Arthur

We in Britain, I include all who are born here aspire to a set of values, freedom, democracy, human rights and we all try to get along, don't always succeed in what we aspire too but the effort is being made. So the question you have to ask your self is do the Islamists make the same effort, the short answer it seems to me, is no they don't, they don't want any part of this country, yours and my country, they want it to be Islamised, because according to them Allah owns the whole planet anyway they have a god bidden duty to convert us all. Of course there are things that could be better in this society of ours but they could be a whole lot worse. I am constantly critical of things that happen here and thank goodness I have the freedom to do so. Have I ever read of or heard of Sikh or Hindu gangs grooming little girls of any race, no I have not. Do we have Sikh or Hindus blowing up our tubes and buses, no I have not, would any of you here dream of doing such a thing, of course you wouldn't. I am not scaremongering, I am scared tho, scared that we will lose all that's good in this country of ours. It is not just your daughters they target but all our daughters and before you say it, yes there are many good and decent Muslims but it is not them that are the problem, it's the fanatics, they may not be in the majority, but the power they yield is greater because they are fanatics. Arthur.

40 years from now, won't be many non muslims left. Arthur.

That's not what I am saying at all, of course there a decent hardworking peace loving muslims, the majority. But there are a significant minority who are not and it's the problem with these that need to be looked at. Yes a terrible thing, but remember that Arabs had a hand in this too. Arthur.

Hi, there are lots of references to it, http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&pwst=1&sa=X&ei=4JrfTZ9Xy5k644b4-Ak&ved=0CBcQvgUoAA&q=Caliph+Omar%27s+Ultimatum+to+Persian+King,+Yazdgird+III+and+the+King%27s+Response&nfpr=1 I have always under stood it to be true, I read somewhere that It's on a clay tablet in the British museum. Arthur.

Now I ask you, has Islam changed much? no it has not, wake up, their stealth jihad will take all our freedoms away. Do you hear of Sikh, Hindu, Buddist rape gangs, NO, NO, you do not, why because their are not any, read about Charlene Downes, and the 60 young girls abused in Blackpool, abused and murdered, put through a mincing machine and served up as a kebab, is your daughter next? Wake up and fight back I implore you. Arthur.

