r.kaur

stopsingh2 When an apology has been made what do you want a meeting for? :lol: @ is it so you can go around saying that look what we got done?

Yes it seems this is going around in circles, R4G you brought to their notice that disrepect was done to Guruji and they have rectified it. As per R4G and Charan suggestions I have spoken to Avtar Singh and with his permission I qoute " Guruji's Saroop was sent with full respect with a granthi for respect, however this has caused offence, apologises have been made for any disrespect to Guruji and that Babajis Bir will not be sent to such a hall again, Mr.Gurjeevan Singh and Mr. Harjinder Singh of R4G and Mr. Jagit Singh Shergill of Gurdwaras Council Birmingham are aware of this but for reasons of their own do not seem to acknowledge this and keep trying to push for a meeting. " These conversations took place last week. I now wait to see how you all put a spin on this one. Gursikhs you call yourselves but it seems that you have not learnt forgiveness(or don't want to learn it). Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh

so i post my views this makes me avtars singh advocate or pardaan of another gurdwara - good one

stopsingh2 you say "Everything has been done peacefully. Have you seen or heard of anyone advocating, inciting or taking part in violent acts ?" I beg to differ, advocating and inciting - yes just read some of the past mails. taking part in violent acts just a matter of time if you don't act responsibly

R4G Thank you for your polite and repectful reply explaining things,this is a much better way then to using OTT headings, I am sure if you had used this manner when you contacted Avtar Singh the outcome would be different. Correct me if I am wrong but his name and numbers was plastered all over the net before you had even spoken to him. I am also a little confused you say that he has not apologised but I have read other posts where it says that he has apologised and it will not happen again, so why have a meeting and put in writing, is this man's word not enough? Also just because he has not contacted you how do you know that he has not dealt with the situation in his own community? You say that it is not personal but I am afraid the things that you have written about him and the others can be taken as personal attacks and subject to libel. You (and all you out there)should only write facts. The Hukamnama was declared because a lot of marriages in India were taking place in halls where proper respect was not given to Guruji because meat and drink were being served infront of Guruji . If you read the last para of the Hukamnama it clearly states that you can accompany Guruji in times of happiness and sorrows provided full respect is carried out. There is bit of contradiction going on here or a loop hole? Your photos do not show meat and drink being served in the presence of Guruji or people sitting on chairs or shoes in the presence of Guruji they are not really conclusive. Also did you get permission of the people to publish their pictures on the net? Its a good cause, act responsibly, educate the people, do it peacefully as the Guruji would have wanted from his sewaks. bhul chuk maff

I have been following this story on many forums and am quite shocked at how people on forums jump to conclusions and don't read the stories or try to understand what people are trying to say. Panthsewak clearly stated in his first post "I'm a regular member of Brent sikh centre sangat." so he must be knowing avtar singh! duh! I have read various articles on this subject started by R4G and feel it is a shame that the problem is not approached in a proper manner. It looks like you are all doing beadbi to Guruji in one way or another. R4G is doing a good job but I can not see any sensible person putting forward their message in a proper manner. There are many ways one can to put forward a message on forums and get things done all in a peaceful manner instead of inciting the public to do wrong. R4G says it posted hundreds of letters to Gurdwaras all over the country and only received 33 replies. Did they try to contact again the organizations that did not reply? How long did they wait for a reply? How many times did they contact them? Maybe the organisations did not receive the letter, I know for a fact on checking sites that many addresses have changed and organizations have closed. They should have followed up and visited and explained peacefully and if beadbi is still being done after that they should take it further – again peacefully. R4G is inciting the public(especially naujawan) to go and make hungama infront of Guruji in Guruji’s Ghar – is this not beadbi of Guruji and Guruji’s Ghar? One more point R4G and their members should only write facts, there is a lot of rubbish written on their site on this topic. Mud slinging is no t Guruji’s way – is it? If you want to do something for Guruji then do it in a proper manner peacefully as is the Guruji's teachings.