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Usual cussing and bad mouthing that occurs before and after any Sikh event. Glad our traditions continue (sorry to disappoint the sanatan niddar fans but me thinks that the Sikhs will claim credit for this). Mods: Wake up. You cant have a newbie just slagging off the pardhan. Whatever the reasons they will come to light but lets not make up space cadet theories without the evidence. valli singh: would have hoped you were less gullible ! ak47_jatha lion: i take it you dont work the met police as a detective !

To be fair, I used to be a bit of a Casanova some time ago and went out with some very attractive and intelligent girls (yes they do exist). But to me at the time it was all a bit of fun ! What I learnt was that it was my confidence and wit that wooed them into my fold. Apologies, if my words makes them come across as 'objects of desire' -it is not intended. I dont for a moment, buy into this junk that Sikhi suroop is a hindrance to getting married. If a person is so shallow and not understand what the Sikhi suroop means then I say to them get lost ! Equally, my (limited) experience led me to believe that many girls actually have a stereotypical view of Sikhs with the suroop -ie. drunkards, perverts, etc. I am not including the singhni on this point. I remember when I was at uni and I walked past stringfellows (nightclub/ strip bar) with my gora mates, and they said lets go in, I said no, and they said why not there are always a load of your lot in the front row ! So, I suppose the point there is a responsibility in having the suroop in public. It is a moral duty for any parent to ensure their child understands Sikhi suroop. I think this point has been missed by many families wrapped up in work/ integrating with the host nation, etc.

Caveman: I agree with you. But, the common instict is that there are more girls out there that actually do not care for the Sikhi suroop. In fact it detests them ! The subtext to my intial post is how can the mass and inertia of the Panth be increased when we have the child bearers (not being sexist, but biologically factual) repulse at the notion of their child or partner keeping Sikhi suroop??????

rupinder, I am curious to know what shortcomings you think I have and what ideology you think I am trying to portray. I would say that I havent turned out badly as a person. As an amritdhari Sikh doing well in his career and involved in sewa, I can safely say maharaj has been kind to me. I am also very grateful to my parents who brought me up as a Gursikh and were firm in their discipline and brought me up to be a decent (though not perfect) human being. You keep refering to spanking as being some kind of karmic punishment that is only allowed to be administered by some great perfect being. In actual fact, it is just a natural part of life where parents discipline their children, coaching and guiding them, using different methods, with a view to making them into good human beings. With respect, you need to get your head out of the karmic clouds and come back down to planet Earth where there are real issues which need real solutions

The point fans is this..... 1. There is a guy with Sikhi suroop dancing and intoxicated 2. It is there for the public to see/ ridicule other Sikhs with the suroop as like minded intoxicated dancers. Our image is being tarnished. Its offensive. PS. I'm sure the hippy brigade on this forum will say well not all Sikhs are like that. Its his jeevan, etc. Well in a media savvy world we should ensure we dont come across as a bunch of drunkard perverts -this is not what the Guru intended when he gave us the suroop. There comes a responsibility in having the suroop.

I would be interested in your views on why so many girls (India, Europe, North America, etc) insist on clean shaven boys as a fundamental pre-requisite to marriage. Some of these girls actually come from Gur/kesdhari families but irrespective of the potential partners family pedigree/ profession/ personality, etc cannot get past the fact he personifies the suroop of the Sikh and is rejected from the onset. Whilst the Panth has it challenges (like any other faith group), we are besotted by the baba movements, RSS, Dasam Granth authenticity, human rights, (all quite rightly so) etc., but are we failing to address a seismic epidemic of Gur/khesdari Singhs unable to marry (or at the very least denting their confidence to marry). My fear is ‘Sikhi mass’ will diminish as the wives/ mothers/ back bone of the family is Sikh averse. I am also seeing a growing trend of where the dad keeps the suroop (in a very manufactured way) and the son is clean shaven from a young age. Should Gur/kesdhari Sikhs re-balance this post-modernist feminine fantasy that will have dire consequences for future generations.

Dont be naive and think that just because you 'explain' everything and bring your kids up in a Gursikh background that you wont have to discipline them. This belief is so naive that it makes me laugh. Kids will be kids and you will have to discipline them somehow. Some kind of sanction system will be necessary. Now, if you dont hit them, you will have to use other methods which I think are potentially more psychologically harmful, eg, send them to bed without any supper, take thier video games and toys off them, stop talking to them for a few days, exclude them from family events and 'grounding them' for a month, and shouting at them. I like to call these 'psychological beatings' In summary, bringing up kids requires a multi-faceted approach. Clearly, the best way is to instill and inspire them with Sikhi values so that they choose not to be badly behaved. However, for the occassions that they are badly behaved, you will need a sanction system in place. Sometimes you will use the 'psychological beatings' that I mentioned above, and other times you will need to give them a quick clip round the ear. Smacking for discipline and hardcore child abuse are two completely different things. Dont confuse and muddle the two up as some of you guys are doing.

lol oh bas kar!

