darbar Sahib?

Btw, I hope Maggie is rotting in hell for her role in 84.

No wonder the troll went cuckoo towards the end of her life. Karma :respect:

I have been to both taksali shop, if they know you're a from abroad. They try to rip you more.

Shop number 31 is dhumma owned .

http://www.sikhsiyasat.net/2014/01/07/patna-sahib-clash-six-including-giani-iqbal-singh-injurred-kashmira-singh-bhuriwale-among-7-named-in-fir/

Patna Sahib, Bihar (January 07, 2014): According to certain media reports at least four persons, including Jathedar of Takht Sri Harimandir Ji, Patna Sahib, Gyani Iqbal Singh; his son Gurprakash Singh; a member of ‘Panjy Payre’ Guru Dayal Singh and one Gurjeet Singh – were injured in a clash between two opponent factions following a dispute over appointment a Jathedar of Takht Patna Sahib.

The Hindustan Times (HT) has reported that 4 persons sustained injuries in this incident, where as Zee News and some other media networks have reported that 6 persons were injured in this clash. The violent clash took place at Diwan hall in Takht Sahib premises, which falls under Chowk police station of Patna on Tuesday.

Giani Iqbal Singh talking to media after the incident

The incident took place today (January 07, 2014) on the occasion of 347th Parkash Gurpurb of Guru Gobind Singh Ji.

Guru Gobind Singh Ji was born on January 7, 1666 at Patna Sahib in Bihar. People in large numbers from across the world had reached Patna Sahib to participate in Parkash Gurpurb Samagams.

As per information the violent clash took place at around 9 am soon after the announcement of the fresh nomination of additional Jathedar of Takht Sahib as Pratap Singh, head granthi of Nader Sahib. The two groups clashed soon after the announcement.

Patna SSP Manu Maharai said, on the basis of the statement of Giani Iqbal Singh and others, FIR has been lodged against Kashmira Singh ‘Bhuriwale’ from Punjab and six others in this connection. “The matter is being investigated,” he added. The injured have been admitted to hospital.

“Keeping in mind that the grand celebration of Guru Maharaj and thousands of devotees from different states and overseas had gathered at Patna Sahib, it was quite unfortunate. It would send a bad image of the city and the state as the whole program was being telecast live on electronic media in the whole world,” said Manindar singh, a devotee from Singapore.

Iqbal Singh, 55, said that he was shocked to know how the Prabandhak committee nominated additional ‘Granthi’ without taking my consent. “As I stood up, around 150 persons allegedly from Punjab, suddenly attacked us with swords and lathis and even pushed me from the stage along with my son,” said Giani Iqbal Singh

Takht general secretary, Charanjeet Singh said, “I had not removed jathedar Iqbal Singh and we want an additional ‘Jathedar’. Pratab Singh, of Nader Sahib, has a good experience and qualifications for the post. In fact, we need seven to 10 ‘Granthis’ for 350th celebration’,” he added.

Its all over the news and also YouTube. Guess what, now Indian media is at the forefront reporting this but it was pretty much dead during Bhai Gurbaksh Singh Khalsa ji's hunger strike.

Keeping your irritation with the Indian media 1 side.

Such things are just unacceptable at a Takht Sahib.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/videos/news/Scuffle-between-two-factions-inside-Patna-gurudwara/videoshow/28510427.cms

type in singh transexual in google search and see it for yourself..!! I aint getting my mouth dirty to go over the list..!!

If I listened to you and started "googling" fishy things, then what difference is there between me and you. Am not going to bother to do so nor am I interested in whatever article/pic/audio/video is there you are trying to get me to search. Let others who do it, see it by themselves, what YOU google for in REAL LIFE ...and come over to sikhsangat and become a "preachy gyani".

I have to say..... the amount of crap in your head has increased exponentially over the past 10 years.

We have two extremes in the panth when it comes to sikh woman, which have affected both singhani and singhs- one extreme is singhanis influenced by western feminism and other extreme is singhs effected by machoism/tribalism in the panth- taliban/ wa habi mentality. Both extremes are wrong and are not accepted in Gurmat.

Best example in Gurmat, how gristh gursikh couple should be is of example of - bhagat kabir and mata loi. We can all strive for that.

405 charitars talk about cunning ways of both men and women. If you think the tales are all about women. Please read it again.

