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Gurdssingh, that stereotype is true, it really isn't a stereotype anymore. People are doing bhangra on their parents jameen, cutting their hair and going into alcoholism.

So then theres no point in moaning about how bollywood sterotypes Sardars right. "because there are so many like that!". Geezer only reason is because majority of Sikhs are from what you would call a jatt background. Lets be realistic most Sikhs are not amritdhari or even keshdhari (ok, you can argue the definition of a Sikh and we all no a Sikh is amritdhari, but we all know we class people as Sikh just because they have Sikh ancestory or identify with the faith. As only a small minority are Amritdhari).

JSinghnz, I say I'm a proud Sikh, but I'm only accepted as one by more orthodox Sikhs when is required. E.g would be when we need numbers then we are Sikhs otherwise we are not. (I do not grow kesh). Like census in UK, or 1984 rememberance rally 'come down to your local gurdwara if you never tied a turban and get someone to help, we want a sea of orange', or how about the riots in summer (don't know about Brum), but not many tyar bar tyar Singhs around.

Also i don't see the reason as to why if i have Jatt (Sandhu) heritage I should need to be ashamed of it, I'm not saying YO! look at me - mere Jatt AHH!, Like some Sikhs from certains backgrounds will be ashamed of their background. (like non-amritdhari). We all know Sikhi has no place for caste system BUT don't be so naive to even think it doesn't exist. Theres so many Gurdwareh based on caste, like just look at the Ramgharia Bunga's in vicnity of Sri Harmandir Sahib. Yes I know the history of why Ramgarhia is associated with a caste. As until Misl period their was no such caste association. It's all to do with Jassa Singh (not Alhuwalia), who lived in his fort named Ram Garh so all artisans espically tarkhans as was Jassa Singh Ramgharia, took it on. But unfortunately the point I'm making is even Sri Harmandir Sahib has in it's vacinty caste asssociation.

Sorry to hear your families reaction they are most probably doing it in jest to tease you a little. Have faith, you have decided to keep your full kesh so big up, I mean that is a big desicion on your part. Off course you'll get a job, marry etc(I presume as they worry about you not working so you must study?).

End of the day nearly everyone has the right too make a choice, no one forces us with a gun to the head. So it may take your family time to adjust etc, but brother be STRONG. Do what you want, your lucky enough to have god pulling you in his direction.

Thank God, you saw some sense at least. When will you grow out of your bashing syndrome and learn to call the spade a spade.

Please elaborate I don't get what you mean by call a spade a spade as your words

'One of the best documentaries ever on caste system in Sikhism and the need to abolish it from our religion.'

Is like pot calling kettle black as it was caste based in showing one community to be dumb and proud when there not all like that. I'm actually married to someone who in caste system is higher status than me.

BTW I believe in equality, caste has no place int the world not just Sikhi. By equality I mean in humankind not just Sikhs, I think all humans are equal just like Guru Gobind Singh Ji said. Recognise the whole human race as one.

Hey on a side note anyone hear of somone in india being killed as he had the same exact name as someone of a higher caste in his village, (not Sikh, but just shows how messed up india is).

It was very good all of it.

Why do a few members here think Sikhs aren't allowed to engage in socailly acceptable and popular cultural practices of the day, they won the contest and were awarded - it showed the Singhs in good light. I'm sure no 100% confident puratan Singhs had a sense of humour and took part in popular cultural practices of the time e.g you see gatka performed in shows in India to this day, Nihangs on horseback with a spear hiittng a target a pace etc.

Okay hesitantly I take on board some comments about it being unprofessional, amateur etc. BUT thats in through western born eyes, I mean that would have been more polished had it been a show like Britains got talent but it was India based, and BTW I think even had that exact performance been on Brtians got talent it would have made it to the finals as it was AWESOME!

I cant really see the point myself..pointless circus act. Ok it does take skill and no doubt a lot of practise some of those stunts can easily go wrong. They are hardly warriors though. Stick them in a ring with any amatuer boxer, kickboxer, martial artist and I bet they wouldnt last long.

Would you ever see old school Puratan Singhs doing "circus" acts like this ? No...because it's pointless.. Khalsa train for warfare and uphold of dharam not for enterntaining crowds..

Ever heard of Holla Moholla?

i don't think the video was that great. Only after about 5.20 mins was good - less than 1 minute of footage then the Gurbani.

