Avastha

A Sikh is a "learner"... not a "learnt".

Did he? :S

I was quite shocked when i saw this too. Rest of the video is good though and is great that BBC chose Sikhism to encourage interfaith tolerance.

I was also annoyed because he called Guru Ji "Holy Book". On a lot of Sikh websites, Guru Ji is called "Holy Book", but he should have elaborated on the fact that Guru Ji is more than just a "book".

I also know that he does wrong parchaar - his views are a little twisted. Surprisingly he is supported by some known groups and jathas even though they know what hes like :S

Nope i been told this is the official site run from the UK :-)

It seems to back online anyway

Dont mean to be offensive

But the poster could have been designed better as in the past the atamras posters looked really good?!

Its not a criticism but a suggestion

I second that.

Also, if a kirtani wasnt going to be turning up, the sangat should have been informed BEFORE the program started.

Just some suggestions, that being said, Bani is Bani whether its sung by a granthi or a super dooper raagi.

firstly theres a big problem with terminology our community keeps using

FORCED conversions hardly happen in the Uk, however conversion by grooming does

secondly grooming isn't exactly a crime, simply because its very difficult to prove and there is consent involved.

so we can't rely on the police for 'evidence'

nihal picked on these points and used them against the Sikh callers

I agree

Maybe if Sikhs on the whole nowadays stopped doing so much dikhaavaa and *edited* and concentrated on their education, we would have some excellent modern day young Sikh scholars like we did in the past and have at the present in our older generation.

He just looks evil. But that being said, innocent until proven guilty. Please keep us posted on this story.

I have been quite neutral on camps etc for a while... but now i agree totally : SIKH STUDENT CAMP must be stopped now.

Enough is enough of this charade. However, we need another totally neutral organisation to take up the seva of organising camps for beginniners. Khalsa Camp is fantastic at boosting spirituality and it can be quite advanced stuff... Sikhi Camp is great for people who are new into Sikhi but there is no camp like Sikh Student camp for encouraging moneh etc to take up Gursikhi in their lives. Sikh Student Camp has had its chance and its failed. Its failed to bring in the right parchaaraks and balance the level of "chilling" and "seva, simran, sangat" which there is hardly none of. Even if there is, its not a priority.

So i support the motion to get rid of this camp.. but we need something in its place.

Beatiful and very inspirational... thanks

vwihgurU nwm jhwj hY cVHy so auqry pwr [ jo srDw kr syvdy pwr auqwrnhwr [

KMfw jwky hwQ mY klgI sohy sIs ] so hmrI riKAw krY klgIDr jgdIS ]

The first part of the Dohraa is Guru Gobind Singh Jee's pavitar bachan recorded in BHAI PRAHLAAD SINGH JEE's Rehitnaama and also written later on in the late 1800s in Giani Gian Singh's "Tvareekh Guru Khalsa" and "Panth Prakaash":

AwigAw BeI Akwl kI qbY clwXo pMQ [

sB isKn ko hukm hY gurU mwnIE gRMQ [

gurU gRMQ jI mwnIE pRgt gurW kI dyh [

jo pRB ko imlbo cihh Koj sbd mih lyh [

"As was ordained by the Timeless, thus was established the Panth.

To all Sikhs, let this be the order, recognize the Granth as your Guru

The reverend Guru Granth is the visible body of the gurus

Those that seek to meet with Vaaheguru, delve into the Shabad"

The second part of the Dohraa is Guru Gobind Singh Jee's pavitar bachan recorded in BHAI NAND LAL SINGH JEE's Tankhaahnaama.

rwj krygw Kwlsw AwkI rihh n koie [

Kwr hoie sB imlYNgy bcih Srn jo hoie [

"The Sikh people shall remain free and sovereign, always, non-challenging this position. For, all shall realize, after bitter frustration, that there is no redemption except in the way of the life that the Khalsa upholds!"

