mohinder pal

I think we have mahan Scholars here in SIKHSANGAT who are far better in giving examples of Gurbani.

Looking at our Side, we should also be aware of the fact even though SGGSJI and Shri Guru Dasam Granth was written by our Satgurus yet we raise doubts on the authenticity of the Gurbani.

Looking at the above posts, it was correctly prophesied by Vedas or Rishis and Munis. Looking for the Evidence which is in the Suraj Parkash Granth where in It is clearly mentioned when Nanua Pandit read vedas and found out that there would be a Birth of a PURAN Parmershwar Akal Jot in the form of Dhan Dhan Guru Nanak Dev ji; Nanua thought HE is the GUru Nanak Dev ji(becuase his name was somehow related to GUru Nanak Dev ji) also he already knew all 4 vedas, shasters and smrities orally and had immense knowldege of Relgions. Many people started worshipping him without relizing the fact that He is fake.

Then Guru Nanak Dev ji along with Mardana and Bala went to Haridwar side and met with Nanua and had a Sidh Ghost type of Conversation. then Nanua told to all that Guru Nanak Dev ji is not me and asked for forgiveness from Guru Nanak Dev ji.

I agree 100% and I believe that we kalyugi jeevs are bigger sinners than Ravan was in Satyug of Sri Ram Chandra. We are not disrespecting anyone but trying to understand what guru sahib Ji is saying about avtari purushs.

Maharaj ji is telling only and only one Thing in SGGSji and also in Shri Dasam Granth Ji, i.e

HAR KA NAAM MERE MANN BHAVTA HAI, VAHO VAHO KYA KHOOB GAVTA HAI

SInce Guru Gobind SIngh ji Maharaj was Akal Purakh Jot, thus he had authority to point to mistakes which earlier avtaars made. But we are not even sikh and should avoid doing Ninda of Avtaars(of any religion) and be more concerned about ourselfs(of Our life boat which is sunk).

Give Respect to Others, If you want the same in Return.

SOme can control this urge and some cannot. It all depends on which avasthaa is he in.

We cannot Interpret this avasthaa because we have not felt it.

koeI AwKY BUqnw ko khY byqwlw ]

koeI AwKY AwdmI nwnku vycwrw ]1]

BieAw idvwnw swh kw nwnku baurwnw ]

hau hir ibnu Avru n jwnw ]1] rhwau ]

Have you heard of Word Called "MASTANA" in Gurbani; if not please please ask any Puran Sant Mahapursh what is the avastha of a Mastana

Jida Vishvash(Faith) Vada, Ohda Guru Vada.

kysw kw kir cvru Fulwvw crx DUiV muiK lweI ]1] rhwau ]

kaysaa kaa kar chavar dhulaavaa charan Dhoorh mukh laa-ee. ||1|| rahaa-o.

I make my hair into a fan, and wave it over them; I apply the dust of their feet to my face. ||1||Pause||

Yes u can . Do it lots. I cannot see y not. Ther is story of a prosutute th did Simran . I cant think of the name. So u should to also

Her name was Ganika

Whaeguru Waheguru...

Why are you avoiding my simple request of a Gurmat action, for you to provide Gurbani for you claims? And this will be my last request, if not then its easy to see where your coming from.

Veerji YOU WOn

Mirror Veerji, you are correct from one side but this Shabad can be compare to Our Guru Sahibaan's Life also

what was Bhai Lehna ji before receiving Guruship from Guru Nanak Dev ji. What was Guru Ramdas before receiving Guruship from Guru Amardas ji. if we read Suraj Prakash granth, we can find infinte examples How from Guru Nanak dev ji till SGGSji ...TESTS were conducted before passing Guruship to another.

I think You are taking it very Personal here veerji. I never wanted to offend you.

