Another Panthsewak

DISTORTION OF FACTS Well, after conformation from BSC, I have found lots of discrepancies between what was told to “Naujawan Khalsa” and what they reported here – to the general public! The main one being the fact that was told by S Harbans Singh jee stated that we have ALREADY asked for an apology in Sangat, in front of Guru ji and now the committee doesn’t feel the need to apologise AGAIN!! (Just by “hiding” 2 words, like they did, how different the statement sounds isn’t it?) First of all tell me WHO or WHAT is this “Naujawan Khalsa” and WHY is he/she NOT telling the full facts here. This ONCE AGAIN confirms that they are using this site and issue for their personal gains by trying to create unrest among everybody and are trying to “provoke” normal public like you all and you are – so obviously – falling in their “trap” (They must be sitting in their homes, laughing at the ease with which they are fooling you!). Like I said before, how can somebody trust an “organization” that is not providing the full and correct information to their supporters? They are only telling what they want to tell and twist the facts and statements so that this continues. As you all have been presented by the true facts, I don’t see the point in continuing because you lot are obviously not reading things properly and even after getting the desired result, you don’t want to stop because you are not realizing that IT HAS BEEN DONE!!! In the end, may God give you brains to see things clearly and may He bless you all so that you can continue to live you life peacefully and channel your energy towards something more positive and constructive. Bhoo l Chuk Maaf, Wahe Guru Je Ka Khalsa! Wahe Guru Je Ke Fateh!!

