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I have loads in my family. I hope you have something better to say other than 'My own family is exactly the type that is behind this problem' and thus try to somehow 'normalise' it?

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Maybe your family need to talk about this a bit more - and if the older ones are staunchly backwards, maybe the younger generation needs to take a lead and not perpetuate the penduness?

Well the loads in your family definetly buck the trend. Well done the 101 family.

If your honest and seriously think about it in genreal terms in the UK SIkh population well it just don't happen. There is no such thing as a jatt gurdwara but the ramgarhia and bhatt sabhas do actually cater for there own. Also true story, I friend wanted to get married in the gurdwara in Ipswich as it was the nearest place to her parents where there was a Gurdwara. Well after the commitee digged for the surname as 'Kaur' is not a surname 'wink, wink', they did not let her have an Anand Karaj there. She had to book in London East, the ceremony took place in Summer 2008. So don't tell me it don't happen.

I am married to someone who is Punjabi but not of same baradri as me. Also my parents arent backwards at all both were born in the UK

Also UKLondonSikh > maybe your experience is like DalSingh101's where you find caste doesn't even register with most Amritdharis. However in my case I have personally seen it.

My friend you are displaying classic signs of Pure OCD. Look it up. CBT (cognitive behavioural therapy) will help you tremendously with this. Find a therapist. I had this for years too, I am much better now.

You are not the only one. Stay away from medication (antidepressants). They will only mask the problem and take away your emotions in the process. Go for CBT.

Best of Luck

This is the best reply. You need to seek professional help. It's all very well saying recite bani etc. which is very good but sometimes you need to seek a trained professionals help. Like if someone had a heart attack would you recite bani or get a paramedic or doctor to resusitate the person. End of the day it is Wahegurus hukam but sometimes you need to do something yourself and seek extra help to get the desired result. Like you can't pass your uni exams or driving test without actually studying for it, you can't say well just do namm simran and I will pass as you wont.

My personal experience is a lot of people will say they don't believe in caste but to some degree they might. I mean how many amritdhari couples do you know that have married someone outside of their baradari? Sikhs belong to the Khalsa but end of the day we all know even if we don't believe in caste what your background is caste wise. I mean a amritdhari jatt will rarely marry a tarkan a tarkan marry a chammar or chammar marry a bihari bhayia who has took Amrit. Only when amritdhari Sikhs truly believe in no jath path and inter Marry will the wider punjabi community pay heed as you can say it till the cows come home but how many of the posters in this thread are married to or have a family member married to someone from a higher or lower baradari ? I think most of your families are from the same, even though you don't believe in caste.

Does anyone want to answer the question I asked?

Like who's ran a marathon? It's a great acheivement just to be alive at 100+ but to do all the stuff baba ji has done is just amazing. If some people are making fun of a Sikh who has acheived amazing feats, which none of us would ever come close too, well they need to be ashamed of themselves.

But is it right for a Sikh to make fun of another religion? I think NOT. The people behind / in the show could also be muslim, christian or any other religion, WHY always if someone is from a Hindu or Indian background do alot of members on here attack the whole religion? it's wrong and shows your immaturity.

Also why are there so many snide cheap shots at jatts?

My personal experience is a lot of people will say they don't believe in caste but to some degree they might. I mean how many amritdhari couples do you know that have married someone outside of their baradari? Sikhs belong to the Khalsa but end of the day we all know even if we don't believe in caste what your background is caste wise. I mean a amritdhari jatt will rarely marry a tarkan a tarkan marry a chammar or chammar marry a bihari bhayia who has took Amrit. Only when amritdhari Sikhs truly believe in no jath path and inter Marry will the wider punjabi community pay heed as you can say it till the cows come home but how many of the posters in this thread are married to or have a family member married to someone from a higher or lower baradari ? I think most of your families are from the same, even though you don't believe in caste.

i turned round and said, well if that's the case, why are we discirminating against Muslims in the langar then, we should have Halal meat served in the langar to cater for the Muslims as as clearly this is discrimination too....He had nothing to say after that!!!

NO it's not, how is it discriminating? Vegetarian food for muslims is halal. You would only have a valid point if the langar had meat served in it. If the uncle had nothing to say after he's not very bright or your telling porkies!

I personally enjoy listening to hip hop. All people have different tastes in life but seriously repping rock over hip hop W T F!

He praised Sikh organisations for staging a peaceful protest over the issue. The Jathedar has also taken serious note of a matchstick company printing “khanda” on matchboxes, which, he said, was a sacrilege of Sikh symbols.

Blasphamous!! Sikhs are not to use matches. Oh wait a minute what about all the other businesses that use the Khanda, we should name and shame and boycott them aswell.

Is it silly season or what?

Btw ramgarhia is coined from jassa singh s residence ram ghar he was a tarkhan and as he became a big boy all tarkhan used that to describe themselves as they wanted to be associated with something recognised.

