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and AS I TOLD YOU BEFORE 'KURTAS' FIND OUT WHICH COMMITTEE INVITED THE PUNJAB POLICE TO THE TOURNAMENTS!!! <_< DO NOT LABEL THE WHOLE OF GURU NANAK GURDWARA SMETHWICK IN THIS, ITS ONLY A FEW PEOPLE RESPONSIBLE, WHOM YOU SHOULD NAME AND SHAME.

Its not about ADVERTISING the Gurdwara! <_< I gave information to the Sadh Sangat about the elections, now is that bad? and hows that advertising the Gurdwara?? If you read through my posts you will get what i am trying to say to the Sadh Sangat. And please don't try and twist my words.

another thing, the elections are at smethwick gurdwara and were arguing here? you see the arguements we have in us?? above is an example

the website is to be updated soon. with live viewing of programmes of the Gurdwara programmes.

give it some time it will be updated, plus its not a company but the internet server titles it this, this will change when the website is updated.

Sant Ji was just something else, "jina aiya te jagat taar Jave... Dhan Dhan Auna Unha da" Where will we ever find another Sant Ji??

anyone and everyone including you

TALK WITH SOME RESPECT THIS IS A SIKH MESSAGE BOARD OF THE SRI SADH SANGAT, NOT A BLACK MAN'S BOOZE SHOP

But you will have to be amritdhari for 2 years and attending the Gurdwara for 2 years. If you meet this criteria then GURU NANAK GURDWARA SMETHWICK (www.gngsmethwick.com) welcomes you.

Oh and another thing... which i dont think anyone knows about... Between 2001 - 2003 A white man stole 2 Saroops Of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaj, from the Guru Nanak Gurdwara Smethwick. A white boy started doing seva in the Gurdwara, he wore a kirpan tied a pagh but cut his dhari and said he was amritdhari. Many members of the Sangat complained to this, but the then president of the management committee ignored this. Then one day the White boy was seen carrying something on his when someone asked his sed its Guru Granth Sahib and he was carring it down the dual carrigeway alone with a chaur sahib in one hand. When some people of the Gurdwara enquired into this and went to his house he had one saroop already there, and brought another, he had loads of Gutka Sahib's and Chaur Sahib's and Romala's. Then he was taken to the police and declared mental. i've never heard anything so absured!! how could this happen??? Then this was kept quiet so sangat don't find out!

i'm sorry i said Bibi ji with respect, nothing else (not to make you look old). Khalsa ji's i totally agree with you all, and respect your views and posts. My purpose of this post was to create awareness in the Sri Sadh Sangat Sahib of what is actually happening, After the Gurdwara's new building was built some people focused more on polishing the marble and making their numbers with the Sangat, than actually focusing on "Panthic Seva" eg. in 2002 sadly the Guru Of the Whole world Dhan Dhan Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaj's saroops were burnt alot in Punjab if you look into the newspapers and history, NOT ONCE WAS IT MENTIONED ON THE STAGE <_< Something so BIG happened!! our Guru Sahib was burnt!!! and not one mention of it? Khalsa ji, things like this, Panthic issues were kept covered, Khalsa ji i know we should provide full services for the sangat INCLUDING CLEAN AND HYGENIC TOILETS FOR BOTH MEN AND WOMEN, and just general security and hygine around the Gurdwara, MUCH MUCH MORE RESPECT FOR SRI GURU GRANTH SAHIB JI MAHARAJ. All these issues need to be addressed, but some people just want to keep polishing the marble, making numbers in the sangat, and coming back into the management committee then... wiping out the voice of Khalistan, removing the pictures of Sikh Shaheeds "because apparently the sangat don't like them" WHAT AN EXCUSE!!! and just having a total wipeout of the talk of HAKK (WHAT IS OURS) AND SACH (THE TRUTH)

i'm sorry i said Bibi ji with respect, nothing else (not to make you look old). Khalsa ji's i totally agree with you all, and respect your views and posts. My purpose of this post was to create awareness in the Sri Sadh Sangat Sahib of what is actually happening, After the Gurdwara's new building was built some people focused more on polishing the marble and making their numbers with the Sangat, than actually focusing on "Panthic Seva" eg. in 2002 sadly the Guru Of the Whole world Dhan Dhan Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaj's saroops were burnt alot in Punjab if you look into the newspapers and history, NOT ONCE WAS IT MENTIONED ON THE STAGE <_< Something so BIG happened!! our Guru Sahib was burnt!!! and not one mention of it? Khalsa ji, things like this, Panthic issues were kept covered, Khalsa ji i know we should provide full services for the sangat INCLUDING CLEAN AND HYGENIC TOILETS FOR BOTH MEN AND WOMEN, and just general security and hygine around the Gurdwara, MUCH MUCH MORE RESPECT FOR SRI GURU GRANTH SAHIB JI MAHARAJ. All these issues need to be addressed, but some people just want to keep polishing the marble, making numbers in the sangat, and coming back into the management committee then... wiping out the voice of Khalistan, removing the pictures of Sikh Shaheeds "because apparently the sangat don't like them" WHAT AN EXCUSE!!! and just having a total wipeout of the talk of HAKK (WHAT IS OURS) AND SACH (THE TRUTH)