It was just like the typical sterotypes people have of Jatts, (just like Sardars in bollywood movies), It was just Jatt bashing, common a dump guy who didn't have a conversation just read a script of we Jatts did this we did that. Come on it weren't a documentry just a rubbish attempt to show jatts in a bad light as it wasn't balanced as every thing was conteracted by the Sardar, it made him look more intelligent.

Only the Singh at the end talked sense.

I'm married to a non-born Sikh, have been happily married and have 2 great kids, couldn't ask for anything more in life. Im not the typical sikhsangat.com member, Im non keshdhari and have only learnt about Sikhi just a couple of years ago. I only just learnt to read gurmukhi and only pray very little compaired to a Sikh (just mool mantar, but I do it with complete sharda without fail). I'm what you'd describe as a Sunday Sikh. I take my kids to Gurdwara every weekend, I will enroll them into the classes their but they are under age, yet. I try to teach them about Sikhi but both are young only 6 and 2. My wife is also as much Sikh as the majority of Sikhs in the UK, (before someone says we're not, I mean people who would be described as Sikh, or asked to be on census forms or make up numbers etc).

I think I most probably have a different outlook on life compaired to most members here but to be honest there are various denominations of Sikhs in the world and on this site only a small cross section represent their views. Yes they are what are proper Sikhs, and my immediate family most probably wouldn't be called a Sikh family, you'd say we are Punjabi. My parents were also born in UK so they were not very religiously inclined, however they are very much so nowadays, they are proper Sikhs. Actually it's because of them I wanted to learn about the faith of our forefathers. They took my family to India on yatra and after that I wanted to leran more. (Even though i'd been India loads of times before, incl. Harmandir Sahib).

BTW I had anand karj, in the OP statement it says

"If Sikhi is important, then you want an Anand Karaj. It is the only religious ceremony which welcomes participation by other faiths, and doesn’t look askance on “others”. It will warmly welcome both families unconditionally, and give each ownership of the ceremony."

but I have been made aware that in 2006 I think - don't hold me to it, I wasn't told before my marriage as that was in 2004. But definietly there is a statement from Akal Takht stating people of different faiths wanting to marry each other by anand karj have to actually prove they are going to be Sikhs by changing their names on legal docs to incl. Singh / Kaur. Maybe someone can post it on here. But I asked the question when I found out was theres many people who have anand karj, both have Sikh ancestory but don't have Singh or Kaur on legal docs i.e. passport, driving licence etc. It makes no sense to me but maybe someone can enlighten me because why would a non Sikh become Sikh by just having Singh or Kaur? Like my surname is Sandhu but on all my papers etc. I have used Singh as it was on my birth certificate so my wife uses Kaur but it wasn't because of the sandesh as I wasn't even aware of it when I married.

If anyone wants to ask me or my wife anything on inter faith marriage pm me, but honestly hand on heart we have never once had an issue over faith. (Culturally we are the same).

no not all, there are actually girls from turban and amrit-dhari families who actually want guys to be trimmed darhi or even no turban! Seriously true!

I don't know much about this but it's intresting that you think girls from amritdhari families prefer money/ trim singhs, why would this be? I mean why would females who have been raised in such environments have a preference for partners who do not observe the faith like male members of their family?

I've noticed that as well. Although I suppose it works the other way as well in reference to guys.

How many Singhs would admit it?

the west are the biggest terroists in the world..they can bomb any nation or people they want into oblivion...the west deserved 7/7 and 9/11...they deserve all the death and suffering they get..they have gone on these crusades to subjugate and control foerin soverign nations...imperialism is alive and kicking..the best imperialist is a dead imperialist...gaddafi was a thorn in the west <banned word filter activated>...he was not willing to become their yes man..so they had him removed in the guise of liberating the nation...the funny thing is..islamists most likely will come to power now..and if they dont then it will be western backed regimes who will get on their knees and suck off their masters...

when a coloured dies its alright?..but when a white christian dies...the whole world is supposed to sob?...imperialism and racism is alive and kicking

What are you on? How can you justify the cowardly actions of terrorists who murder innocent civilians? Not only christians were murdered and they were not all white either. No decent human would condone such acts.

Maybe you would have had a point if they had targetted military institutions but it was everday civilians. Shame on you and others like you who think it's right to kill innocent civilians.