Caliph Omar's Ultimatum to Persian King, Yazdgird III and the King's Response by Caliph Omar & Yazdgerd Saasaani Text of the ultimatum from Omar Ibn-Khat'tab the Calif of Islam to the Iranina Sovereign, Yazdgerd III: Bism-ellah Ar'rahman Ar'rhim To the Shah of the FarsI do not foresee a good future for you and your nation save your acceptance of my terms and your submission to me. There was a time when your country ruled half the world, but see how now your sun has set. On all fronts your armies have been defeated and your nation is condemned to extinction. I point out to you the path whereby you might escape this fate. Namely, that you begin worshipping the one god, the unique deity, the only god who created all that is. I bring you his message. Order your nation to cease the false worship of fire and to join us, that they may join the truth. Worship Allah the creator of the world. Worship Allah and accept Islam as the path of salvation. End now your polytheistic ways and become Muslims that you may accept Allah-u-Akbar as your savior. This is the only way of securing your own survival and the peace of your Persians. You will do this if you know what is good for you and for your Persians. Submission is your only option. Allah u Akbar. The Calif of Muslims Omar Ibn-Khat'tab Response of the Persian King: In the name of Ahuramazda, the Creator of Life and Wisdom. From the Shahan-Shah of Iran Yazdgerd to Omar Ibn Khat'tab the Arab Calif. In your letter you summon us Iranians to your god whom you call "Allah-u-Akbar"; and because of your barbarity and ignorance, without knowing who we are and Whom we worship, you demand that we seek out your god and become worshippers of "Allah-u-Akbar". How strange that you occupy the seat of the Arab Caliph but are as ignorant as any desert roaming Arab! You admonish me to become monotheistic in faith. Ignorant man, for thousands of years we Aryaee have, in this land of culture and art, been monotheistic and five times a day have we offered prayers to God's Throne of Oneness. While we laid the foundations of philanthropy and righteousness and kindness in this world and held high the ensign of "Good Thoughts, Good Words and Good Deeds", you and your ancestors were desert wanderers who ate snakes and lizards and buried your innocent daughters alive. You Arabs who have no regard for God's creatures, who mercilessly put people to the sword, who mistreat your women and bury you daughters alive, who attack caravans and are highway robbers, who commit murder, who kidnap women and spouses; how dare you presume to teach us, who are above these evils, to worship God? You tell me to cease the worship of fire and to worship God instead! To us Iranians the light of Fire is reminiscent of the Light of God. The radiance and the sun-like warmth of fire exuberates our hearts, and the pleasant warmth of it brings our hearts and spirits closer together, that we may be philanthropic, kind and considerate, that gentleness and forgiveness may become our way of life, and that thereby the Light of God may keep shining in our hearts. Our God is the Great Ahuramazda. Strange is this that you too have now decided to give Him a name, and you call Him by the name of "Allah-u-Akbar". But we are nothing like you. We, in the name of Ahuramazda, practice compassion and love and goodness and righteousness and forgiveness, and care for the dispossessed and the unfortunate; But you, in the name of your "Allah-u-Akbar" commit murder, create misery and subject others to suffering! Tell me truly who is to blame for your misdeeds? Your god who orders genocide, plunder and destruction, or you who do these things in his name? Or both? You, who have spent all your days in brutality and barbarity, have now come out of your desolate deserts resolved to teach, by the blade and by conquest, the worship of God to a people who have for thousands of years been civilized and have relied on culture and knowledge and art as mighty supports. What have you, in the name of your "Allah-u-Akbar", taught these armies of Islam besides destruction and pillage and murder that you now presume to summon others to your god? Today, my people's fortunes have changed. Their armies, who were subjects of Ahuramazada, have now been defeated by the Arab armies of "Allah-u-Akbar". And they are being forced, at the point of the sword, to convert to the god by the name of "Allah-u-Akbar". And are forced to offer him prayers five times a day but now in Arabic; since your "Allah-u-Akbar" only understands Arabic. I advise you to return to your lizard infested deserts. Do not let loose upon our cities your cruel barbarous Arabs who are like rabid animals. Refrain from the murder of my people. Refrain from pillaging my people. Refrain from kidnapping our daughters in the name of your "Allah-u-Akbar". Refrain from these crimes and evils. We Aryaee are a forgiving people, a kind and well-meaning people. Wherever we go, we sow the seeds of goodness, amity and righteousness. And this is why we have the capacity to overlook the crimes and the misdeeds of your Arabs. Stay in your desert with your "Allah-u-Akbar", and do not approach our cities; for horrid is your belief and brutish is your conduct. Yazdgerd Saasaani

Thank you for your help, we got about 20 pages of sigs yesterday. I havn't a link but it appears the trial has been put on hold so gives us more time. Arthur.

More here, http://www.amnesty.org/en/library/asset/MDE25/001/2010/en/fc004126-e17a-483d-ab91-33ce4db4669d/mde250012010en.html

Hi guys, Our Sikh brothers in the EDL are supporting this petition and I wondered if you could all sign this. http://petition.co.uk/save-sikhs-in-dubai Thank you for your help. Arthur.

What's happening in England can be stopped, but only if we unite can we stop Islamisation. It's no good just standing by, we have to force politicians to act, ban sharia courts, ban mosques built with Saudi money. Police universities to stop radicals preaching. Make all schools, including faith schools be multi-ethnic. It's a start. In the long term we need schools to westernise children. In the history of this country freedom has been won many times by the working classes by taking to the streets and to me that's the only course of action left to us. Arthur.

Fight back before it's to late, make your voices heard. Arthur.

Hi, I marched with the EDL on Friday to support Wilders. I saw many people from all sorts of ethnic groups, brown white black, our main speaker was a Sikh and is a member of our leadership team. We get many emails from countries round the world with people supporting us, including India. There is no way that we are racist, we've been labelled and boxed by the media and you only get to see and hear what the media want you to. We are an inclusive group and welcome all who love this country, we couldn't give a flying fig as to colour or religion. It is time to make a stand, to unite so that our freedoms are retained, because they are being chipped away bit by bit and we are the only group fighting back. They, the media, politicians are giving us a racist label in a bid to stop you from joining us. It is simply the old divide and rule. Please don't fall for it. Our agenda is about one single issue, Ismalists, this fight is not about colour, it's about freedom. Arthur.