Bibi ji, thats fine, politics is out of the Gurdwara... BUT.... how will we get RSS and agents of the indian govt out of Gurdwaras? How will get our Gurdwara's running to 110% to Gurmat Rehit Maryada?? How will we stop those same agents of the indian govt and rss people inviting and giving siropa's to corrupt and police and politicians guilty of killing Sikhs??? How will we stop these people eating away at Sikhi? ok, money is something people may take from the Gurdwara, But what about them cutting the roots of Sikhi? Bibi ji, someone said to me on a previous post just do simran and everything will be ok, but Bibi Ji, i asked what need did Sri Guru Hargobind Sahib Ji maharaj have to make Sri Akal Takhat Sahib in front of Sri Harmandir Sahib why couldnt we just have had Sri Harmandir Sahib why the need For Sri Akal Takhat Sahib??? Bibi ji, i know we shouldnt fight AT ALL in Gurdwaras, or amongst ourselves but we need to get these people who want to Kill Sikhi OFF OUT OF OUR GURDWARAS!! Bibi ji, theres one Guru, one Gurdwara, one Maryada and fights? over what? Bibi ji Dhan Dhan Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji Maharaj said to hindu's and muslim's when they were fighting, ' you will not be welcomed by Waheguru ' "you both will cry" Guru Maharaj said "your fighting over, a cow and pig, have you ever seen a cow and pig fighting or argueing?" Maharaj said.. "your fighting over a mandir and masjid, have you ever seen a Mandir and masjid fighting? Now if Sri Guru Nanak Dev ji Maharaj had to say that now he would say "you three will cry" including us Sikhs!! what are we fighting over? have we ever seen our Guru's fighting amongst themselves? or Gurdwaras fighting themselves? No no we shouldnt fight we should look out for each other and be strong for each other, even if a brother or sister is not amritdhari or hasnt kept their kesh, we should bring them into Sikhi, not scare them away, at the end of the day they are our brothers and sisters? Today we need to lift a weapon, but we need to lift the weapon of Pyaar! (but that doesnt mean let anyone become pardaan's or committees of your Gurdwara's and destroy Sikhi, where we need to use force.. WE NEED TO USE FORCE)

Khalsa ji's all your comments are correct no one is right, i know for 110% that alcohol is distributed before the elections, so that when majority is needed, or to fight someone, them same people who the alcohol was given to will fight. If someone does come to election, they can see what is wrong and what is right, the constitution is made to the Rehit Maryada of Sri Akal Takhat Sahib, but Khalsa ji, people abuse and breech the constitution, what can we do about them? People whom they give alcohol or money to come and cause havok in the elections. I think the Sadh Sangat should look back and see who has done what seva, who has served the Panth without fear, AND who HAS BROUGHT CORRUPT AND GUILTY MP'S, POLICE AND OTHER KEY PEOPLE FROM INDIA AND GIVEN SIROPA'S TO THEM

No, sorry not in that way, the consitution (which no one follows) states that a person willing to become a member of the committee, you will have to be prepared to give your body, mind and money towards creating Khalistan, and the Gurdwara shall work 100% to establishing Khalistan. But some committee members have worked 100% against it.

To be held last sunday of april or first sunday of may 2005.