Sat Sri Akal to all who have read or replied to the blog. Thanks you also for the offers of help.

The help that is required is to disseminate the news to as many people as possible - so that they are aware that such a Case is being put forward in a EU Country. The issue of Sikh turban checks arose because of an EU Regulation that requires more stringent security checks at airports. Although there is nothing specific about turbans, or even about hats & caps, many of the European Country airport security services started demanding removal of head gear - this fair enough for hats & caps but not fair for Sikh Turbans for reasons that we all know.

The actions that we have been pursuing with the support of the Helsinki Foundation, a Human Rights NGO, are intended to bring into the EU Regulations a recognition that the Sikh Turban has to be treated as INTEGRAL Clothing that a person wears - in other words, if one is strip searched then a Sikh Turban will have to be removed for a check on a potential threat. While this may occur in 0.1% of passengers, it cannot be applied to 100% of SIkhs. There is no objection by SIkhs to undergo all the normal routine checks and no one denies this. Countries such as the UK do practice this - Turbans are checked by the use of hand held scanners passing over them - a perfectly acceptable approach.

The intention in the Court action in Poland to achieve the same standard as in UK.

If you are interested, please email me and I will send you a sample letter that can be emailed / faxed or posted to the Polish Under Secretary of State in the Ministry of the Interior, Mr Piotr Stachanczyk, who should be asked to better regulate the Airport Security Service - as it is under his Ministry that the Border Guard operates. It is also under his Ministry that the Polish Sikh Gurudwara has been established and provides services to the Sikh Community. His Ministry ihus more than familiar with Sikh, their traditions and the symbol of the Sikh Turban.

Poland is a tolerant and a progressive Country - unfortunately the Border Guard has many renegade officers - it is them that we might bring to justice - and in the process also gain legal recognition that Sikh Turbans can only be removed in situations where there is clear evidence of a potential security threat.

Sat Sri Akal

Wahe Guru ka Khalsa Wahe Guru ki Fateh

Sat Sri Akal PaaJi,

Please put a link or copy and paste the sample letter on the forum here. Here more people will then be able to take action and save you time to pm everyone. I for sure will send an e-mail to Polish authorities. BENTI to all other members please also take time and action to send the e-mail.

Also PaaJi, have you contacted Sikh TV channels in UK? e-mail them it will then get the issue to the wider community. If anyone knows of contacts in the channels please infrom them. I will e-mail some asian radio stations where I have contacts.

ShaminderPuri Paaji, you have my full support, best of luck with the case. What sort of support do you need?

Theres many Sikhs in Europe esp. UK, I'm sure they are all prepared to offer support. Sardars and money alike. BTW I am mona also.

I have asked a few times on this forum a similar question not one direct response. The question regarding possible beadbi which contains the points you raise

the ridiculous thing is that people think it oakey to to wear such things. As Guru Is Bani would we take Guru Jee everywhere we go ?

I.E to the shops on a saterday whilst we pass people smoking? would we take it clubs ? well thats whats happening

It has to do with Gurbani apps on our mobile phones. Whats worse is we keep phones in our jean / trouser pockets front or back or if lady in a handbag possibly. We touch them without washing our hands and if we are viewing and the phone rings? We answer it, putting the phone next to our mouth and speaking into it. Then the call is finished and the gurbani is back on the screen!

Now who has ever carried a gutka sahib or any gurbani in their pockets and treated it the same way? Just because the app is closed does it make it ok? The gurbani is still physically there even if not opened. It's like having a gutka sahib open or having it wrapped in a rumalla sahib. The gurbani is there but is closed and wrapped up out of view. Just like a gurbani app, BUT IT'S STILL THERE or not?

By the way anyone remember the internet shop that was selling pictures of Guru Nanak on under wear ?? so i guess thats ok to?

any how With Guru Sahibs Kirpa the site has taken down the t shirts so can admin close this topic many thanks to people who have taken part in seva.

Yes, I do it's a shame when I asked other sikhsangat members to meet upto stop the beadbi hardly any responses and the ones who did want to meet up did not show up. There was not even that many members outrage in the thread.