Its your destiny and luck if you do not want to read the ebook of sant mahapursh. I just wanted to tell that it will give more insight detailed Information of Bhagats with GURBANI quotes

Har Har Jan Duee Ayk Hai(n) Bib Bichar Kachh Naahi

Bani Prabh Ki Sabh Ko Bole,

Aap Adol Na Kabho Dholee

Which Puran Sant/Guru did Satguru Sri Guru Gobind Singh Sahib ji Maharaj look for? If Satguru Sri Guru Gobind Singh Sahib ji Maharaj was looking for a Puran Sant/Guru, then why didn't he say: Vah Vah Gobind Rai Ape Gur Chela? By your thinking Satguru Sri Guru Gobind Singh Sahib ji Maharaj started looking for a Puran Sant/Guru after he gave Amrit to the Sikhs, which means Guru Sahib was not jivan mukht, which translates into saying Guru Sahib had faults in him. You are slandering Guru Sahib and you don't even care. Also Satguru Sri Guru Gobind Singh Sahib ji Maharaj was given Guruship at the early age of 9, in 1675. By your understanding at this time Satguru was not pure and is able to teach wrong and had faults in him. And he only got pure after giving Amrit?

You have taken Bani of Maharaj and completely twisted it to serve your manmat ideas. In the process you had no problem slandering Guru Sahib as well. Also you can't go back and say, I was saying Guru Sahib's Guru was Vaheguru, because then you wouldn't have pointed out to Vah Vah Gobind Singh Ape Gur Chela. This Bani specifically speaks to Guru Sahib after he took Amrit and is saying I am the follower of the Khalsa and the Guru of the Khalsa, as Guru Sahib himself took Amrit and gave Amrit.

I hope in the future you think about the young kids that read post on here and how you're misleading post can mislead them.

I THIINK YOU FORGOT OUR GRANDFATHER GURU TEG BAHADUR JI, Father of GURU Gobind Singh ji who had given guruship to Guru Gobind singh ji.(Vaho Vaho Gobind singh Ape Guru Chela)

Please read Suraj Parkash Granth before raising such typo questions here.

You are 100% correct Mirror Veerji.

Sant nand singh ji Maharaj had told,

Stick to your religions(whether you are Hindu,Muslim,Sikh,christian) and follow the code of conduct given by your religious's Holy Granth or Holy Book. and never do Ninda of other religion because in the eyes of akal all religions he had created are equivalent.

Our Satguru is Maryada Parshotsam, and made it very clear

SAACh Kahon Sunn leyo Sabe Jin Prem Kyo Tin he Prabh Paeyo.

Guru Gobind singh ji Maharaj is not telling just to sikhs but to "Sabhe" all humanity.

I hope you can provide Gurbani, with ang number and which Shabad to say the above. I'll will be waiting for these Shabads.

What evidence are you looking for....Those bhagats were muslims by their religion yet their gurbani is written in SGGSJI.

Also please refer to ebooks of Sant Waryam singh ji ratwara sahib wale to get more insight of Bhagat Fareed ji life in very detailed description with Gurbani Quotes and How Did he meet Puran Muslism Sant to merge with Akal PUrakh.

@ Mirror veerji, You are absolutely right. I didnot mean thAT YOU are wrong. just wanted to highlight few points.

Since i'm living in UAE(a Muslim country), I know few Muslim friends(Bori sect) who do worship Pir of age around 60-70(Please donot compare Pir with Some Black magic or Voombo jhoombho), They have told me that they dodnot worship him beacuse he had shown some divine powers or something but whenever they go to his sangat, they feel strong presence of Naam Simran and they feel very peacful and joyful presence. Even though worshipping any Human in Islam is strongly prohibited, yet they worship him and they even had put his pictures in their offices.

But the only problem now in other religion is that. There has to be Puran Sant in other religion who can give NAAM.

We are fortunate that we can get Gurumantra from PANJ PYARE which are equivalent to GURU SAHIB but its very very difficult to find Puran Sant in other religion.

Here the problem starts

Veerji who said you will find puran sants only in Sikh dharam. AVAL ALLAH NOOR UPAYA KUDRAT KE SAB BANDE. Allah/Waheguru/Ram/Rahim/Akal Purakh didnot differentiate that HE IS SIKH....HE IS MUSLIM........HE IS CHRISTIAN......HE IS JEW. Uthe amalan de hon gye Nibere, kise ne nahi teri Jaat pushni.