There are some minor differences in some words in the various sources which have recorded Guru Gobind Singh jee's bachan used in the Dohraa which we sing, due to the language and writing style of the scriber. However, the ESSENCE and MESSAGE is all the SAME.

You missed this one :

DOES ANYBODY NOE IF BABA BALJIT SINGH DADU SAHIB WALE ARE IN THE UK BECAUSE I THOUGHT I SAW THEM STANDING OUTSIDE SMETHWICK GURDWARA SAHIB????

IF THEY R IN THE UK NYBODY HAVE TIMES ND DATES??????

Yes they are in the UK as they did kirtan in Gurdwara Karamsar, Ilford last night. They said they were still here for 5 more weeks. No idea where else they are going to be doing kirtan.

As they say that they are amongst those that leading the campaign against, the Saucha Suda Dera;, should they not focus there energy and time in India, rather than come on a tour of the UK. Sant Baba Ranjit, cancelled their tour.

This is not to say that i do not recognise, the tremondous amount of panthic work that Baba Baljit Singh, has been undertaking. If he is here for a 'break' that is fine, i.e. to re-charge himself, however if he is here to collect money, l disagree with that.

Was Baba

The Sacha Saudha Dera issue is an international world-wide concern - therefore some travelling abroad to gain support and resources may be required. If you have any issues or need more information, Baba Ji is in the UK so please direct your queries to him directly.

Reminds of when Maharaj says in Gurbani...

jb hm hoqy qb qum nwhI Ab qum hhu hm nwhI ]

jab ham hothae thab thum naahee ab thum hahu ham naahee ||

When I was, then You were not; now that You are, I am not.

When i said "I" Maharaj, i had forgotten you. How could I find you when I didnt even remember you.

But now Maharaj, now that all "I" think of is you... there is no "I"... all there is... is you.

yeh sure, anyway people, radha soami's are not Sikhs anyway so leave em to rot...!

Life originates only from life. A living Master and no one else can transmit a life-impulse to others. The sages and seers have always emphasized that Naam should be made manifest within by whoever may be able to do it; and then the experience obtained from the competent Master-soul must be developed.

Go wherever thou wilt to get contact with the DivineLink,

And then with the grace of the Guru develop this experience.

140

GURU NANAK

All are engaged in the repetition of names,

But one gets to Naam only through the grace of a Master-saint.

140

GURU AMAR DAS

http://www.ruhanisatsangusa.org/naam/contents.htm

this is website from SAnt kirpal singh, i'm not his follower or believer, but i'm at the BEAS side, baba gurinder singh dhillon....but the teachings are very strate and writtten on websites, READ AND get it into your heads...if u wanna be a sikh, be a proper sikh

Waheguru ji ka Khalsa

waheguru ji ki fateh

What happened with the guy from France who got blasted by the Federation secratary? Harbinder Singh went a bit too far to blast him like that, but the guy was a bit wrong for going on there and saying that stuff about the kirpaan... he said it was a waste of time organising that major rally in France that happened a while back - because the Singhs would not take off their kirpaanaa to enter the government building.

I heard this song and some of the lyrics reminded me of the each of the vices... have a read :

It's a thief in the night

To come and grab you

It can creep up inside you

And consume you

A disease of the mind

It can control you

It's too close for comfort

Turn on your break lights

We're in the city of wonder

Ain't gonna play nice

Watch out, you might just go under

Better think twice

Your train of thought will be altered

So if you must faulter be wise

Your mind is in disturbia

It's like the darkness is the light

Disturbia

Am I scaring you tonight

Your mind is in disturbia

Ain't used to what you like

Disturbia

lol right back atchya :D

I understand rupinder singhs comments and concerns about the comedy thing. theres a sense of imaturity about it, especially if its anything like you tube video of the silly boliyan by the young akj walay.