Hi boys and girls, I warn you to remove all sharp objects from the room and ensure that you go to the toilet before watching this video so as not to cause any accidents on the carpet. :lol:

Sorry wannabe I am with fordcapri on this one. Firstly, you need to take a chill pill and understand that most of us are just having a bit of a laugh so dont get ur kachera in a twist over nothing - nonone here is advocating child abuse. What we are advocating is the normal and natural method of chastisement that parents from all cultures have been using for thousands of years. It is because of the soft, hippy and pseudo spiritual views of people like yourself that Sikh kids are becoming more and more besharam and going out drinking, dressing like slappers and bunking off school. If you look at any high achieving Sikh kid, who keeps Sikhi Saroop, who went to university and who is working in a top job, the one key asset he/she would have had is an atmosphere of strict discipline in the home. No pussyfooting, no phiolosphical debate just straight forward and firm discipline. You can count on that. These new age hippy, Ghandi type values of pacisfism and non-violence that you are advocating are not Sikh values. You sound like you are a solid Gursikh individual and I trust that you will want your kids to be strong Gursikhs, good citizens and high achieving individuals. If you do, I suggest that you shed some of these well-meaning but idealistic views that hitting children is morally wrong etc. Personally, I will use whatever means necessary to bring my children up properly. I will smack my kids, not because I hate them or I get a power buzz out of it, I will do it because I love them and I want them to be good people.

' Fot the masses and the media, integration is doing what they want. if you do something they dont agree with they say you arent integrating' Spot on analysis, couldnt have said it better myself. Most gorai are safe with you if you speak and act like them. If you maintain your distinctness, most of them strart whining - and believe me gorai are the world masters when it comes to whining lol

Harjeet Singh, this is classic poncey metrosexual rubbish. The best short term method of discipling a little toe rag brat is to give him/her a clip around the ear and keep them in line. We are Sikhs. We are a tough people and we dont shy away from giving people a tag round the head now and again if that is what is required, especially if it is our own children. As responsible adults, we are doing our children a great disservice if we do not discipline them, using smacks if necessary. The kind of nonsense that you are coming out with now simply did not exist 5 years ago. This is some next level dope smoking type of speech. I am all for keeping an open mind Singh, but dont keep it so open that your brain falls out!

Sikher of the naam, thanks for enlightening us with your labour party speech on equality and diversity Good luck in the election, you have my vote!

beat them when they wake up, beat them when they have breakfast, beat them before they sleep, beat them on the toilet, beat them in public, beat them in private it doesnt really matter, just beat them All beating is good.

someone please explain to me what kind of a sad lonely perv sticks a random picture of a babe on their sikhsangat profile. CAnt be a Singh doing this surely lol

The worst type of beating is to beat the kid in front of their mates ! Not good for the self esteem....

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lol Actually Singh, I am happy living in my 'closed minded world' and yes, I do prefer to spend my time with other Sikhs (good sangat), rather than gorai, muslims, hindus etc. At the same time I still treat them as equals and with dignity and respect, however, I aint got any disposable time for them. They are not my company of choice I did not say that Sikhs should isolate themselves. I said that I dont like bum lickers who try their hardest to make gorai like them by adopting their values. I am not the Guru, so it is not my job to spread the message of Sikhi to the universe. I am not a charitable organisation and I am not a life support machine for beggars, lepers and other randoms... Yes I am very very very proud of being a Punjabi Sikh as it is the best thing to be. In fact, I feel a great deal of pity for people who are not Punjabi Sikhs. I agree 100% with your claim that I am full of crap from head to toe. But dont make the mistake of thinking that it is any ordinary crap. please note, it is high quality desi goon, fresh from the back end of a desi majh in Punjab. Organic, healthy, pure, natural and fertile enough to feed the rest of India for thousands of years to come. Chakde fatteh ! Bruuaaaah! (Thigh slap and moustache curl included)

Every Sikh must attend this event ! For reference there have been 6 holocausts and 1 million Sikhs murdered because of their faith. The SIX episodes to the Sikh holocaust experience are: 1. Arangzeb (1675 to 1701) 2. Bahadhur Shah (1710 to 1717) 3. Zakaria Khan (1726 to 1745) 4. Shah Nawaz Khan (1748 to 1768) 5. Indian partition (1947) 6. Indian Congress (1984 to 1995)

