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The story doesn’t move me either. Don’t now the guy and don’t care for bhangra much. Do appreciate most genuine artists. Didn’t read far enough into the story to see exactly on what basis he would be referred to as a fool. But none of that pushed me to post.
However… Sstriker? Dude what’s up with suggesting some stranger, the woman in the picture, is a prostitute? Not cool anywhere. Very not cool on a sikh forum.
All I recall is you’ve been around forever with I think some decent perspectives. Bro consider retracting that.
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8 hours ago, Sukhvirk76 said:
Thank you for your reply. Let me please clarify, at no point would I identify with the teacher who told you that that your child is half Brazilian and half sikh.. I find it difficult to understand why with the expression of the opinions I have made you could possibly think that.
I also had the same thought as JKV because of your fused references to interracial and interfaith. The two have nothing to do with one another from a Sikh perspective or any logical perspective. Race is irrelevant to the discussion at hand. You fuse this as part of a query but also as a lead up to a personal criticism of JKV. You needed to mention the two together but rather than own your thought you decide to say “some may call it...”. I was liking your open mindedness but all of us, including you and I, have our limits I guess.
8 hours ago, Sukhvirk76 said:I also feel that you haven't responded to the questions I actually asked. Which is your prerogative.
Absolutely it is her prerogative. Do you mean that?
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8 hours ago, Sukhvirk76 said:But I have to ask if you would be so kind as to consider the actual specific question I posed?
Didn’t you just say it’s her prerogative? One sister justifying her personal life has zero probative value to the general question at hand. You’ve been courteous in many of your postings. Nice to see someone courteously pushing thought. However, this is beyond an ad hominem attack. Perhaps it did not occur to you that pushing this query upon a sister as part of a criticism and asking her to justify her personal life on a public forum is distasteful. Asking nicely makes it more repulsive. In most cases, a woman’s truth would put most men to shame for asking such questions. Regardless, it’s not for you or any of us to push.
JKV my apologies if I got in your way. I know you are a capable warrior with capable responses.
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Everyone can use humility you bring forward.
In your case, meditate in action and your thoughts will follow. If you really mean to leave the past behind, then do what you are meant to do in the present. Don’t negotiate in your mind with Guruji. Simply follow by serving humanity. Be a humble courageous servant. Seek your high in that service, and you can let go of the score. If you find you are keeping score then no degree of heroics is seva.
There is much hardship, injustice and suffering around us. You don’t have to save the world, but you do have a duty as a Sikh to serve the world that surrounds you. Do not seek seva that is advertising. If you’re in a large metropolis, quietly and humbly commit to a cause or assisting in a cause. If you are not, find a way to assist others. Surely there are people around us that can use our help. Do not expect to get any widespread recognition and do not care. You do it as a way of being and it becomes an integral part of how you function. Your reward for the action is the action and nothing more.
In your everyday dealings be courteous, be fair, be principled. This is not only in your mind to your standards but seek out what that means to the point of where you challenge yourself. Become well read and understand the world around you to further your active contribution to humanity.
Be kind, but principled and courageous to the extent that you are never afraid being the only one to take on an unpopular position. If necessary courageously absorb hardship and loneliness to be the first to defend others, especially those more vulnerable. Again, be extremely well read on any issues for which you fight.
Be confident, happy, humble. But don’t judge yourself negatively or positively. In Sikhi “sin” may or may not be part of yesterday, but it’s certainly part of apathy and comfort in the present.
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Perfect response jkvl! Thank you!
So perfect I'll simply echo...
I don't care what faith one claims. If you use ANY woman like this, it's our duty to stop you.
you have said similar BS things before ...sharam kar our ancestors moral character was so high even our enemies had to admire them for it .When singhs start doing scummy things like you suggest , our dastars will be permanently thrown in the mud and the reputation of the kaum will be ashes . Take it from me a dastar wearing Sikh bibi , if I ever catch a SIngh using ANY girl like this I will beat seven bells out of him , they are my daughters and sisters too
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You marry a western girl and you will hate this decision for the rest of your life. Western bibian are like a mirage. Once the true inside desires morals ethics come out. It's a girl into all of the night life things but wears a dastar. It's very rare to find a bibian who will not be like this. ...
Bro re-evaluate what you said there, it’s not you. That’s a desi trump comment deserving of a harsh rebuke. However, I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt and try to keep it simple.