There are many underlining issues when it comes to singhani getting hold of power grip, singhs getting hold of power grip- they both want control over one another and after control one can easily fall into abusing the control/power be it verbal/physical/emotional all for keeping their ego/pride alive as they feel insecure otherwise/have inferiority complex.

There are plenty of examples singhani using their cunning ways to have control/survival, use various manmat manupalutive tactics to divide and rule and there are plenty of example singhs in marriage treat their women like crap- verbal abuse their women, beat their women, rape them- sodomize them in their marriage, think women are just baby making machines and slaves.

Both so called singh and singhani are slaves of panj chor- kam, krodh, lob, moh, ahankar whether we like it or not..time to suck up the truth...they continue to become slaves hide behind fancy terms- inequality, maya, control, ego pride to prove their manhood, and we continue to box them into feminism, machoism, taliban mentality, right wing, left wing etc. These are good terms for understanding purposes but crux or root of issue is panj choor- kaam, krodh, lob, moh, ahankar effecting all until one have become real khalsa/bhramgyani (its clearly defined in sarbloh granth).

The reason other groups were bought is to give people reality check or to set the record straight because some kid decided to jump the gun bought its personal vedentta against 3ho on here, whereas this thread had nothing to do with it, as op turned out to be singhani from akj.

I have many examples of many scandals/abuse stories/horror stories of people/members of various groups. If i start listing them here, it will blow the socks out of people..But i won't because i understand group have nothing to do with it, it all comes down to human hiding its own weakness behind group ...living their life in panj chor/vices (kaam, krodh, lob, moh, ahankar) to legitimize themselves-self righteousness/their ego pride.

Hopefully, we are done with this monkey circus- blaming group/sex game and take this issue for what it is which is human affected by panj chor- kaam, krodh, lob, moh, ahankar.

seriously :blink2: anyone who knows you well, would know not to :tease: buy :tease: you "stories" & self indulgent post seriously. But, yeah ..thats if they know about you well :cool2:

Gurvah,

You remind of the dummies I have met who's first answer to why there shouldn't be a Khalistan is that 'Pakistan will invade and annex it'. When's the last time a country has invaded another and annexed it?

These people and you have one thing in common and that is a closed mind and an unwillingness to do research to find out whether your reasons against Khalistan have any merit.

I suppose you are aware that international conventions exist which allow land locked countries THE RIGHT to access the sea through transit states by all means of transport. Do you also know that commercial airlines also have a similar right to overfly over different countries. But you already knew that because you've done all the research before coming on here haven't you?

Most people who want freedom for their nation usually get emotional. Did I write that someone is going to give us Khalistan on a platter? if not then why did you write that? Khalistan will only come about when the majority of Sikhs in Punjab want it,

I would have thought 99.9999% of people in the world don't have the necessary skills to administer a country. So what's your point?

Here's the vicious circle that people like you do not understand

India treats Punjab like a colony and strips its natural resources... Sikhs in Punjab demand Khalistan.. Govt murders an entire generation and turn the rest into drug addicts.. fools on internet claim 'how can you have Khalistan when the Punjab is a mess'

If you don't even know about the atrocities or disregard them because of the above then you need to look at yourself and not point fingers at others.

keep dreaming :angeljump:

Khalistan will never come into existance even in your great grandchildrens lifetime...what to talk about in your lifetime :stupidme:

I know..thats what i m saying bro..if you would have attach yourself fully to naam, bani, seva or immerse yourself in naam abhyas..you won't get bored by me at the first place....does that make sense now?

I have no issues witn Naam and Bani, I wonder why you like to come to your own wild conclusions? Its not like you have a great jeevan and puts Gurbani's essence into practice in your dailly life.(obvious from your deeds from the past that I am aware of)

unlike you I dont waste year after year of my life on forums , to fill the "hollowness" in your own soul by 'finding debates' on forums to lecture others on a daily basis. You are still the same pathetic forum addict as you were years ago. Your only modus operandi is "try to innovate stinging sarcasm" to direct at others & builds up lenghty arguement to bury other peoples perspective.

seems like without forums you may well fall into depresion.....sigh, addicts :stupidme: :stupidme: :stupidme:

People here seem to think that being a landlocked country not disadvantage at all.

When you are land locked>>>>you depend on your neighbours for access to their land & air space>>>>very vital for the the economy, for trade & commerce with countries around the world.

Being dependant on India and Pakistan for this is not ideal, as they will forever use this card to make us give into their demands.