Kool. Dont attend the event then. Simple

Bhaji/Bhenji

You do seem very worked up, it's not good for you. If you look at my post objectively and without bias you will see what I'm saying makes sense. I'm not asking them to accomodate me, far from it, I want them to accomodate Sikhi. I never said they shouldn't go out, I said it shouldn't be the be all and end all. When looking in it seems this is all they do. That is not the impression you want to give. Too many Sikh organisations that mean well get caught up in trying to get numbers, which is important but quality comes first. It's good bibiya are getting sangat between themselves, but they should be able to get together for Sikhi tor te galla too.

I'm sorry if I upset you, and hope this hasn't fanned the flames further

Nah mate, i aint worked up - and I can decide for myself whats good for me and not thanks. In terms of Sikhi parchaar, this is the same Kaurageous that has helped and solely organised Keertan Darbaars, talks at unis and Gurdwaras and been involved in distributing literature about Sikhi to the masses, distributing Gurbani and Simran CD's FREE of charge, and doing Japji Sahib akhand paaths......

I think you should look at yourselves and ask yourselves what you do first before you criticise others. All im saying is that they must be doing something right if they have girls turning into Singhnia and doing seva. I assure you, i do not lie with anything i have written in this post and if you wish for clarification and proof, feel free to e-mail the Singhnia @ kaurageous

I agree with Rupinder Singh....Kaurageous is a well meaning org. but how much do they actually do to tackle the issues of bibya. From what I hear they go to cinemas and "days out " every week, or other week. I agree we should get sangat in, but like how many times do you need to get them in?! Should not the light of Guru Ji's amaazing Sikhi draw people in. Yes punjabis may not see it at first, but they will see that it's "just another Sikh group" having a laugh, this may even deter some people. I think seriously Kaurageous across the country should look at what's happening and whoever the Jathedarni is should lay the smack down!

Yeh and? They go out to cinema, they go bowling, they go ice skating. They dont go drinking, boozing, clubbing, pulling every lad in sight. I think someone should lay the "smack down" on people like you.

I think Kaurageous should keep going the way they have been going. It hasnt been set up to please or accomodate people like you anyway - so no one is really interested in what you think anyway, but granted this is a public form and thanks for your opinion. Now go watch tv or woteva ure going to do after getting off your pc and let these sevadhars get on with what they are doing which is finding ways new ways to bring people closer together and more importantly, closer to the Guru.

You ask how they tackle the issues of bibiya? From what i hear, theyve helped a few girls out in tricky situation. And hello, its a young organisation. Was you wiping your own behind at the age of one? I think not.

Im not getting worked up before you think it. Im just getting sick of no gooders like you who can sit on their a$$ on a pc and diss those who are trying to do some good even though they dont do jack themselves.

U lot can chat all you want - dont think they gonna stop on ure say anyway.

ok now u two jokas have ruined the ruined thread...!

Rupinder Singh, i thought u were going to shut up? (in a nice way!) :S

I kinda agree with what ure saying though, i dont agree to some extents with the comedy of Sukhi Singh as taking the mickey out of dhaadhi vaaraan is wrong. I cant even look at another dhadhi now without cracking up.

In terms of the quiz night, im all for it. besides u lot didnt rant n rave last year when it happend in the midlands. I dont get it. or maybe our tolerance levels are decreasing as the years go by...

Just crown yourself like the rest of em do

there will be no dhadi

Thank God

As United1985 said - the keertania dont have anything to do with the selling of CD's by ksuk. I aint attacking you mate, i simply responded to your message. If you percieved it as an attack... sorry.

Besides, whats it to you?? How does KSUK selling CD's affect you? T-series been selling audio cds for decades and all keertania (all major keertania) have cd's.

These guys are doing a great seva and arent profiting from it. So whats it to you? If you can do the same seva they do of bringing keertania from around the world to UK and not worry about costs, then by all means go ahead and do so and relieve the sevadars of their duties. If not, then chupp kar ke behja. Simple.