Let’s not generalize race and sex to denigrate women in this manner. This sexism is typical of indian reverse-orientalism. It comes, not from knowledge of western women, but, from indian men’s own fantasies. That’s not you, and you can do better.
We need to seriously step up our game if we are claiming Sikhi.
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Congrats on coming this far! But don't insult yourself bro.
It only takes a rudimentary education and an iota of courage to be clean bearded. Read what you need and stop living in the prison of your fear.
Think about it bro. It's a absolute despicable shame that so many punjabis claiming Sikhi could not grow a beard. But as soon as their Hollywood white male admiration interests grew one, they couldn't shave. Impotent sheeps mane. Their white masters fashion will shear those sheep soon enough. Be a lion bro.
p.s. as for the race reference , colonial slavery mindset still exists. But to my white bro Sikhs, you are amongst the bravest and most precious lions.
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Quantavirus your personal attacks against Balkar are completely unnecessary. He's outclassing you by a country mile in style in being patient with your personal attack. In addition, unlike you, he's actually making a responsive and on topic point.
Are you multiple people using this account? I recall interesting respectful views that in the past that seem to have come from a different person.
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What about safety? I rather be safe then sorry.
I would also rather be safe than sorry. That's why turbans should be mandated at all times outside the home to mitigate against head injuries. I also don't want to be paying for someone's medical bills who was a pedestrian or vehicle driver and chose not to wear a turban to provide some degree of protection. Oh and motorcycles, they are dangerous, they should be banned.
In other words, not so simple.
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Good advice above about getting independent adult support. Consider telling the family you are grateful to them and as you say love them as your own family, but would consider it disrespectful to Sikhi if you adopted it or any faith to secure stable housing and food on the table.
Are they suggesting you leave the house if you don't adopt Sikhi? As suggested in posts above you should respect basic house rules. Are you able to get in touch with young Sikh sangat for support? You know you have the right Sikh support if they say you should not feel pressured to adopt SikhI.
Reading your post, you are a warrior in life at a young age and you are forced to contemplate the human condition. You obviously have accepted Sikhs as family regardless of your own leanings. Please continue to lean on the wider community, the gurdwara and this forum as you need.
You will always be part of the wider Sikh family. In that sense Greg consider yourself loved and adopted by us, and especially us on this forum regardless of your faith as long as you support truth and humanity. You are our child and our little bro with full and equal privileges of family on this forum.
Study hard and know we're here anytime you wish to reach out.
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Imagine if there was a faith that at it's very core and inception had this message rather than have to retrofit messaging to appeal to today's masses. It's all the rage and religion to 'love all' to get them to your church, mosque or temple. Nonetheless, nice gesture with enough left to opposing interpretations to please all. Good yet clichéd politics perhaps?
I trust the word and intentions of a sincere Christian, Muslim or Hindu sister or brother far more than institutions steeped in marketing and exclusivity.
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Sorry to digress for a moment. It's almost worthy of a stand alone post on this forum. MisterSingh's comments earlier in this thread about refraining from making arguments personal assist us all in learning from one another. I am certainly not immune to this mistake and it takes ongoing work. It's not always easy to find the right mix of passion and reason. We can detract from our own interesting points by making things personal.
MisterSingh's approach is not a mere strategy or surface communication. It's a state of mind that's integral to any saint-soldier. Beautiful thoughts and approach bro.
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Somewhat of an interesting study opening the topic... worth 3 seconds of thought. No poster seems to have concluded anything serious from the study. And we should be careful not to do that. We are doomed if we believe height equates to some kind of merit. We might as well speak of how fair we are or how dark we are. Sadly, we do. Our guruji’s threw such notions aside long ago.
For all we know genetically we grow the fastest to age 5 and then the slowest thereafter. For all we know it’s due to the growth hormone in dairy which we consume in the greatest amounts, and it also is the cause of high rates of diabetes and may lead to other issues over generations.
I prefer to compare ourselves to ourselves and every self to oneself. For a nation of warriors we must be in better shape. We don’t all need to be bodybuilders. However, for a Sikh, mind, body and soul are all important. There are a few people who genetically may have challenges and respect to them for dealing with that. But for most of us, we have designer clothes and cars to mask an overfed belly and lazy scared mind. Show me a person who thinks height is paramount and I’ll show you a wimp of a target.