Gurbani has a simple meaning and has the deeper meaning. Both meanings are true and stand to be Hukam. As the Gursikhs record the rehat, they idnetify this for us. Also many people discard the rehat of the 5 Kakkar and say only to interalize it. Satguru calls these people manmukh in Sri Anand Sahib da paat and then in 1699, when Maharaj gave Amrit and the 5 Kakkar. The same is happening with the rehat I provided and the Gurbani. Guru Sahib says don't ever have the intention to twist Gurbani into something the people would like, so they take to your understanding. And then Satguru also says don't sell Gurbani as the external rehat, where you physically sell Gurbani to make a profit.

I'm not saying Gianis, kirtanis, Dhadi, Granthis, kathavachaks are selling Gurbani, but when someone does something wrong, does that set the standard for what Guru Sahib said? Only in a twisted world will such wrong acts set the standard.

You have quoted my post but did not address the last issue. 'Also in most cases you have to pay for gurbani books or audio also.'

In UK and India for a fact the majority of Gurbani audio cds / mp3 available are from T-Series, presented by Gulshan Kumar and every cover has an image of Mata on it.

It maybe different in Canada, but I've never really had the chance to speak face to face with Canadian Sikhs. Remember when I pm'ed you when I was coming to Vancover on business you said 'there was no need to meet up', we could have discussed so much and shared vichars, it was quite rude when someone from UK wants to meet someone in Canada and they just say no.

Anyway you touched upon kakkars albiet on a tangent, however they are also sold for a profit.

Maybe Sikh organisations need to get together and ensure sikhi products are sold not for personal gain / profit but at cost or any profit donated to charity or the runnig of the gurdwara sahib it is soldfrom.

Old time Punjabi wrestlers trained in this method too and were untouchable in ther discipline. Training back to basics against immovable objects without mental blocks helped them achieve great feats.

The great Gamah or Gamah phelvan, greatest punjabi no I tell a lie worlds greatest wrestler (real not that fake american stuff that was invented in the 30's). Only little guy about 5'7 / 5'9 max tall but defeated people over 7 foot tall no lie, as a young naunjawan he defeated Raheem baksh Sultanwala the Indian or World champion. He even came to UK and wrestled in the 20's I think he won loads of famous belts can't remember anyways my grandads brother was here and seen him wrestle in UK my pops told me his brother said he was the champion and the English and other european wrestlers did not dare fight after seeing him in action.Even though he offered them more cash to fight him. Undefeated in his career. My grandad and lots of uncles from punjab are phelvan / phelavan fanatics. They told me loads about this guy, theres even books. Maybe not appropriate for this forum as he was a Butt, ancestors native to Kashmir and was muslim. Even though he was 100% Punjabi born in Amritsar.

Fauja Singh - 100 year old from Ilford (east london), has set a world record for being the oldest person to complete a marathon. Oh btw he also broke another 8 records last week. Wow this is amazing. I bet most of us, me included would struggle to achieve anything near to this.

Well done Baba Ji, you are a real inspiration to many, a true idol people should look up to. Just goes to prove you can do anything you set your mind to as he only started running at the tender age of 89. He such a nice humble guy who raises lots for charity and is a devout Sikh.

http://uk.eurosport....3&order=date#co

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/blogs/world-of-sport/article/73024/

http://www.bbc.co.uk...canada-15330421

Possibly this may be in fitness section, however this section also says sports in the description. Also more people will view it here.

EDIT:

Also he has corporate sponsorship from Adidas. Proceeds go to charity. There were some ads a few years ago, I reckon they will have a new campaign maybe?

REHAT

gurU kw isK poQI ilK, pVHky vycy nwhI

guroo kaa sikh pothhee likha parrhakae vaechae naahee

The Sikh of the Guru should never write or read Gurbani with the intention of selling it.

Rehatnama Bhai Chaupaa Singh Jee

GURBANI

iDRgu iqnw kw jIivAw ij iliK iliK vycih nwau ]

dhhrig thinaa kaa jeeviaa j likh likh vaechehi naao ||

Cursed are the lives of those who read and write the Lord's Name to sell it.

Ang 1245

Anyone trying to justify the sale of Gurbani will feel the wrath of Satguru in this life or the next. Satguru Kirpa kar on these lost souls.

Read the whole shabad and Satguru directly points to another way many people try to sell Gurbani. A person gets an evil mind by selling Gurbani.

Mmmh! Is that meant to be taken literally or is there deeper meaning? As nearly all Gaini's, Kirtani's, Dhadi's, Kathavachaks etc. are doing it as a job, they get paid for reading Gurbani.