People here genuinely think for the long term. And I continously talk about the economy because self empowerment is vital. Punjabis cant even manage Gurughars properly, what to talk about nation?

Kudos to LegalSingh for countering what I can only class as the Uncle Toms on this forum.

If you listen to the speeches of Sant Bhindranwale, he constantly gave example after example of why the Sikhs are slaves in India. This is prior to Bluestar, Woodrose, the genocide of Sikhs across India and the fake encounters of Sikh youth. Now what was the reason for him to do all this? It was because of the uncle toms among the Sikhs who would come up with a thousand and one excuses to explain away the discrimination the Sikhs suffered.

Unfortunately for some people here, having a whole generation of Sikh youth murdered is not enough of a reason to want the future generations to be safe and secure in Khalistan. No is asking anyone to pick up an AK47 and go to India. All you need is to get rid of your slavish mentality and everything else will fall into place. Do you think that if the Sikhs of Punjab had the same josh as that which was displayed in London on Sunday that Badal would be in power today? The same slavish mentality on display here is what has kept the Punjab from having a decent leadership and for making progress to becoming Khalistan.

The Sikhs of Punjab have at least got a excuse to have a slavish mentality. They have suffered a genocidal campaign from the India state. The young are brainwashed to think of themselves as Indians when they have nothing in common with people who live less than 300 miles away let along a 1000 miles away. The media constantly brands anyone who believes in Khalistan as a terrorism. YET I have come across many Sikhs from India online who though they have been through all the mass brainwashing, they still have come to the conclusion that Khalistan is a must for Sikhs. Compare those Sikhs who have refused to be brainwashed by both the educational system and the media with the Uncle Toms who have access to the most unbiased sources of what the Sikhs suffered and yet they come up with a thousand and one reasons for why Khalistan should not come about.

But what excuse have the Neos and the fancy bananas on this forum have. Nations who have suffered 1/10th of what the Sikhs have suffered yet they still strive for independence. Nations that have not even suffered a massacre yet they still want to to be independence. Scotland gets from from the UK than they put in, yet a significant minority of the Scots want independence. Yet on here we have people who know full well that a generation of Sikhs was destroyed and the survivors are being turned into drug addicts. I could understand if after the massacres the Indian government had pumped money and investment into Punjab and turned Jalandhar into a Bangalore or Ludhiana into a NOIDA. But they didn't, not only did they murder our brothers, rape our sisters, they now want us to pay for the privilege! Punjab is saddled by debts going back to the movement days. No wonder the typical Indian consider the Sikhs as fools and only fit to be laughed at.

If an Indian government official was to see what drivel some of the uncles Toms on here have written, he would think that the Sikhs don't care how we treat them, they will still remain fools and argue whether there should be a Khalistan or not. Do you think that if the situation heats up again the government wont use the same tactics as before given how many Uncle Toms still exist in our nation.

You get emotional and riled up for Khalistan just on the basis that , "we were wronged by Indian Gov, So we deserve Khalistan" . Your basis itself is "not enough".Wake up and smell the coffee and stop being a joker, NO ONE IN TODAYS WOLRD WILL FEEL SORRY FOR YOU AND HAND DOWN KHALISTAN ON A SILVER PLATTER TO YOU(a minority) JUST BECAUSE THEY "FELL" YOUR PAIN AND SELF DETERMINATION FOR NATIONHOOD. It doesnt happen in the real world driven by self interest mate! Re-read my 1st post and think on the points I raised.

Ask youself, do the Sikhs DESERVE it today? (I am well informed of indian attrocities on us) But if people like on this forum were to administer khalistan, it will be a failed state with a mismanaged economy with no developement and high employment, agriculture nation lacking in natural resources, with no skills in wealth creation(under educated population). Oh wait, THIS IS WHAT PUNJAB IS TODAY! :surrender: :surrender: :surrender:

I would say Number 2 is your strongest Point, the rest happens in every other country apart from 6 and 8

happens in every country, but minimal is well administered country.(politically and economy wise) punjab is just out of hand.

I didn't realize you would still feel bored after 10 years of your life in sikhi, i thought during 10 years you would attach yourself to naam, bani, seva that you wouldn't get bored at all..!!

and you are still hovering in forums(after yearssss) finding enlightenment? :stupidme:

since you happen to have R-E-A-D-I-N-G difficulties...will re-quote my self:..