Sadh Sangat Gaj Ke Balao Waheguru Ji ka Khalsa!! Waheguru Ji ki Fateh!! The Election / Selection of the Management committee of Guru Nanak Gurdwara Smethwick (Sikh Temple) High Street, Smethwick is coming soon, either in April or May 2005. Sri Sadh Sangat Sahib Jio, anyone and everyone that has been Amritdhari for the last two years, a regular member of the Sadh Sangat of GNG Smethwick for the last two years, is 110% Khalistani and believes in Dhan Dhan Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaj as their Guru (all as per Constitution) can become a member of Guru Nanak Gurdwara Smethwick Parbandhak Committee. Khalsa ji, as you know our Panth has been infiltrated by people who keep an image of a Sikh but inside they are cutting away at the roots of Sikhi. As we know over the past few years, talk of "Khalistan" "Sikh Azaadi" "Sant Bhindranwale" "Taksal" and loads of other "panthic" issues were kept quiet, and on top of that as we know, punjab police people, nirankaris, darshan dassia's, and other anti Sikh org members have been invited to the Gurdwara and Gurdwara programmes. Khalsa ji, the Calendars of 1999, 2000, 2001 and before had pictures of Sikh Shaheeds on them, like Sh: Bhai Satwant Singh, Sh: Bhai Beant Singh, Sh: Bhai Harjinder Singh Ji Jinda, Sh: Bhai Sukhdev Singh Ji Sukha and of Sant Baba Jarnail Singh Ji Khalsa "Bhindranwale". from 2001 - 2003 the photos were removed, pictures from Hall no. 1, hall 2, hall 3, of Sikh Shaheeds have VANISHED!!!!??? The Picture of Sant Baba Jarnail Singh Ji Khalsa "Bhindranwale" was at one point removed from the upstairs main hall, and Singhs had to fight to get it back up. Naamdharis have done kirtan here (even though they believe Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji is a BOOK???) In 2001 in a Sikh Shaheedi Tournament, bhangra music was played "kuri mera dil lai gayee" dil chori sada ho giya" ARE WE CELEBRATING THAT ITS GOOD OUR SHAHEEDS ARE DEAD?????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If you see the screens in the Shoe hall as you enter there is nothing on them about Sikh oppression, or 1984 or Sikh Self Determination, its a total CUT OFF ABOUT KHALISTAN AND THE PANTH!! IF YOU PUT ANY LITERATURE ABOUT KHALISTAN, OR SHAHEED SINGHS TO EDUCATE THE SIKH SANGAT AND YOUTH, BUT THE EVENING IT'LL BE IN THE BIN!! The committee of 2001 - 2003 hasnt even given its accounts till this day... If an item costs £20 it has been brought for £50, but the committee is not willing to give its accounts. The constitution states.... (under section 2, and in punjabi under "Gugha" i) At the end of two year term the President, General secretary, Treasurer and Stage Secretary will vacate their respective posts. These four persons may apply to become ordinary members of the next committee and if the Election Board considers it to be relevant then it can appoint any of these persons to become ordinary members. However these four CANNOT become office bearers (President, V.Pres, Gen Sec, V. Gen Sec, Treasurer, V. Treas, Stage Sec) of the Management Committee. Then why has the former President come back as VICE PRESIDENT???? Constitution says... g) Any person belonging to Communist Party, Congress Party or Nirankari Sect or Radha-soami Sect cannot become a Gurdwara employee, a Committee member or a Trustee, nor can any one belonging to an anti-Sikh organisation. Attendance is the meetings of the above mentioned organisations is also prohibited. then why has a member of the management committee gone to congress party meetings?? (pictures of him can be seen on the magazine called SAHIB 04's edition.) Mp's and corrupt ministers from india have been given siropas (even if they havent done ANTHING at all for the PANTH) If things like this isnt destroying Sikhi then what it?