Also in most cases you have to pay for gurbani books or audio also.

Guru pyareo ji

Waheguru ji ka khalsa Waheguru ji ki fateh

"I'm not the best person to ask maybe other amritdhari Singhs or panj payre could give you good / better advice.

My advice would be for you to re-evaluate. Just take some time out. Keep as much rehat as you can, all the paath you do, do it with sharda. Don't force yourself. Take small steps and build up too what you should do.

BUT do it because you want too. NOT because you feel you need too. For example just get up and recite Mool Mantar, or First 5 pauris of Japji Sahib or Japji Sahib da paat which wont take too long do ardas. The other bani's listen to them on an ipod whilst traveling to work. Slowly build yourself up. DONT FORCE yourself to do paath as a formality do it because of love, do with sharda, slowly you will reach your goal, even if it takes years. It's better to do with sharda than just spitting out the words which could end up in resentment."

I do not doubt the intentions of gurdssingh ji, but as he said himself it is best to take advice from rehitvaan, nitnemi, naam japan-wale Gursikhs.

Also whether we do paath with shardha, pyar, dhyaan or we do it without, all paath is parvaan (accepted) and constitutes to kamai (profit). Bhagti (meditation) is never wasted.

"DONT FORCE yourself to do paath" - as per vichars of Gursikhs, this is 100% wrong. Nitnem paath is mandatory for every baptised Gursikh, never miss nitnem."

Yes we all want to do paath with concentration and love, but this depends on our previous karams (deeds) and kamai ans most pf all kirpa from Guru Sahib. Gursikhs will face hurdles in their path towards Akal Purakh. However, please continue to do paath and force yourself to do paath. All paath will help is in this world and the next no doubt.

Don't worry mirror ji, you are not the only person who feels like their paath is not up to standard. I guarantee all high avastha Gursikhs will advise you to do paath, paath and more paath.

Another great way to build up rass when doing paath is do arths of bani reading teeka's like prof. Sahib Singh ji, reading Gurmat books on Gurbani and Sikh history and learning to do shudh paath with correct bishraams (pauses). If we do paath with correct pauses and pronunciation this will greatly aid in concentration when doing paath.

When we look back at our lives we will never regret the time spent doing paath or simran.

May Guru Sahib bless me to do paath, paath and more paath. Satguru mehar karan.

Sorry OP my advice may have been wrong.

That i

That excellent veer ji

i wish if i could do what you do. I am amritdhari but frankly speaking i only do nitnem because i have to. i think 98% of time i feel the pressure of completing Nitnem . Its more because i have to.

I remember when i was non amritdhari then i was like you and used to do only some Paath but with love. Its gone now.

I don't know what happened but its true. i wish if could get that love back

I don't know what to do. I think i may done many bad karams thats its happenning.

I'm not the best person to ask maybe other amritdhari Singhs or panj payre could give you good / better advice.

My advice would be for you to re-evaluate. Just take some time out. Keep as much rehat as you can, all the paath you do, do it with sharda. Don't force yourself. Take small steps and build up too what you should do.

BUT do it because you want too. NOT because you feel you need too. For example just get up and recite Mool Mantar, or First 5 pauris of Japji Sahib or Japji Sahib da paat which wont take too long do ardas. The other bani's listen to them on an ipod whilst traveling to work. Slowly build yourself up. DONT FORCE yourself to do paath as a formality do it because of love, do with sharda, slowly you will reach your goal, even if it takes years. It's better to do with sharda than just spitting out the words which could end up in resentment.

Trust me small steps are better than none. Also keep in mind no steps are better than keeping up a pretence and festering hate.

i don't know but aren't the charasi lakh (8,400,000) joons the punishment for not reaching sachkand. Human live is a gift in which we are given the ability too prove ourselves and rid ourselves of this cycle and form with the almighty in sackand.

BTW chaurasi lakh is a figure which is not exact, it is always fluctauting due to speices extincting and new speices being formed. A recent scienitific study showed there was over 8.4 million spices in the world, cant remeber exact figure but it was clsoe to 8.4 mill.

