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11 hours ago, N30S1NGH said:

Context and case by case circumstances are everything so we cannot apply blanket rules from misal times all across the board as history shows different level of engagement with opposition from Guru sahib (ie- dealing with aurenzeb).

In this particular incident she shouldn't have killed as a) we failed to investigate further b) asses her mental state c) give her chance to speak- why she did this heinous crime. d) turn this tragedy to positive help her rise from mental/anger issues have her do sehaj patt of same dhan dhan dhan sri guru granth sahib that she did beadhi off and ask her where is the enemy? Show the world, set that as precedence how trans-formative dialogue can be, direct interaction with Guru sahib be.

Anyone can kill enemy straight especially helpless yet grossly misguided woman, it does not show much bravery but rather it shows ones fear, impatience, being slave to anger, self righteous mixed with ego (this gives ego cocaine type high boast), hyper tension/paranoia. Now engaging with enemy where one can start dialogue now that is bravery shows patience, openness, underpinning of dya-compassion and courage.

100% truth.

I ignored this on social media and on here, but moorakhs like to be keyboard warriors and big up stuff they have no part in. Patience and truth is more important. Taking a live is a very very bad thing, especially when done in haste or for wrong reasons. We didn't know exactly what happened and they should have allowed system to play its part and have panth do investigation into matter..

4 hours ago, Balkaar said:

Then how do you account for all the gay people in resolutely homophobic cultures and societies, like the Islamic ones? Islamic culture certainly doesn't encourage or incentivise homosexuality. 

Singh if being gay was the product of belonging to a certain culture, then all members [or a considerable number] of this culture would be gay - just like all Chinese people eat with chopsticks, because this is one of their cultural traits. As there is no civilisation which is predominantly or homogenously gay, I don't see how culture be responsible for making people into homosexuals.

 

 

Yeah most of the time it's biological, but what people don't realize is that it can also be social/cultural influenced. I knew of a girl in high school from a Muslim family who dated around and she had a bad experience with one guy and then she turned gay. She didn't like that either so she turned bisexual and then claimed she had no gender and is now mentally unstable and on drugs...

You can't get Anand Karaj because it defeats the purpose, but you can still get blessings from Guru Sahib in form of Hukamnama and get a cultural wedding if that's your thing.

I can't relate, but I feel like a lot of gay people are gay due to culture and not biology..

Good stuff guys

Exactly, this guy sums it up pretty well

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1737561786499912&id=1504484599807633&refsrc=https%3A%2F%2Fm.facebook.com%2FBharowal1%2Fvideos%2F1737561786499912%2F&_rdr

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No offence to Bhai Ranjit Singh Ji, but that is funny, I heard it before too. Machinery Chal Ho we know what he means.

I think he did it on purpose to kind of make fun of missionaries and not see them as a real Jatha. I agree with what Baba Ranjit Singh says in the video and I laughed when he said it lol

He ain't no machinery!

This breed looks like a donkey.

I don't think that was the original Mongolian horse and over time it probably changed. If you look at older paintings as seen in this video they look more like horses rather than pony/donkey looking mixes.

Don't think there is anything significant in the Mongolian horse over what kind of horses were formed in Punjab by importing various foreign Turkish/Iranian/Arab horses and cross breeding with domestic horses, but for super endurance testing like travelling thousands of miles a Mule or an American Mustang is one of the best animals to choose for the job. Not sure whether the modern Mongolian horse has the capabilities that the old Mongolian horses did. I read in prehistory-1500 history class that Mongolian horses were very hardy, fast and had tremendous endurance. The daytime would be 120 degrees and night time would be freezing. The modern equivalent looks like it may be hardy, but not sure about how fast they are.

I have a MIDI keyboard with a harmonium sound and it sounds semi realistic. But maybe that won't work? Not sure. What do you think?

No idea bro, you will have to check with your teacher and they will tell you if it will work

http://www.sikhsangat.com/index.php?/topic/60782-horses-used-by-the-sikhs/?hl=topre

Could it be done with a piano or keyboard?

If it's in proper tune then maybe. I don't think piano will work because the sound is a bit different. The tanpura has a closer matching to a human's throat/voice and thus that's ideal to practice with for advanced people (from my understanding) and the harmonium is also very similar (but nowhere near as close to tampura) in terms of practicing. You would probably be making things a lot harder on yourself by doing that.