Its interesting how you alway manage to device 'logical' arguements to justify your ILLOGICAL beliefs to defend a dera-cult(neeldhari) yet again.....sigh, you bore me with the same manner as you did 10 years ago...

No one is denying hakum isn't important. But there are plenty of hakums in sri guru granth sahib ji no one talks about them or discuss them or pay any attention to them or follow them. That should be our main target.

There are lot of hakums to follow in gurbani, there is nothing wrong with saint at higher stage- prioritizing list of hakums to be followed 24/7 based on main essence of gurbani/sikhi sidhant or purpose which is naam, prem, seva, sat, santokh, dya, gyan and samdrishti which is relevant in all stages of one's jeevan.

Its interesting how you alway manage to device 'logical' arguements to justify your ILLOGICAL beliefs to defend a dera-cult(neeldhari) yet again.....sigh, you bore me with the same manner as you did 10 years ago...

The closest allies I can see are Sikhs in places like Singapore, Malaysia and Australia. The further ones I would say Germany, UK, Canada, possibly even USA. So now some more cards on the table, what else do we brainstorm about?

No Country in the world will build alliance with you unless you will benefit them in one way or another. Politics 101.

I honestly feel Khalistan should be among the last states formed once India starts breaking up and not the first. Hang on, the reason I say this is because I cannot comprehend a bloody holocaust that is a combination of the tragedies Sikhs have already faced in 1947 and 1984, i.e. a holocaust that is worse than both these previous ones. Think about it, when other states have already broken away on the basis of language or culture or whatever reason, people would have become used to the idea of freedom and of various distinct identities. In fact, for the first time ever Indians may (just may) start respecting each other's diversity, and could (for once) dispose off the retarded notion that we're first Indian and then Hindu/Muslim/Sikh/Christian. In such an atmosphere, the rise of Khalistan as a sovereign Sikh state will be looked upon with acceptance by other Indians as they too would have broken off by then.

Wait, I am not saying Sikhs should be a scared minority fearing for their lives, fearing bloodshed, fearing loss of property and wealth etc. No, we've been through the worst already. What I am saying is that once Khalistan arises in the midst of an entity that is already going through a "subcontinent spring" (such as the Arab Spring, lol), the mindset of the general masses would have changed, and it wouldn't be what it was like in 1947 or 1984 (just a speculation added with wishful thinking for a country like India).

I would also want Pakistan broken as they cannot be trusted for a single day once Khalistan has become a reality. West Punjab can remain an entity separate from Khalistan but it should not be Pakistan. Sindh, Baluchistan, Pakhtunkhwa should all be independant entities, thereby lessening the chances of a larger Pakistan causing any trouble for us in future. They might be our Punjabi brothers, but these same Punjabi "brothers" have shown their warm brotherhood to us in 1947 and all those wars they had with India. So its better if their power is comparatively reduced than it is now, for our own good. You don't want the red-capped Jaahil Hameed jumping towards Khalistan moaning Ghazwa-E-Hind on the top of his voice.

mostly youngsters sitting in western countries have strong fantasies of khalistan...

Though i supported it in the past....being PRACTICAL now & reflecting on long term survival......the current model of khalistan sounds absurd to me. Why?

1)Sikhs are minority in punjab itself. Punjabis have drifted away from sikhi .(Live a proper 2-3 months in punjab to understand this point). So, a Sikh state with Sikhs being a minority? (5 Piare system will not and cannot be possible, as the authority wont be recognized) Seculars will rule, Sikhi will take a back seat.

2) A land locked country- will make trade difficult affecting the economy, leaving us with a poor economy. Not to mention lack of natural resources. Along with the under-educated current population. The sad thing is, Punjab was an agriculture society and still is one. This is the very reason Sikhs/Punjabis move out of India/Punjab alltotgether for greener postures abroad.

3)Punjabis/Sikh have endless bickering habbits with endless backbitting as we see in punjab.With such prevailing traits and senseless politicking, countries rarely develope vibrant economies. e.g: India (compared to China)

4)Corruption is deep rooted in desis,a progresive economy is not possible with hardcore corruption habbits.

5) Instability will be prevalent, with various Sikh "sectarianism" around.....they will also compete againts each other for political dominance/power. Lets be honest, people from various groups can even get along well on Sikhsangat, what to talk of in a Sikh state(?!?!?!).