I'm not amritdhari but I pray daily, I don't do it because I want something or need something I do it because I want too, I only do a little paath. But surely it's better to jap mool mantar or waheguru simran with sharda with a clean heart rather than being amritdarhi and doing nitnem as a formallity which you have to do. Your heart is not in it but you do because you have taken amrit due to pressure from family or someone close. Please I'm not looking for arguments, most amritdharis are 100% true in their believe, but there are a few who aren't. So the question the OP asked well I think it's better for non amritdharis to pray with sharda and slowly they will come closer to waheguru. It's better to take small steps with a true heart rather than showing a facade to the world as Waheguru knows all.

Nothing wrong with them.

What is really surprising is that the Indian police always catches such arms and devices only in Punjab, but in the rest of the country they come to their senses only after an unfortunate tragedy has struck and scores of innocents have lost their lives.

http://www.samachar....machar_homepage

I think in other parts of India esp. Kashmir, North East and South they have found such devices (Eg. Jihadists, Maoist, Naxalites etc). Also Ambala is not in Punjab.

On the 5th Oct JSinghnz post somthing almost identical?

http://www.sikhsanga...rs/page__st__40

@BhaiSukhSingh - Gurbani related artefacts have been sold for centuries. Just visit most large Gurdwara's on a Sunday, they have a shop within the premises or have a stall selling Gutka sahibs, pictures, prints you get loads of stuff with gurbani sold such as books etc. for a profit. In India it's no different just visit Harmandir Sahib or any other historical Gurdwara. Anadpur Sahib, Just round the corner from Keshgar Sahib theres a market with loads of stalls same with Hazur Sahib.

@ Kaljugi - The company is called 1469. Yes most probably it is linked to the year Baba Ji was born. However, what is the problem with that?

Why do some people like to cause a controvesy out of nothing.

Speak English to them! Have huge screens that have subtitles for the Gurbani when it's recited. This is why we lack and other Faiths progress they translate into many languages so people can understand. Think Dhan Guru Nanak Dev Ji spoke many languages to get his message across. We fools don't.

In purataan times gursikhs wrote and spoke many languages. Example Shaheed Baba Deep Singh Ji wrote maharaj de bir in arabic.

In India you get gutka sahibs in Hindi and Urdu as well as Gurmukhi. So it is imperative to have a way of translating to the sangat. A good idea is the projection screens in Gurughars which have English and Punjabi translations aswell as the Gurbani, lets not forget even though Gurbani is written in Gurmukhi it still needs to be translated into modern Punjabi which most people speak and understand today. As it is still difficult for those versed in Punjabi to a high standard to interpret Gurbani. Off course English in Uk or other western countries is a must.

Slightly off topic but I have been speaking to some amritdhari youths recently. Majority are chardikala Singhs. But there are some , i'm not sure if they are trying to catch me out, by me saying somethng wrong but they say they only took amrit because they had too, there parents expected them too do so. They were not forced but could not really say no. They hate getting up early and doing nitnem, and have commited kurehits. I can elaborate more on pm but I don't want to on the forum as this is my real name, and don't want people asking me who I am talking about and what they have done.

Waheguru ji ka khalsa

Waheguru ji ki fateh

I specifically mentioned 2nd Generation not 3rd !

Let me explain, when an individual moves from one country to other it's Mostly due to Financial reasons.

In general those who have money and assets don't migrate !

Plus majority who do migrate aren't Highly Educated to secure good pay jobs.

Even if they become self employed or start a small business still they cannot save enough money to buy a house if they pay full tax and follow all the rules & regulations.

Claiming benefits is not the only kind of fraud in this world.

Like, if a Sikh doesn't give Dasvand then he/she too is a fraud or chor.

Waheguru ji ka khalsa

Waheguru ji ki fateh

Yes we should give 10%. Baba Nanak stated 3 things by which we should lead our daily lives Naam Japo, Vand shako & kirat karo. Naam Jaapo is very important to connect with god, the other 2 refer to this pyshical life we live. Vand shako is also very important, as we should give charity to those less fortunate. However, Baba Nanak also stressed kirat karo. Earn an honest living. All three are important. But I think Kirat kar and vand shako are related. You can only share something if you have something to share. But to have something to share you have to work for it HONESTLY.

Now claiming benefits, when you already work is stealing. It's not exactly honest is it? So would you give dasvaand out of your benefits which your not entitled too? As it contradicts kirat karo. How can you give dasvaand out of dishonest earnings?