ADMIN: Can I ask why my post - which I posted here last night - is not shown here? It was there last night but now it has "disappeared"!!! I am hereby posting in again in the hope that this time it won't vanish! --------x------------------x---------------x----------------- Wahe Guru Je Ka Khalsa! Wahe Guru Je Ke Fateh!! I have been reading the topics that are doing rounds here! I am also a regular at Brent Sikh Centre and am writing now because this whole thing just seems to be getting blown out of proportion at this stage! I was just wondering what this “Naujawan Khalsa” is? Is this an organisation or what? Do they have any “authorisation” to do the things they are doing? Who gave them the right to go around and “demand” an apology for any actions done by somebody else? Surely any apology to be asked for is from the Guruji and not from “Naujawan Khalsa”. How and why is BSC answerable to Naujawan Khalsa? Agreed that it was “Naujawan Khalsa” that brought attention to the point and for everybody’s kind information, an apology has been asked for – from the Guru ji and in presence of Sangat. An Ardas has also been offered. The “Naujawan Khalsa” didn’t know this because they are NOT part of the regular Sangat at BSC. They have never been there (besides to stir up trouble) so they don’t know what happens/ happened. Do you all know that when “Naujawan Khalsa” came to BSC on Saturday, they were categorically informed by the Giani ji that an apology has been asked and Ardas has also been done in the Sangat. WHY was this not “published” here? Why did “Naujawan Khalsa” hide this information (from you all)? How can anybody support an “organisation” that does not give full, correct and proper information to their supporters? This just goes to prove that they are just they using the power of congregation to achieve their personal goals. How do you know that BSC called the police – as claimed by you? It could so easily have been one of you trying to “glamorise” your gathering to gain more publicity! Since they are not an approved/ authorised by Akal Takth, they cannot “demand” an apology from BSC and BSC is under no obligation to give them a “personal” apology. How can they even think like that? While we are on the topic, will “Naujawan Khalsa” apologise to the sangat at BSC for trying to cause unrest in the Sangat? Regarding the other issues they raised, if they would have seen properly, there are notices stuck all over the Gurdwara, asking Sangat to PLEASE cover their heads while in the premises and NOT to wear shoes in the Langar Hall. Its not possible to keep a Sewadar there on the door 24 hours asking everyone to follow the rules. Can I suggest that they come here and to every other Gurdwara every Sunday and stand by the door to request every one to follow the rules, because that will really help us as well – and their cause. It’s easier said than done! Regarding somebody saying that they “heard” that there were people with shoes on the carpeted area, well, I DARE anybody to come forward and show the “proof” - that you are so found of gathering – that it happened. It has NEVER happened. (All the carpeted areas are on the first floor where you go after climbing the stairs!) There might have been wine glasses at the wedding BUT what was in it???? A glass is a glass – the thing that is in the glass should matter and not what the glass looks like! (There was no wine in the glass or anywhere else!) Regarding a person smoking a cigarette, like mentioned earlier, you cannot supervise each and every person in the building at all times. People coming to the Gurdwara shoul d know how to behave inside one and if they don’t, they are politely told. If we can stop the local construction works from smoking while the building was still under construction, how can you even imagine that we will let people do it now? So please stop meddling in others affairs and stop urging others by making these invalid points. People who take the Guru ji out, surely some responsibility lies with them as well! Has the “Naujawan Khalsa” gone to those people and demanded an apology? I don’t think so? While they are at it, would they mind actually going to the Gurdwara’s and talking to the “Naujawan” that they seem to represent? If you take a good look around yourself, how many Sikh do you actually see? Sikhi is vanishing fast in this country. Why? Because the (majority of) “Naujawan” Sikhs of this country feels that it’s not “cool” to wear a turban, keep Kesh and Beards. They feel that they will not be “accepted” in the social environment here. They think that if they look different, the locals of this country will shun them! So they try to “appear” similar to them. Even the girls – especially those of marriageable age – ask them and over 90% of them will say that I want a “clean shaven” boy. Even the boys are going around, clean shaved or keeping a beard as if they haven’t shaved for 2 days!! Or will have a beard as if somebody has drawn a line with an eyebrow pencil on his face!! Is THAT Sikhi? Do they think that, that shows “respect” towards Guruji’s teaching that they are asking for? These are more important issues that need to be addressed. Let’s see them make an effort for curing this and we ALL will join in for such a thing. As you all know we the Sikhs are a minority here in this country so we should all be acting as one and not fight among ourselves. We should be setting an example for others. What will you gain by involving police and other agencies in this matter? We should attract attention towards ourselves by doing good deeds and not doing wrong things. As it is you know that there is already a case going on in Canada against “certain people and/or organisation” – and they know who they are – related to such topics that they raised in the past. Why are you asking for more trouble? Of course this is not an “attempt” to divert the topic because the original topic is no longer valid – as mentioned, an apology has been asked and Ardas offered so PLEASE back off and leave everyone in peace and enjoy life. I would like to request the Admin to kindly close this topic and not to let any other message appear in this context. People are just using this site to gain advantage for their personal use. They are using the site as a media to create and stir up trouble for their personal gains. As it is you (the Admin) say “Controversial issues are not allowed”!!! Wahe Guru Je Ka Khalsa! Wahe Guru Je Ke Fateh!!

ss Jhamka, you say, "I think u sud be talking to the so called leaders and reminding them that They are answerable to Guru ji and Sadh Sangat ji." Well Done - good thinking and good point. Looks like you are the only sensible one! NOW, if you go back and read my message, it says that the leaders HAVE accepted the mistake, and since they are answerable to Guru ji and Sadh Sangat only (as accepted by you), they have done what should be done and apologised to both for their actions. So, what is your point? I can't see what you guys are going on about now? Ahankar is a very bad thing. (It destroys you and your inner self!)

stopsingh jee, please STOP!! Looks like you are giving more value to a piece of paper in comparison to the ardas that was done in Sangat and words that were spoken in front of Guru ji. Do you think that is appropriate? Here, everybody's "demand" was that they should apologise and now that they have done it, what else do you want? You should be happy that your "mission" has been accomplished! And if I am not wrong, you are also part of sangat that comes to the BSC, is it not?

Well "TevPrasad Singh" jee, these things dont happen everyday! If you were so interested in having an apology, you shold have come to BSC to listen to it - it was done in presence of Sangat itself! What is more important to you, words written on a piece of paper or words spoken in front of Guru ji? (If your preference is paper then I'm sorry my friend, I have nothing more to say to you.)