When it comes to genetic advancement, our guruji’s gave their heads for multiculturalism and a humanity of one race culminating in the Khalsa hundreds of years before anyone imagined multiculturalism. Spiritually and genetically, that is the most advanced human way forward. The roar we were entrusted with was one that would see humanity genetically flourish through sikhi across the globe as per the Khalsa blueprint. Lets refrain from hijacking sikhi as punjabi domain and attempting to roar about 3 centimeters at age 5.
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Cheering you on bro. Somehow you're an inspiration to even those who don't drink. We can all do better for ourselves is what I'm learning from you.
With respect to changing your circle and cutting people out, err on the side of caution. But if you are feeling strong enough, you can still interact with those people in other environments and do different things. They can be carefully planned so alcohol is simply not feasible.
It can make things more difficult if you are not respected by them for your stance, plans change and you're tempted. However, it might also make things easier if you can maintain some social ties with very old friends.
Drinking or not, friendships evolve over time and through life's stages. Be smart about it and it's OK to see the good in your old friends and still call them your friends.
......- The hardest thing is changing your circle and cutting people out, Ive had the same group of friends since I was young but as SGGS says, nothing lasts in this world
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A very good point made in the post above is to have a single answer that you can resort to whenever asked. Regardless of your personal situation, it's not a question that ever requires a direct answer.
You can keep the answer as vague or even suggest a broader mind in your answer as you wish. I don't suggest the answer be too flippant as you should not have to deal with negative energy. The answer should take little energy. People ask like robots, insensitively. Sometimes it's for conversation and greeting more than an answer. Forgive them for that failure and reciprocate with as little thought as they have put into it.
Your mind will magnify what is going on for other people because of your own situation.Keep in mind there are huge number of couples with similar challenges. Many good people struggle with the step prior, which is having a life partner. Other people also have behind the scenes personal struggles of all kinds, marriage, financial, health, trust issues, mental health, etc.
Sikh bonds and love are no where near blood or DNA. Don't restrain from enjoying and loving life and contributing to your community. Every one of us can imagine different circumstances. We are all blessed in different ways. You have honesty and insight about your own feelings. That will go a long ways in keeping positive.
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I want to make it absolutely clear that this is not in support of anything Jagsaw says and in want to take great care not to align with his views which originate from an entirely different place. Dallysingh the fact that many are restraining themselves from lashing out against you in the same manner you are lashing out, shows they are not ‘all the same’ as your posts suggest. Your posts are going beyond calling out the self-congratulatory supremacist belief of one group. The repetitive and all-encompassing approach ends up insulting an entire group and starts to merge with the very thing you are criticizing.
Jagsaw, you may be too proud to take it, but here’s a hand reaching out to help you as you’re obliterating yourself here. I suggest you have another look at your posts in reference to women and consider apologizing. I’m not too concerned about us. But when someone is gasping for oxygen in the manner you are it is decency to throw out a lifesaver.
To any sisters on this forum, that is some of the most disgusting commentary I have seen on this forum. To those who were personally brought into it, you handled yourself with dignity, grace and class. The target of those comments can not just be you or other women. Those are not your problems or insults. We stand united in any long road on or off this forum to counter this type of misogyny. Kudos as well to the brothers who have stepped forward to make their position clear on this.
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You were not imparting knowledge as you suggest, but also racism/casteism. And you were well aware of that effect as you acknowledged in your own post referring to past reaction toward your posts. This is further illustrated by the pattern in many of your postings. Others have called you on it at various times. It is the repetition of that casteist perspective in posts that takes representation of Sikhi to the gutter.
Disguise it in as much selective armchair history as you wish, but at the end of the day if everyone started imparting knowledge in the manner you did, we would be speaking of negative characteristics via caste identification of all types of groups. There would be a barrage of examples of characteristics for all groups.
The people who I hear speak the loudest for caste in Sikhi are jatts. However, those are also the people who I hear despise jattism more than anyone else. In particular the single trait that you will hear Sikhs who happen to be jatts find most disgusting amongst other jatts is caste pride. They have rejected caste to select Sikhi and are outspoken warriors for Sikhi in this respect.
This jattism they speak against is no different than a racism that is ingrained from childhood. This type of casteist cultural upbringing is a brainwashing that is so deep that it is overcome by therapy or very difficult self-examination. Rational thought or simple intelligence can mask it, but it still exists and will resurface.