Even Krishan Maharaj ji had to obtain teachings from his guru, Even Jesus christ had to bow to his Guru, Even after spending 36 years by doing tapp, Bhagt a Farid ji had to go to look for Puran sant/Guru, that is why GURu gobind singh ji said VAHO VAHO GOBIND SINGH APE GUR CHELA.

If we are telling its difficult to find Puran sant/guru in other relegions, then pardon me what i am going to say. HOW MUCH WE ARE GIVING RESPECT TO PURAN SANTS and Mahapursh who are in sikh dharam.

With out Puran Satguru/Sant/Mahapursh, Earth cannot even survive for one microsecond. that is why even if you roam entire earth right now, you woul find a Puran Sant Mahapursh(one or may be more than one).But

Tu Beant ko virla Jaane,Gurprashad ko Shabad Pehchane.

Also Remember That Bhagat like Kabir ji , Farid ji didnot get VAHEGURU mnatar from their Gurus, They did naam simran of gurumantar given by their guru(Ramanand ji incase of Bhagat Kabir ji and Bhaktiyar Kaki in case of Bhagat Fareed ji).

soriT mhlw 5 Gru 2 AstpdIAw (641-16)

sorath mehlaa 5 ghar 2 asatpadee-aa

Sorat'h, Fifth Mehl, Second House, Ashtapadees:

<> siqgur pRswid ] (641-16)

ik-o^Nkaar satgur parsaad.

One Universal Creator God. By The Grace Of The True Guru:

pwTu piVE Aru bydu bIcwirE invil BuAMgm swDy ] (641-17, soriT, mÚ 5)

paath parhi-o ar bayd beechaari-o nival bhu-angam saaDhay.

They read scriptures, and contemplate the Vedas; they practice the inner cleansing techniques of Yoga, and control of the breath.

pMc jnw isau sMgu n CutikE AiDk AhMbuiD bwDy ]1] (641-17, soriT, mÚ 5)

panch janaa si-o sang na chhutki-o aDhik aha^N-buDh baaDhay. ||1||

But they cannot escape from the company of the five passions; they are increasingly bound to egotism. ||1||

ipAwry ien ibiD imlxu n jweI mY kIey krm Anykw ] (641-18, soriT, mÚ 5)

pi-aaray in biDh milan na jaa-ee mai kee-ay karam anaykaa.

O Beloved, this is not the way to meet the Lord; I have performed these rituals so many times.

hwir pirE suAwmI kY duAwrY dIjY buiD ibbykw ] rhwau ] (641-18, soriT, mÚ 5)

haar pari-o su-aamee kai du-aarai deejai buDh bibaykaa. rahaa-o.

I have collapsed, exhausted, at the Door of my Lord Master; I pray that He may grant me a discerning intellect. ||Pause||

moin BieE krpwqI rihE ngn iPirE bn mwhI ] (641-19, soriT, mÚ 5)

mon bha-i-o karpaatee rahi-o nagan firi-o ban maahee.

One may remain silent and use his hands as begging bowls, and wander naked in the forest.

qt qIrQ sB DrqI BRimE duibDw CutkY nwhI ]2] (641-19, soriT, mÚ 5)

tat tirath sabh Dhartee bharmi-o dubiDhaa chhutkai naahee. ||2||

He may make pilgrimages to river banks and sacred shrines all over the world, but his sense of duality will not leave him. ||2||

mn kwmnw qIrQ jwie bisE isir krvq Drwey ] (642-1, soriT, mÚ 5)

man kaamnaa tirath jaa-ay basi-o sir karvat Dharaa-ay.

His mind's desires may lead him to go and dwell at sacred places of pilgrimage, and offer his head to be sawn off;

mn kI mYlu n auqrY ieh ibiD jy lK jqn krwey ]3] (642-2, soriT, mÚ 5)

man kee mail na utrai ih biDh jay lakh jatan karaa-ay. ||3||

but this will not cause the filth of his mind to depart, even though he may make thousands of efforts. ||3||

kink kwimnI hYvr gYvr bhu ibiD dwnu dwqwrw ] (642-2, soriT, mÚ 5)

kanik kaaminee haivar gaivar baho biDh daan daataaraa.

He may give gifts of all sorts - gold, women, horses and elephants.