It is a case of a group asking for equal privileges not special privileges. You had special privileges perhaps. It has been custom in British culture to dictate culture with the barrel of a gun, this person has progressed human culture using legal means. This is the start of an alien invasion, better buy property on Mars. This is closer to one law for all. Prior to this there was one law for some and the same law against some. Yes, I realise that he has campaigned and won a legal battle and good luck to him. The British empire was no worse than all the previous empires in the world and is history. Britain also did some things that today can be considered good, like the abolition of slavery and it should also be remembered that the working classes here were treated just as badly as anyone else and we had to fight inch by inch for our freedoms. Freedoms that are now under attack by our own government and some elements of Islam. The reason I came on this forum was to understand, not to offend, so no I won't be buying any land on Mars thanks. Which of our laws was against some? Cheers, Arthur.

I would dispute the Idea that it would be chaos without religion, it is more a case that it is chaos with religion, most of the troubles around the world are because of religion. I see no real problem with open air cremation as it seems to be a very real requirement of your religion and thanks for the explanation. I can see a problem with knives as unlike the states we are not a weapon carrying nation, I've heard suggested that the blade could be welded to the sheath, is that a solution. We do have a problem here of youths and knife crime. I do realise that there have not been any stabbings by young Sikhs, so I'm not making any accusations. But weapon carrying is forbidden here and all should adhere to this. I agree with you re sharia law but all religions in the UK are bound and should be bound by national law. I have no religion and therefore have some difficulty understanding those who do. Arthur.

Is this not a case of a group within our English community asking for special privileges, it's not a custom in British culture to deal with death in this way. To many this will feel like religion is trying to become a dominant force in a society that has made religion take a back seat and not the driving seat. But the real problem is Islam, which in a way has spoilt things because it has made many of us feel that we are under siege from religion. This one thing on it's own is not really a problem and most people would say, well if that's what they want, fine, but coupled with the demand that we allow school boys to carry knives is worrying, is this the start of something. Is it a departure from the one law for all. Arthur.

Cheers Barfi. Arthur.

Barfi, some of what you say fits in with my behaviour in Italy, I spend six months of the year there and my name changes to Arturo, I give way to Italian culture, I try and fit in, it is my way of being accepted into a way of life I like and don't want to see change. I'm not in favour of globalisation altho I think it is unstoppable. I worry that we will all become clones. Also where the giant companies are concerned I think they take away the local influence and governments become less able to take care of workers because these companies can just shut up shop and go else where, like some of the banks that our taxpayers money rescued. Despite those billion that we spent they have been able to simply ignore the government and do what they like. Where us little people are concerned, I think we need our national Identity, some thing that we are able to identify with, a bit like supporting a football team (which I don't). I believe that all of our politicians are conspiring to remove our national Identity in order to force us all into the soviet style EU. But that's another thread on it's own. Where dress is concerned, what people wear is mostly up to them but I must admit that I do not like people covering their faces because it excludes me, it says don't talk to me, don't look at me. Womens rights are to me non negational, by living here all women automatically have this right and no one has the right to take it away. We all can only have our rights, provided that we undertake the duty of observing the rights of others. Arthur.

But surely there may be some aspects of a culture which would be unacceptable and would have to be lost. Like for example the equality of women. Arthur.

How much of your culture should you lose in favour of a less arrogant world view, one that understands "English culture" in a global world is not the baseline of human perception? I haven't got any view really, just trying to understand. Are you saying there is some form of global culture that over rides a nation type culture or are you saying that there is no English or British culture or am I misunderstanding completely. Arthur.

I'm sorry mate, perhaps I worded it wrong, I'm not saying that Sikhs are not integrated, it was meant to be a sort of more general question, not aimed at any particular group. Let me change the question, Sikhs and Hindus have integrated well and perhaps the question should be how have they managed to do this? The context I ask this, is because some other groups are finding it very difficult. Arthur.

How much of your culture should you lose in favour of English culture or way of life. I ask this to get an Idea of of the thinking of young people today on how far down this route before we have enough in common to produce harmony. Arthur.