100% agree It makes me laugh when I see Sikhs trying 'too hard' to integrate with gorai and pretend that you share their values. I also find it funny when I see Punjabi Sikhs getting defensive about their culture such as arranged marriages, treatment of women etc and trying to justify it to the gorai. Personally, I dont think we should make any bones about the fact that most of us here are Punjabi Sikhs and that we are different to the natives. I think you get alot more respect for having a strong identity and not denying who you are. Too much bum licking such as wearing stars and stripes dastaar, George cross outfits etc only makes us look like jokers

Well said. Smacking is an important part of maintaining discipline in the home. Children should have a certain level of fear of their parents. All of this hippy flower power GORA-FIED belief that hitting children is abuse is all nonsense. Clearly smacking should be used responsibly and appropriately. However often children are too mentally undeveloped or thick to understand the reason for not doing bad things so no matter how much you explain to them they will not get it. Sometimes just the fear of smacking them will stop them from doing it. I think that smacking is usually a short-term solution to bad behaivour rather than long term. Over time, and with good explanation, children will start to learn what is good and what is bad; there is a balance to be achieved in good parenting. Plus, smacking kids toughens them up and knocks any metrosexuality or other poncey characteristics out of them. Better to toughen them up at home than watch them get bullied and battered at school.

Actually these minature saroops where used during the 1st and 2nd world wars by British-Sikh soldiers. This was advocated by the British who beleived by showing support for their faith, they would be better fighters for the king ! There where 3500-4000 of them made. Given the high quality of printing it is said the printing plates where actually made and smuggled out of Germany. The British helped in making this happen. Many saroops where lost during the two world wars. Some survived and where bought back to Punjab (inc. pre-partition Punjab). The saroops should not be made as some type of rare antiquity. Should it be necessary, they can easily be sourced from Punjab and Pakistan. Where is the respect the Sri Guru Granth Sahib campaign police ? The prat selling the saroop needs a good beating.

Nirmal Singh was a man who enabled Panthic change for the better -he helped change the Uni seen for the better. He led by example. Funny. Real. Reliable. Approachable. Sadly missed.

I dont like pakiz but he does have a point. Even though these gorai dont have an empire anymore, they still think that they got the moral obligtion to bend everyone else to their culture, their values and their ways of thinking. They try to force democracy on other cultures when it is not their place to do so. They have assumed that democracy is the best way forward for all people regardless of circumstances. What has democracy ever done for Sikhs, for example? They also try to force liberalism on everyone else. Lets face it, in our culture things are not that liberal, and to be honest I prefer it that way. Its because of this liberal 'anything goes' type of attitude that our men our becoming weak and our women are becoming sluts. Basically, according to gorai, they dont mind what you do as long as you dont disagree with them. They are ok with the concept of free speech when they are making cartoons taking the mick out of MOhammed or a play that insults the sancitiy of a Gurdwara. However, when they hear something that they themselves feel insulted by, they start making a racket. Lets face it, free speech has a limit before it is downright unacceptable. In the East, where faith is valued and many religions co-exist with each other, people realised this thousands of years ago. Gorai in the west are only just realising this now and trying to put a damper on free speech by creating incitement of hatred laws. What about taking the mick out of the prophet Mohammed or writing biased articles about Sikhs? I would argue that this is also incitement of hatred, however, on a slightly smaller scale. Just because it is a subtle piece of propoganda, doesnt mean that it wont generate prejudice and eventually hate in the long run. The other thing I dont like is when gorai say, 'this is our country and you have to do what we do and live by our laws. You have to integrate. If you dont like it, leave.' Actually, as a British citizen who was born here, this is my country. And no, I dont have to do everything that you do and live by your laws. Laws can and will have to change with the times, according to 'needs'. For example, we Sikhs 'needed' to change the motorcycle helmet law and kirpan law to accomodate us in our new country. Any integration that takes place on my part will take place with my distinct indentity and core values remaining intact. It will be 'true' integration, rather than assimilation into the majority culture. Multicultural. Equality in Diversity. Whilst I think that <banned word filter activated> are mad, bigoted and take some wierd kind of hallucinogenic drugs to think the way they do, I also think that they have the right to be offended by what is happening to their brethren in Iraq and Afghanistan. They also have the right to peacefully protest against the soldiers parading. Just because you disagree with what the government is doing doesnt mean that you dont deserve to live in the country and should go back to the country that your parents came from. Why didnt they just deport the miners during the miners strike for protesting against the closure of the pits?! Well obviously, they were British so it wouldnt make sense. What about the protesting Muslims who are also British? Why is there talk of them 'going back to where they came from' when they were also born in this country? Anyone seen Ross Kemp in Afghanistan? Sik programme.

solid - good luck with it. Good opportunity for apnay to come and learn some G n P lol