6) Delhi Gurdwaras, Patna Sahib and Hazoor Sahib will be seperated from Panth permanantly. Whichever goverment controls it geographically will also control in politically, causing production of dubious hukamnamas and conflicts. Not to mention the Panth severe difficulties for doing yatra there.

7)Clowns sitting in western countries who talk about Khalistan(and ussually the only ones), if Khalistan is formed, majority wont move to it in the first place, who wants to leave the perks of developed western countries have to offer? (and move to a country whose major economy is still agriculture)

list is endless,,,shall I continue?

8) The only proper place & Organized in Punjab is Chandigarh, that too is run by Central Gov. Shows lack of leadershil and resolve in Punjabis. Even if there is resolve to bring change, there is no MONEY because corruption eats it away.

Ofcourse people are going to hate me, but I am just being PRACTICAL. do reflect on my points and reality..

Deep down I do hope the Khalsa Raaj Bhai Rama Singh jee talk about in his Autobiography comes true....

_{Also I forgot to add when the Neeldhari sect leader got this Hukam from Sant Harnaam Singh ji in recent years, Sant Satnaam Singh ji did ardas before Satguru Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji Maharaj and then did ardas before Sant Harnaam Singh ji Kile wale. So what was Satguru Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji Maharaj lacking that ardas had to be done before Sant Harnaam Singh ji Kile wale. And to add more fuel to the fire, it was Sant Harnaam Singh ji Kile wale that answered the ardas of Sant Satnaam Singh ji to take up kirpan, Dastar, and Amrit. Plus they say Sant Harnaam Singh ji never sat on a seat as authority, but look at the ardas being done and the orders being given by him. A man that does not take a position of authority will say follow the Hukam given in 1699, why are you looking at my hand.}

_{You don't need a high powered head lights to see what is actually going on here. All you need is a lighter.}

Neeldharis are a minority, their children have now started to marry outside of the Neeldhari circles....One thing about them is that they are very loaded with $$$(especially the ones in Thailand,Malaysia & Singapore) because many of them are bussines owners. They have money but enjoy no recognition,respect or influence in the Panth.Because they are primarily seen as a cult. They claim to believe in Sree Guru Granth Sahib Jee but have many questionable practices.

Their Neeldhari 'Guru'(Satnaam Sinh) who JUST took amrit in 2011 at Maharaja Gardens(Thai headquarters) in Bangkok whereby Takht Jathedaars(corrupt) were flown in to organize and give amrit their Baba and the followers. Surprisingly, their head NOW goes by the title >>>SANT JOGI SATNAAM Singh Jee<<< . Its amazing how he elevated himself to such avastha just right after amrit sanchar. :blink2: :blink2: :blink2:

Now their Baba is very closely alligned to Badals in Punjab......can be seen sharing stages wit Badal regularly. They also seem to have bought over Iqbal Singh of Patna. Because Iqbal Sio sucks up to Satnaam Singh sooooooooooooooooo much that he awarded him a Puratan Sree Sahib from treasury of of Takht Sree Patna Sahib.(info is confirmed)

2 good virtues I have seen in them is reading gurbani and sewa. But having heard the katha done by their baba Satnaam Sinh,...even their interpretation of gurbani is fishy to me...... he seemed to indicate(indirectly) throughout the katha that HE IS THAT SANT MENTIONED IN GURBANI, THAT WE NEED TO DO SANGAT AND SEEK GUIDANCE FROM :stupidme: :stupidme: :stupidme:

The amount of time "certain" people waste on this forum is enough to do 1 Paath of Sri Sukhmani Sahib a day. ....not to mention the infinite amount of bakwaas that manifest. sigh! am out of this forum for good.

I have a question. Many Gursikhs say Amritdhari should eat from another amritdhari. I don't mean to be rude or arrogant but then how come sahibzades took milk from Baba Moti Mehra Ji?

Moti Mehra was a Sikh of Guru Sahib. There is nothing wrong taking milk from another rehitvaan Sikh.

Great loss to gurmat sangeet vidya, all in all ..great saint..kept it to himself..RIP.!!

He calls someone who considers himself EQUAL to SatGuroo Nanak Dev jee as "saint". :stupidme:

genuine low life!!!

I received a intimidation/threat type post by my fellow member on this forum. Anything is being logged/noted regarding that so that you guys can keep close eye? I don't want you guys to put that member under moderation ban him or anything like that as i stand by regarding freedom to post/express views. I can handle this matter on my own, but if it does get vicious in over time. I may be pursuing legal means against this individual which i may need your help indentify ip address just giving heads up in advance.