AMn bsqR BUim bhu Arpy nh imlIAY hir duAwrw ]4] (642-3, soriT, mÚ 5)

ann bastar bhoom baho arpay nah milee-ai har du-aaraa. ||4||

He may make offerings of corn, clothes and land in abundance, but this will not lead him to the Lord's Door. ||4||

pUjw Arcw bMdn fMfauq Ktu krmw rqu rhqw ] (642-3, soriT, mÚ 5)

poojaa archaa bandan dand-ut khat karmaa rat rahtaa.

He may remain devoted to worship and adoration, bowing his forehead to the floor, practicing the six religious rituals.

hau hau krq bMDn mih pirAw nh imlIAY ieh jugqw ]5] (642-4, soriT, mÚ 5)

ha-o ha-o karat banDhan meh pari-aa nah milee-ai ih jugtaa. ||5||

He indulges in egotism and pride, and falls into entanglements, but he does not meet the Lord by these devices. ||5||

jog isD Awsx caurwsIh ey BI kir kir rihAw ] (642-4, soriT, mÚ 5)

jog siDh aasan cha-oraaseeh ay bhee kar kar rahi-aa.

He practices the eighty-four postures of Yoga, and acquires the supernatural powers of the Siddhas, but he gets tired of practicing these.

vfI Awrjw iPir iPir jnmY hir isau sMgu n gihAw ]6] (642-5, soriT, mÚ 5)

vadee aarjaa fir fir janmai har si-o sang na gahi-aa. ||6||

He lives a long life, but is reincarnated again and again; he has not met with the Lord. ||6||

rwj lIlw rwjn kI rcnw kirAw hukmu APwrw ] (642-6, soriT, mÚ 5)

raaj leelaa raajan kee rachnaa kari-aa hukam afaaraa.

He may enjoy princely pleasures, and regal pomp and ceremony, and issue unchallenged commands.

syj sohnI cMdnu coAw nrk Gor kw duAwrw ]7] (642-6, soriT, mÚ 5)

sayj sohnee chandan cho-aa narak ghor kaa du-aaraa. ||7||

He may lie on beautiful beds, perfumed with sandalwood oil, but this will led him only to the gates of the most horrible hell. ||7||

hir kIriq swDsMgiq hY isir krmn kY krmw ] (642-7, soriT, mÚ 5)

har keerat saaDhsangat hai sir karman kai karmaa.

Singing the Kirtan of the Lord's Praises in the Saadh Sangat, the Company of the Holy, is the highest of all actions.

khu nwnk iqsu BieE prwpiq ijsu purb ilKy kw lhnw ]8] (642-7, soriT, mÚ 5)

kaho naanak tis bha-i-o paraapat jis purab likhay kaa lahnaa. ||8||

Says Nanak, he alone obtains it, who is pre-destined to receive it. ||8||

qyro syvku ieh rMig mwqw ] (642-8, soriT, mÚ 5)

tayro sayvak ih rang maataa.

Your slave is intoxicated with this Love of Yours.

BieE ik®pwlu dIn duK BMjnu hir hir kIrqin iehu mnu rwqw ] rhwau dUjw ]1]3] (642-8)

bha-i-o kirpaal deen dukh bhanjan har har keertan ih man raataa. rahaa-o doojaa. ||1||3||

The Destroyer of the pains of the poor has become merciful to me, and this mind is imbued with the Praises of the Lord, Har, Har. ||Second Pause||1||3|| ang 641

So point out where in their religious scriptures does Naam Simran exist or even point out Satguru's grace?

REHAT PEYARI MUJKO SIKH PYARA NAHI.

Sufi Sant like Bhulle shah, Sarmast, inayat hussain, Rumi and many more achived that avasthaa which is described in SGGSJI. Outer Amrit is given by Panj Payre is just given to awaken the Immortal Amrit Inside you.

Some people think just by having Amirt from Panj payre, You are done . But that is the first step to get admission in to Satguru's School. People like me didnot even pass Kindergarten of Satguru's Class and talk about higher avasthas.

If above point are not being observed by us.....then those hindu wives or Fasting wives(of sikh families) are far better than us.