Trust me bro, I've been there and I also wanted to start on tanti saaj right away, but if you're in it to learn for long haul start wherever you can and start properly and then progress. Many teachers - even those dudes with nice websites, flashy pictures and 1000s of dollars in fees cut shortcuts in teaching the basics.

The pictures belong to Manu Sharma. The Bidhi chand horse above is no more unfortunately.

I also want to learn the Saranda and Taus but you have to do your due diligence and start from somewhere. Whatever instrument you start with you will have to do Sur Abiyaas regardless and mostly is done with a harmonium I think

You should find a proper kirtan teacher first. Most kirtan teachers make a ton of shortcuts and won't go through Sur Abiyaas (practice hitting vocal notes) and the proper alankaars to get you warmed up so when you play a shabad you will hit the note properly. Harmonium is a great starting instrument if you want to practice your voice and learn kirtan. It takes a month or a couple months to get the basic alankaars, sur and basic shabads. After that it's all about daily practice and how much you put in will dictate how much you progress.

I'm just a beginner right now too, but I didn't know how big of a process and undertaking it is to learn kirtan. The benefits are endless though.

From my understanding after you learn the basics you can start learning Tanti Saaj (or you could start right from there if your Ustad ji teaches it). What I'm doing is learning Harmonium and Tabla first. Once I learn enough I begin to learn Saaj - from what people have said is that many instrument's notes translate over from Harmonium notes and by then your voice will have been solidified on Harmonium making it easier.

Good luck, hardest part is finding the right Ustad

Fobs who run these pages making them popular. Typical - they care more about getting likes and being heard than just ignoring it and not riling up people.

Ignore it.

Interesting that now since Niddar has been exposed as an rss affiliate you no longer are trying to promote his self invented SV. But still stubbornly bad mouth Gatka not realising Gatka is a broad term with many shades. Gatka can be hardcore like what the authentic Nihangs in Buddha Dal in India practice who can without a doubt decapitate any of their western Gatka critics while this broad term is also sadly used by show men types like Bir Khalsa.

As for the unarmed martial arts. Khalsa of old were never Shastar-heen. Shastars were always adorned by the Khalsa. But if by chance a Singh was unarmed that is why Guru Sahib wanted his Sikhs to learn a grappling martial art like Indian kushti. And to learn this amazing grappling art puratan Singhs did the exercises of Pehlvaans which made a single Singh so physically strong that he could take on multiple opponents. Baba Deep Singh jee was also a wrestler which is why he was so physically strong. I can imagine him practicing and swinging around on his heavy wooden moonglis which would explain how a man in his 80s was able to swing his heavy khanda and kill a whole lot of Pathans. Sorry, none of those kung fu moves of Niddar worked back then.

If you look at documentary about Pehalwans they had huge salotars that they used to swing around because it would increase their core strength and in effect also increase joint strength which is very important in grappling and in our case it would be to hold a massive Khanda.

Where Daas is from; the concept of innocent until proven guilty is still alive; and the person is allowed to appeal their decision; especially in cases like this one; where the judge is clearly discriminating him for no reason other than he happened to have a Kirpan. The injuries could have come from anything; maybe the woman doesn't like Sikhs either especially with the whole Brexit issue. Daas strongly recommends, "To Kill a Mockingbird", where any innocent black man was put to death because of racists trying to get their way.

I'm from California bro, but I assumed he was guilty considering what is written and how the Judge already served the sentence.

We should acknowledge that we can sometimes get hotheaded and judging from the names perhaps the neighbors wanted the Singh to use the Kirpan, but that just shows even more that he definitely shouldn't have...

It seems you have a fascination with Nidar, since you keep mentioning him. From the clown gatka demos I have seen with silly stunts on tv performance shows like bir Khalsa or whatever they were called and all the gatka demos I've ever seen on not convinced at all, there just ritualistic co ordinate bhangra dancers.

Hence my view is that learning it is a waste of time . Your better if learning silat, Kali, eskrima which all cover edged bladed weapons in a much more effective manner.

What's the unarmed system in gatka called ? What do they do if they get disarmed ,?? Exactly they have no unarmed system of combat therefore it's an incomplete art cannot be used on the battlefield..