Same thing with kalal s jassa Singh aluwalia born in village aul. As he became leader of the sikhs all from his caste adopted the surname alhuwalia to show they were linked to someone great.

Our gurus rejected caste but it does not seem to have filtered through to Grassroots level as the coins minted by jassa Singh aluwalia that were sent to abdali after he conquered Lahore praised our gurus and had his name with reference to his baradari ie brewers

Sometimes I think Maharaja Ranjit Singh made the biggest mistake in his raaj. He brought the misals togehter. As far as the history of the Khalsa we have never been able to unite. We have to go our separate ways. Either caste, jatha or whatever. We need an issue to fight with eachother. It seems majority of the Sikhs want their own powers. We seem to have 90% leaders and 10% who perfer to stay mumb.

He did not bring the misls together he annexed their kingdoms only ones like eg phulkian ie patiala etc got away with it as did the other malwa sardars we because the British supported them the Sutlej was the boundary.

Guys read history of the misls they were small kingdoms whose leader was Sikh. They were not Sikh kingdoms per se they fought amongst themselves for power etc only got together to fight invaders to ensure their possessions remained in tact.

So is the general consensus amongst the sangat that watching films is acceptable. Educational and documentaries or suitable cartoons okay. But as this is a Sikh forum from Sikhi perspective, some of the films mentioned have many scenes which conflict with Sikhi so why watch them when in another scenario you would be like oh that's manmat gursikhs should refrain from such things as the films mentioned most of them promote the 5 vices in one way or another

During the Guru's times, little children and newborn babies were being cut apart and strung into necklaces- their mothers were forced to wear them around their necks..

Think of it this way... Some of those children may have committed rape in their past lives, or slandered/ tortured and killed a saint, committed mass murder as an evil emporer or worse.. They may have revelled in and become too attached to worldly pleasures(worldly sukh or maya) which the Gurus describe as poison- as a disease- and hence forgotten God. Them not remembering is part of their karam- their parents suffering is part of the parents karam.

No matter what happens to us- we Always deserve what we get- there is always a reason for every single thing that happens to us.

The reason they don't get a chance to redeem themselves in a janam is also part of their karam. When a child dies in this way, a huge part of their bad karams(result of past misdeeds) is washed away. The more dukhi we are fed, the more our karams are washed away. Even the Bhagats went through a huge amount of pain both physically and spiritually(when negativity hits a bhagat- it is a most uncomfortable feeling).

When we finally truly detach from worldly sukh- (recognising the fact that the more sukh we live- we get an equal amount of dukh-and we therefore stop craving sukh), we wash the remaining karams of dukh by living in the balance and are finally set free(jivan mukht). Only when we begin to see pleasure and pain as One(as God- pleasure plus pain= the whole=Balance=God ) do we get freed of the vicious cycle of wordly dukh and sukh- of births and deaths- of positive and negative. When we Recognise God in All- in the light and the dark- in the happiness and sadness- then we are psychologically sound in Truth.

Become dead while alive. Finally recognise this priceless life, gifted to us after millions of janams for what it is- a Test. It is a game to discover the Truth- a priceless gift that other lifeforms scream to have. In this janam- we must die whilst alive- to have no desires, no complaints- but to recognise All as perfect- as Hukam and as Truth, as our Beloved- as our Gurus did while being burned alive on hotplates and with boiling water- like Jesus did while being nailed alive to a cross.

Nirboah and Nirvair means a Fearless Love. That is True, unconditional Love without bargaining.

Truly embark on the path of bhagti- for we must not just read gyan- that is like reading a recipe but not making anything. We must apply it throughout our natural lives- we must Live the gyan of Gurbani, and by living it, Become It like the Gurus and true bhagats before us did..

Only then will we truly understand what the Gurus have taught us for we would have experienced it for ourselves.

God bless you

Try telling that to a parent who has lost a new born it makes you feel even worse. Why if god is all loving does he make us suffer. No matter how evil someone is the majority of the time they spare babies. Why does god not give little ones a chance what's the purpose of only being alive for a couple of days I mean how is that washing away sins by having to battle your way through such a short life? That is just evil sorry if I offend but that's what I feel.

"2.why they created so much vikars and obstacles in this world it just make more difficult to reach them do they simply want us to stuck here or we are just their toys(sorry for this)

We are God's most beloved. What He discovered after many ages was the master- a Psychology called Truth(=Nothing). When He discovered it, He applied it, he lived it and lives it to this day- Hence, He Is it.

Now it's our turn- think about it- He Loves us so much that he has given us the oppertunity to discover what He did- He has given us the most priceless gift- so amazingly beautiful that we cannot even comprehend it's beauty..