I didnt threaten to harm you, it is very clear from Kamalroops facebook wall how you copy and paste his manmat and promote it HERE. How you echo support for that nang is also visible on his wall. I am just exposing your mindset & alliance.

Now that videos of him are around, you try to distance yourself from him.

Hope the admins are clear to you, NO more kamalroop promoting here. :nono: (and exposing him for me)

I visit this site, sikhnet, sikhchic etc. Why the useless complaining of "oh they're like this, they're like that" nonsense? You don't like their articles, don't read them, what's the OP's credentials? Who cares.

People like me know what they spread is manmat. People who are uninformed of Gurmat get influenced by it because these manmukhs TRY to sound sincere,logical and convincing to them. Which leads them to the wrong path.

If there are hackers on this site, I suggest hacking such sites is just a Panthic Seva....so hack!

What does has to do with anything? I am sorry i don't see any link? I am not disputing immense pyaar between two gurmukhs.

Its a difference not kurehit. In your head, you braind registers Taksals version of rehraas as "right". In other people mind the one done in Darbar Sahib is "right". Can your silly argurments change the reality?

I know of a Bhai Sahib's sangi who was present there, he told me of their close relationship. You need links because your a keyboard warrior.

A patit is someone who had not taken amrit and freely commit all/any of thr 4 bajjar kurehits that alone is enough to not allow one to do sewa in Darbar Sahib. and stop straying the topic...this thread is about Javinder Singh not reading Choupee Sahib

Don't swing too much..i m sure you know its manmat. No he hasn't possessed me. Look seriously, i am just pointing out dangers of bhausaria mindset thats all..i m sure you feel the same way against niddar sanatan sikhi (which i also feel same way).

How is Bhasauri a danger now?when his ideology heresy has died down with him.

No one alive I know follows Bhasauria word by word, if you know, can you show me?

Not sure why your sensors are too high?

I dont like you because you hate in a very toxic way.(and your darn smart on showing a nice face to the world)

how come you don't say anything against teja singh bhausaria? or bhausaria mindset?

His teachings died with him. Period. and he died a beymukh from Khalsa Panth.

Can you show me a group of people are ardently still follow all of his heretic ideologies??? There is NO ONE.Even missionaries dont admire him. You also fail to acknowledge the good work he did before he went cuckoo.(which shows ur inability to be 'balanced')

What is your agenda? Who is that you refer to when you invoke Bhasauria'ism? comes clean with your answers.

He didnt believe in Ragmala when he was panthic and also believed in Keshki as Kakkar, I have no doubt you are trying to paint AKJ(without being obvious to the public) are Bhasaurias. Being hatefull towards AKJ is just in your nature.

I don't think asking a patit (depends on your definition i don't define patit who is mona but rather who have broken amrit have gone patit) to do swaie is more severe violation than - shorten chaupi sahib - whether he did intentionally or unintentionally- needs to be seen in investigation. This is not a first time this happened.

Can you ask Baba Gurbachan Singh then why did he Partake langgar/water from Bhai Sahib Randher Singh's house , when he himself visited him in his Ludhiana town house? Bevcause Bhai Sahib did the same Rehraas as darbar sahib too.

Taksal gursikhs are entitled to believe their interpretation but groups are a minority and will forever remain a minority.(Nanaksar, sampardaik, akj and so on) I choose to abide by the panth when in Doubt. :smile2:

and yes, why are you :swing: swinging :swing: on the word "Bhasauria" on a daily basis here? has he possessed :angry2: you?

I don't think asking a patit (depends on your definition i don't define patit who is mona but rather who have broken amrit have gone patit) to do swaie is more severe violation than - shorten chaupi sahib - whether he did intentionally or unintentionally- needs to be seen in investigation. This is not a first time this happened.

WOW!

New age robotic cultish youths attitude arguing with each other regarding nitnem banis:

Yo yo i just read panj banis at amrit vela, your maryada is malech/ferengi etc vs yo yo i am following takth sahib maryada- read 3 baniyas stop being anti panthic, stop following dera maryada

Gyani swings by gives them updesh- both you guys are idiots- you guys have only gargled gurbani nitneem patt (medicine) not fully taken it inside:

To be honest your statement above very much reflects yourself only.