Kali and eskrima are great for blades, but they aren't the end all is all. I have a ginunting and fox knives karambit and know the utter basics and at the GW we had two guys called who are very well versed in knife/eskrima fighting years ago. The way you're painting all gatka practitioners is highly unfair - mainly because it has now become a show art. Why do you discount that the old school Nihang Singhs practiced gatka/shastar vidiya?:

Akali Gian Singh above pictured taught to a student who is still alive today as well Baba Pritam Singh. Just because it's constantly being watered down doesn't mean gatka/shastar vidiya is automatically associated with a bunch of spinny loonies without basic reasoning skills. Nidar claims to have been the sole student of Akali Baba Gian Singh, but after looking into the story it turned out to be a complete lie and there are many authentic shastar vidiya/gatka teachers. Even then a true practitioner of war and fighting arts never becomes bogged down by not accepting stuff like bjj, boxing, proper gun technique and more..

As for your question related to what to do when you don't have access to weapons - you do whatever you can to stay alive because you will be infinitely at a disadvantage if someone has a weapon. That means putting distance between yourself and the assailant and appropriately moving as he attacks and looking for an opening to disarm or control his attacking arm. If both are unarmed then you don't rule out attacks to the nuts or your palm to the person's nose and then you wrestle or if you have practiced BJJ then you do what ever you can...

I know many people are narrow minded who practice Gatka, but that doesn't mean everyone is. Nidar's selling point is to convince the masses that gatka practitioners are a bunch of unreasonable nutters.

The reason I keep mentioning him is because he's the opposite extreme to those who are complacent in spinning a stick in gatka even though I acknowledge you have no association with him.

That's nice. But simply by writing funny ridiculing comments will not aid in the justification of manmat which began post Guru period by Amlis. Your point about Anglo Sikh war period also does not hold ground. Not everything during M Ranjit Singh period was justified according to Gurmat. Sikhs by then had began drinking alcohol heavily as we read in the contemporary accounts besides watching mujra of Kanjris. So it is not surprising that manmat like Bhang consumption was also very popular at that time period. And what does Gatka i.e. martial arts of the Indian Nihangs have anything to do with this discussion?

Many people don't know the true reason why Maharaja Ranjit Singh died, but there are many strong hypotheses that are very sad to think about. There was ghor kalyug in the Sikh empire and the Akalis couldn't do enough to stop many of the things going on in the Raaj.

British and Hindu dogras had a massive part in the systematic destruction of our Raaj.

If he is at fault, this should be a message to all Sikhs to never use Kakaar in a personal dispute and if he is indeed at fault he deserves the sentence 100%. The Kirpan is a gift from Guru Sahib to use to do jhatka of dushts - protect others and yourself from harm as a last resort after all diplomatic means failed and your life or other individual's lives are in danger.

Sikh council in UK should look into this issue and take control of narrative early on.

they may even try and beat you up with their spinning in the air coordinated bhangra stick dance aka gatka

Saying gatka is false is utterly stupid. I know Singhs here in Central California who do martial arts and do gatka with fari soti and could kick any of nidar nang's student's butts in a physical brawl or fight with weapons. They're all out of shape, fat or skinny and 90% of his bs is plagiarized from a south Indian kathak dance and stolen from various MMA fighting. Funny thing is MMA isn't even a war art - it's a fighting art that is in a controlled non-lethal atmosphere.

They're all pretty cool headed, but if you're going to say they're hot headed and just "spin their sticks" with blunt kirpanan I have to say you're further from the truth lol.

There is an extreme in gatka where people spin around too much and it becomes impractical, but the basics of gatka were used by Sikhs of old times to prepare for battle. In previous threads I've exposed how Nidar claimed to be only sole student of the old Nihang Singh (I forgot name, but could find it if anyone wants it), but it turned out he had many MANY students and he never differentiated shastar vidiya from gatka. Instead of discounting gatka, you have to look at why there is a shift for people showing it like some sort of play.

Now, like in previous threads, I know you're going to say you don't support niddar nang nor did you mention him, but given what you said you're implying that his art is somehow the true art. There is no true art - what's true is who walks onto the battlefield and comes out alive. No difference between niddar nang and other kung fu "masters" who promote their art

Not sure, check the local and province laws in terms of size and whatnot.

Here in the states in most places it's 2.5", but if it's openly carried then there is no length limit. I don't really abide by the length limit though.