Ok, well my personal opinion of Khalistan follows.... having a Great life?? the INDIAN GOVERNMENT are.. MURDERERS MURDERERS! THE INDIAN GOVERNMENT HAVE MURDERED 250,000 SIKHS, since 1984 and IMPRISONED 70,000! DOES THAT HURT YOU? AS YOU READ THE INDIAN GOVERNMENT PAY TO HAVE sikhs MURDERED! right NOW A POLICE OFFICER is passing a sikh in the street considering money or a SIKH life! and has chosen MONEY! Guess what??? A Sikh is being TORTURED! BEATEN! RAPED! by the so called "POLICE" funded by those you believe should run the country KHALISTAN is the ONLY solution There are PLENTY of indians ready to commit the same sins as this Government has! Ready to sell Sikh lives!! Ethnic CLEANSING! Death to all Sikhs. The Indian Government has Actively funded the "Nirankari's" the nakli sect that has had dozens of Fake Guru's! Many of which they claimed placed their feet on Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji! just claiming the Guru Was abundle of Papers! JUSTIFY THAT! THEY HAVE MISUSED THEIR INTERNATIONAL POWER AGAINST THE SIKHS NATION! SIKHS ARE NOT GIVEN SEPARATE IDENTITIES FROM HINDU'S!!!!!! Sikhs are treated as terroists everywhere they go! even though the Sikh religion Professes Peace beyond Peace! How can you justify the murder of innocent men? innocent women? innocent children? ? ?? ??? Raping of women?? Not with a Pro-hindu Government It will NEVER stop! NOT NOW NOT EVER! Unless.... we take a stand! against the tyrants that attack us, KILL US. Khalistan IS the ONLY solution! When Khalsa Shall Rule! We ARE talking about an independant Sikh State, Free from Persecution and ETHNIC CLEANSING! think of those who have laid down their lives, for YOU to be here NOW! Sikhs UNITE in the SADH SANGAT of the KHALSA! And we can achieve anything! ANYTHING AT ALL! but spare a minute for the Sikhs Who are Suffering! at the hands of CORRUPT MEN! THE KHALSA SHALL RULE, THE KHALSA WILL RULE! KHALISTAN ZINDABAAD! KHALISTAN ZINDABAAD! RAAJ KARGA KHALSA! RAAJ KAREGA KHALSA! KHALISTAN ZINDABAAD! SANT BABA JARNAIL SINGH JI KHALSA "BHINDRANWALE" ZINDABAAD! PARNAAM SHAHEEDAN NU “Na Hindi Na Hindustan, Lai kay RehNaa Khalistan!” (Not Hindi nor Hindustan, we will only rest after taking Khalistan!) MERI JIND - MERI JAAN KHALISTAN KHALISTAN BOLLEEEEEEEEEEE SOOOOOOO NIHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAL! SAT SRI AKALLL MAY WAHEGURU BLESS EVERY GURSIKH WITH HAPPINESS! Waheguru ji ka Khalsa!! Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh!! Khalsa ji, as you know of a house, the foundation is laid on bricks, cement and water, with Khalistan, the day The indian army Entered Sri Darbar Sahib the Foundation of Khalistan Was laid not with water, bricks and cement but with the blood and bones of Sikh Shaheeds, how will Khalistan not be made??? Khalsa ji... a diva, into which people who light one pour oil or ghee and this burns to fuel the diva, Khalsa ji is a storm were to come, that diva would blow out.... Khalsa ji, in this diva of Sikhi And Of Khalistan, there is no oil or ghee, in the Diva of Sikhi and Khalistan burns the blood of Sikh Shaheeds which storm will EVER blow this out? Sikhs that spoke out against the evil india govt were called terrorists, Sikh girls and women were being raped, by people who ran the country, and so Sikhs used AK47s to kill the bad people but the media who was run by the govt labelled Sikhs as terrorists!! why were media blocked out of punjab in 1984????? because sikhs turbans were taken of to tie their hands behind their backs, and they were shot in the head with a machine gun!!!!!<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<media proof!!! So this is why we need Khalistan, we must Have Khalistan, its our right, our future, its our NEED. I hope this answers you question.

SINGH SAHIB BHAI JASVIR SINGH JI KHALSA "RODE" ZINDABAAD![/SIZE]

You just need to try harder please!! this isnt making any AFFECT on the GurSikh in question!! You call him Sarkari?? yes he is Sarkari To the "Sachi Sarkar" "Sat Kartaar" and now you will watch the colours of Kartaar Sachi Sarkaar. Singh Sahib Bhai Jasvir Singh Ji Khalsa "Rode" Zindabaad!

P.S. over the last 4 years the literature about Khalistan and human rights has decresed drastically.. check the calendars, big screens in the shoe area and other literature, there is more or less NOTHING about Khalistan and Sikh Human Rights even the picture of Sant Baba Jarnail Singh Ji Khalsa was taken down in the main hall upstairs, and Singhs had to put up a fight to get it back up.

I agree, but i'm 101% sure there is one or two committees to blame for inviting punjab police, or politicians to Shaheedi Tournaments and to the Gurdwara itself to give siropa's.

actually i think you do need to pin point one committee(s) whom it involves, because then you are blaming them all. khalsa ji, as you said i organised a meeting in a Gurdwara in which invited punjab police, what am i supposed to do? boycott the Gurdwara? From ALL my posts do i seem like a AGENT? Or Anti Khalistan or anti Sant Baba Jarnail Singh Ji Khalsa or anti to the current Sikh Movement for Sikh Self Determination??? or do i seem like a PANTH VIRODI? or someone who wants to see the Panth go downhill? Khalsa ji, we need to take these Gurdwaras away from the claws of these BEASTS who are "Chamche" of indias politicians and of the punjab police.

try harder <_< this isn't going to harm Singh Sahib Bhai Jasvir Singh Ji Khalsa's reputation :TH:

Oh and another thing, please research into which people, were in the management committee of the Gurdwara, who invited punjab police into the tournaments and which people ACTUALLY HAVE LINKS WITH INDIA'S POLITICIANS AND PUNJABS POLICE and invited them to the tournaments. because.. you are putting the Gurdwara down as a whole.