A racism so strong and mainstream is not the type that can simply be considered as fringe element in our society. It is a disease living amongst us. It brings out the worst counter hatred from all other groups amongst a society of Sikhs that still struggles to extract itself from caste. It is very important to note that counter-hatred is hatred plain and simple. It is no less judgmental or wrong. Otherwise every single group will say “we are simply reacting” or “we are simply stating facts”. The anti-jatt contingent is very good at attempting to excuse its own ugly casteism with this.
There can be a place and manner to identify traits amongst groups. Respectfully, you are the last person who should take on something like this. It is something that takes great insight to be done for any effective purpose. For the largest majority of us, we should clean up our own backyard. For me that backyard is Sikhs and there is plenty of cleaning up to do right across the board. By pointing fingers at “the other” much of who our minds create, we are simply ignoring our own mess.
Our Guruji’s Sikhi has been cut off from the world by caste ridden punjabi illiteracy. On its own it would effortlessly spread its wings across the globe, across cultures, and across current race constructs. Our guruji’s were visionaries for the human race centuries ago. Sikhi would be the model of global harmony and mixed families in sikhi saroop. Yet how sad that while the world breaks down fleeting constructs of race, we are still stuck with versions of punjabi.
We claim to be Sikhs but if push comes to shove we live and think as a indu subcaste. If it quacks like a …. , so step up your game and stop quacking bro.
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Jagsaw really bro? I visit here to maybe learn something, maybe share something positive. Instead you've puked all over the forum again and we have to attend to the odor. It's even worse when you try to present the mess as intellect.
You've just very generally described the modus operandi of a wide array of the Punjabi diaspora.
Not sure what effect you're intending. Not sure that you even know. Identifying a group may be of some value for analysis if done maturely.
However, constantly repeating the same caste hate in posts does not come across as analysis. Rather it appears as something that arises from deep rooted caste issues.
Before any one of us get too righteous, jagsaw is prolific and transparent with his fog...but there is no shortage of hateful generalizations from too many of us. I have to include myself in this as my schemas would burst if I stopped hating too quickly. I remain disappointed with just about every type who call themselves Sikh.
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K1469 your reply is an example of calm power in leadership. Only those who walk their talk are capable of haste.
Perhaps it's understood, but to be clear, the post was not equating the bull in China shop to admin seva. We need to ensure we don't inadvertantly contribute to that approach. Our duty is to be a fearless, but also dignified, warrior. Appreciate the work that goes into this forum.
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why the need to have BEADBI next to the What's Happening title?
why the need to have BEADBI next to the What's Happening title?
Despite good intentions, this focus on the new title is strange on a Sikh forum. This is likely to add fuel to true mischief. It gives the impression of a faith with religious police hung up on 'infidels' and 'evil'. Beadbi needs to be addressed from a Sikhi position of calm power not mass outrage. It certainly is not a headline concern of a warrior's path.
We too often get extremes of uncoordinated bull in a china shop or a cowardly pack of sheep to afraid to say anything.
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Have you ever asked why you can't go to a courtroom and try dancing in the name of justice and on legislation?
Why haven't you asked that?
When you sit still and absorb gurbani and move to serve in accordance with gurbani only then is one capable of experiencing dance.
Please do not pollute sikhi and yourself with casual caste id's such as ramgharia or jatt.
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Nice post, very well said. However, the last part about 'massacre' is slightly misstated.
There was nothing stated about 'forcing children' by suggesting that cutting kesh is massacre or forcing anyone for that matter. No one should be forced, shamed etc.
At the same time, no one should attempt to redefine Sikhi. An important point is the issue is not with those that don't have kesh, but those who disrespect to suggest it's not necessary, and there are plenty. Ram Rahim attempts to redefine Sikhi and we are up in arms. But if our brothers and sisters openly oppose Guru Gobind SIngh Ji and suggest kesh are a mere option, we speak of acceptance.
People leaving Sikhi altogether are not a problem in this scenario. Non-keshdhari's who have a deep respect and will say kesh are necessary are not a problem in this scenario. The problem lies with a large number of non-keshdharis willing to shout from the rooftops that kesh are unnecessary for Sikhi. They are directly attacking Sikhi causing greater harm than any external enemy.