When he beats us, he beats us back towards this gift, He doesn't feed us dukhi because He hates us, He does it because He Loves us. When we fools decide to run back to maya and are fed dukh, we turn back to Him. He has devised this khel for us- our lives, each individual story of ours, because he loves us. Without Him living Truth, the whole game shuts down.

We are only set free if we truly deserve it, we must prove that we can apply truth throughout our lives, throughout anything.

We never tell a lie, not even a white lie- We Speak Truth, Deliver Truth, Serve Truth, Die Truth. We apply the gyan of gurbani 24/7 as we keep moving along the path..

We always keep to the gurbani laws of Nirboah and Nirvair- recognsing Him as everything and fearlessly accepting Him no matter how controversial He may appear(how much he may beat us in one of his many costumes)."

What I don't understand is if waheguru loves us why is it unfortunate kids being born in the world who don't have a fighting chance. They are born with diseases why if there past karma are so bad they have no chance to redeem. Like the image comes to mind of Africa but this happens in our motherland of Punjab and all over the subcontinent. They live a horrible existance and die even before they can do anything like pray or good deeds. I'm a parent and i would never ever want a child to go through pain so as we are all waheguru ji s why does this happen that a new born ok there past karma I don't know but in this life they suffer so much and die before even being given the chance to redeem themselves. WHY ? Please I need to know this answer from Sikhism perspective .

Are the parents being punished or it can't be the baby as they have not even had a chance to do bad in this life?

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you're correct but you can get your mum or dad to buy it if they have the indian passports - then you get them to commit a will over to you - which will ensure you will inherit it.

I know this because my parents were born in UK btw I'm in my 30's and have kids so we were looking at investing over there to keep links. As only I have adopted an interest in Sikhism than my siblings. Don't get me wrong we used to go to Punjab like nearly every year but only in the last ten years or so did my parents get into sikhi and a few years ago I went on Yatra to hazur sahib with my own family and parents which spurred my own inerrant in to sikhi

caps are signs of muslims... ur SIKH!

How moneh wear rammals is how loads of Muslims used to cover their heads for namaz centuries ago. Now esp In the west you won't see a Muslim wearing a rammal whilst Praying But in India , Pakistan , Bangladesh etc. you will still see Muslims wearing a rammals during namazz.

IF it goes through well done PM Singh and others for pushing it into law. Hopefully many other advantages could also come of this act for Sikhs

If you were born outside of India or you were born there but no longer are an indian citizen you can not buy agricultural land. You are allowed to inherited it though. You can buy commercial land or plots in the city are a good way of making a decent profit in just a couple of years.

Kar sewa of sarovar happens after every hundred year. Taking out deposits from the bottom of amrit sarovar of harmander sahib. Recent sewa (2004?) was done in order to install new filtration water system., my guess for next samovar sewa will be due in and around year 3004 (if earth stays)..

In the last century it was done a few times in quick sucession esp. after Bluestar. Sorry but I think your guess of 3004 is wrong (or you math is wrong as you also said about every 100 years).

Narrating the history of the miniature manuscript, Kulwinder Singh said in 1913 when the World War-I was going on, the Indian Army (then British Indian Army) was called to fight for the common cause. “During that time, soldiers of Sikh Regiment of the Indian Army said they would not go to the battleground without taking Guru Granth Sahib along with them. Therefore, the British Government got 13 miniatures of Guru Granth Sahib prepared from a printing press in Germany for these soldiers. Each of these was 1 inch in size and contained 1,430 pages, which were carried by the soldiers. There used to be a special lens for reading the holy book. One of these is safely kept at Gurdwara Maithan Sahib in Agra,” he said.

That was nice of the Germans. Even though they were fighting the british in WW1.

You also have double standards. All other caste based threads you request mods to close. But this one ummh giving adivce also on an issue of dating which is not very Sikh like act.

Just worry about your own breed.

Please expand on this statement. As in humans there are no breeds. Are you intentionally insulting a member and classing them as an animal?

Also reading in between the lines I can guess which baradri your hamdardi lies with!

MODS Please close the thread. As another forum member recently stated no caste based threads should be allowed on this forum, This is a Sikh based site. So heed the advise of that particular member and close threads with a caste based theme.

OMG! Did that member participate in this thread and not ask for it to be closed. MMMH! Maybe i'm wrong!!!!

Ever wondered maybe the supposedly "lets teach these sikhs a lesson" attitude of indian govt maybe because of the very same reason that we managed to get british to work for us by working for them ??!!

We fought on the british side in world wars and otherwise and they hired us because they sought physically fit , which most sikhs naturally happened to be !

but on the other hand , indians in general went against brits and (Subhash chandra bose) even supported japan during world war , becoz japan was englands enemy in world wars ..

maybe they had that bitterness from that moment itself .... we are trying our best to get these goray out of our land and these sikhs are fighting for them for personal benefits ..

I think you need to re-educate yourself, Don't know where you got your facts but Sikhs were instrumental in gaining independence.