We have have printed angs of gurbani gifted to by us by our Guruji and when someone else tears them up, a city shuts down. However, if we ourselves insist we are Sikhs and suggest it's optional to cut Guruji's gift of kesh, a gift that is physically attached to our body, and throw it in the garbage, there is no issue with that!!? Again, the issue is not with those that don't have kesh, but those who disrespect to suggest it's not necessary.
If kesh is a gift of Guru Gobind Singh Ji and an adult says I proudly claim Sikhi and despite Guruji it is perfectly fine to cut kesh and throw them in the garbage, then that is nothing less than a 'massacre' of kesh.
Your post bravely speaks of love and acceptance. You in this case, and we as a collective, only truly get there when amritdhari's/keshdari's don't display polite cowardice to play a numbers game, and non-keshdhari's have a respect deep enough not to try to redefine Sikhi to suit their own limits.
No it isnt ok for sikhs to 'massacre' their hair. However what about after? Since someone thinks they cannot keep this gift, are they forever unredeemable, unable to do anything good? This i think is the case of moneh shaheeds. They refused the gift of hair and maybe also consequently sikhi, but they could not deny the good causes sikhs were fighting for. They could not sit on the sidelines and just watch. So they joined in and gave their life. This is admirable and deserving of the shaheed title. So even if someone is not amritdhari/keshdhari, they can do good things and admirable things. I think everyone agrees with this.
I think the conflict arises in calling them 'sikhs'. When they reject the main rules of sikhi, are they sikhs? I think this problem arises as SGGS is supposed to be jagat guru as well as The Guru of the sikhs. So is anyone following SGGS a sikh? According to sikh rehat maryada, yes as long as not following anyone else and believes in 10 gurus and so on.
I like what jkvlondon says that sehajdhari is progress ( ppl of other faiths slowly coming into sikhi) not regression (children of amridhari/sikh families going monah). Thats why the source provided by dally singh is ambigious. Were those cut haired siques new into sikhi or for generations staying sehajdhari or was there an upward movement into the amridharis.
At the end of the day, we cant and shouldnt judge ppls avasthas on their appearance. Also i would rather that sikh families allowed children choice then force them to be kesdhari, by saying things like this is a massacre of a gift. The true assests to the panth come when mone decide by themselves through inspiration to come to sikhi. Such as jugraj singh,manvir singh etc. They done a lot more than ppl growing up in sikhi environment. Cuz they were inspired and chose themselves. Also they werent closeted as many who grow up as sikhs are.4 -
First bro, if we were to sit down, I would likely support many of your sentiments. We all have an interest in sikhi and we're all here to learn from one another.
Not sure about rational based in history. It's also a work of fiction or propaganda to suggest there were times in history of peoplekind without murders. That would not be a basis to say murder is OK.
The gift of Sikh Guru's gifted is certainly not fiction or propaganda. You did not answer my second question.
Are you saying it is OK for some Sikhs to massacre that gift of our Guruji?
I just told you, and gave you historical evidence (and there is a lot more of it) that the Sikh community has never been solely Amritdhari or keshdhari.
I don't understand why some people don't get this? It's a work of fiction or propaganda to suggest all Sikhs, post 1699 were Amritdharis, or that the Sikh community didn't exist in harmony in the past as a mixture of sehajdhari/monay and Amritdharis.
That's all I'm saying - I'm not telling keshdhari or Amritdhari Sikhs to cut their kesh.
I don't get why people don't grasp this simple thing?
Starstriker, dally, khoon etc. I'm trying to understand your reactions. They are not uncommon stances. The point about respect for all people I understand.
But the open rationalization or defense of cutting kesh as a sikh in the same breath never quite makes sense to me.
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Starstriker, dally, khoon etc. I'm trying to understand your reactions. They are not uncommon stances. The point about respect for all people I understand.
But the open rationalization or defense of cutting kesh as a sikh in the same breath never quite makes sense to me.
Are you saying it's OK for all Sikhs to massacre their kesh? Are you saying it is OK for some Sikhs to massacre that gift of our Guruji?
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Women who date non Sikhs - What should we do with them?
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Men who think like this - What should we do with them?
Sorry bro, no personal attack intended. But some food for thought for you. And hopefully some hope for sisters of the world and this forum that there are men who stand behind you in your fight against this type of sexism.
BT somewhere in your thinking there may be something constructive on an issue. Please think it through, as the comment comes across as sexist rant, not as a meaningful contribution.