Sunshine

Gurfathe Ji,

Its kinda short notice, but just to let the sangat know that there is an Akhand Paath Sahib Bhog today at West Brom High St Gurdwara at 6.00pm this evening (09/10/07) in remembrance of Mata Pritam Kaur (Sant Jis Singhni).

Please bless the Gurdwara with your presence and get the lahaa of the sangat.

Gurfathe Ji.

it was him and a few others then went back home, however the others were told by the gernerals to go back. . .and speeking to these individuals who lived with the shaheeds is trully amazing.

Gurftahe Ji,

your right some Singhs were told to go back to thier countries (will let you know who one of them is when i see you next... UNLESS you already know!!!)!!

I have personally met Babu Ji when i was younger, dont remember much, but there was definately a strong aura around him!

Waheguroo ji ka khalsa, waheguroo ji ki fateh

emm can you give me a picture of Shaheed Hardev Singh Babu, I know his son and sister very well. If its the same one you on about. I could ask him for you, how his jeevan was and how he attained shaheedi, if you post on time then im seeing him today, but if not I see him every Friday anyway.

Waheguroo ji ka khalsa, waheguroo ji ki fateh

Gurftahe Ji,

Yeah, its the same one Azaad is on about.

See ya later!!

Gurftahe Ji.

ahh man again i can't come as we got santhiya tonight never mind!!!

you can come after class, we MAY do kirtan afterwards too, so the prog will finish after 8!

last months programme was totally amazing soo much sangat and pyaar. . . i ddnt actually attend. LOL

Oh yeah of course... your the MAIN man, you hear about EVERYTHING first dont you!!!

All the roles are sorted now... apologies to ALL those who responded and wanted to do some

Please dont be dishearted... and come 2mro... 11am to 8pm!!!

Hope to see you all there!...

Fateh ji, Please Let me know of any sewa which needs to be done...willing to help with anything!! :umm:

Gurfathe Ji,

There was a clean up session at BDS now on...

But if thats too late, theres always 2mro, seva is never ending, come down and do what you want :umm:

last months programme was totally amazing soo much sangat and pyaar. . . i ddnt actually attend. LOL

Oh yeah of course... your the MAIN man, you hear about EVERYTHING first dont you!!!

All the roles are sorted now... apologies to ALL those who responded and wanted to do some

Please dont be dishearted... and come 2mro... 11am to 8pm!!!

Hope to see you all there!...

whooooo

you offering to do a role??

i knew we could rely on you!!

will phone you later and let you know what times we have available still!!! :umm:

Gurfathe Ji...

After the success of the last Choupai Sahib Jaap, there will be another one held 2MRO at Baba Deep Singh Gurdwara.

PLEASE attend and forward to others!

If you want to do a role, for 1 or 2 hours, or whatever you want, plz PM me or text me if you have my no!!!

Thanx!!

Gurfathe Ji.

**BUMP**

Just to let the sangat know the Akhand Paath has started...

Plz come down and join us there!!!

Rehanswai on Saturday... Yay... (Another sleepless night))!!! :umm:

Gurfathe Ji...

It can be understable why people do not take lungar from those who are not amritdari.

E.g... A couple of weeks ago when getting lungar (from the Gurdwara) poured into our trays from the "sewadar" we later notcied she was chewing gum....!!! That is NO WAY to be doing any sort of seva, esp when serving those with lungar.

People just dont realise what the term "sauchum" means, after approching the girl about her actions, she did not move from her stand, she stood there continuing to serve, after a couple of mins, appraoched her again and asked her if she had understood what she was just told, she said she did and that she had swallowed her gum!!!!

SO i dont blame people if they are cautious about taking lungar from others who are not amritdari.

Gurftahe Ji.

Gurftahe Ji.

Just to say ydays prog was a success... watch this space for future Choupai Sahib jaap progs!!!

Thanx to all those who came!

Gurftahe Ji!

WOAHHH!!!!!!!!

THANKS ALOT EVERY1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! IM NOW 20 YEARS OLD MAN! ITS GONE 2 FAST MAN!!

SUM1 SLOW IT DOWN!!

IVE SAVED CAKE 2 ALL OF YA!!

VAHEGUROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

THANKS SANGAT JIO!

UR ALL THE BEST!!!!!!

Gurfathe Ji..

Hey Bro... bring some cake to BDS tonight!!!!... If not we WILL make u feel bad & small!!!

yuummmmm..... CAKEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!

(Dont worry, we will drop u off)!!!!!

hopefully i will come, but not sure at the moment, the last programme at shaheed baba deep singh ji gurdwara was wiked. . . . . . . . . . . hopefully this one will be good also. . . .

p.s. nice name sunshine

Gurfathe Ji...

Thanx... urs aint so bad, but i think P*L* suits u better!!

**BUMPING THIS POST TOO**

PROGRAMME TODAY!!!!!!

Gurfathe Ji...

There will be continuous Choupai Sahib paath 2mro (03.05.07) at Baba Deep Singh Gurdwara in Handsworth for keeping the panth in chardikalaness.

This will be done on the vaja!

From 6pm - 8.30pm.

Please bless us all with your presence.

Gurfathe Ji

LOL People think I'm AKJ from my dastar, even though I only do raag kirtan.. :umm:

People are funny these days.

AT LAST!!!... thats exactly what this topic was meant to be about..

when taking about caste, i was not merely talking about jatt, tarkhan, or whatever else there is.

I was talking about jathas/groups being formed because of the style of dastar people wear...

Dumala = AKJ

Gol (Sant ji style) = DDT

then the Kookia have thier own style. etc...

From this, are we not creating another "caste" being the groups each individual classes themselves as - and steering away from the caste system which already exsists?

People say the dont believe in the caste system, its wrong... But they are ignorant to the fact that maybe they are creating other "castes" when getting together with a particular jatha / group?? And excluding themselves from the other groups because they think they are better...

obvioulsy u dont understand what the music is saying, if you are intriged by it, you shud ask him what it means, if he says its prayers then so be it... Ik Oankaar ... Sat Nam... There is one and ONLY one God and Truth is his name, carry on listening to it, it aint doing you any damage... if not you just pull out your kirtan and blast that!!! :umm:

wear a dumalla and you'll never know what caste you are

you wont know what caste your from, but you can guess from what 'group' you may class yourself as...

Gurfathe Ji...

Are the youth of today going forward or backwards?

We say our last generation are those who believe in the caste system, we know its wrong as after taking amrit there is no caste and everyone is as equal as each other... BUT, are we creating our own 'caste system' and not noticing?!?

We can tell what caste people are by the way they tie thier dastar, are we now doing the same thing, but indiretly creating a caste i.e jatha / group?

From the way pople tie thier dastar we can tell what 'jatha / group - caste' they belong to and from this they think they can exclude themselves from each other, becuase they know more or better than the other.

We think we know what is right or wrong and so tell others what to do because its the 'right' way... but the ONLY way we can know what is right or wrong is by taking a hukamnama and read into what Maharaj is telling us and act on that, not do what others 'think' is right.

To beat this kuljug we need to stick together, help each other in need and help each other grow in sikhi, not create barriers between each other - this will only take us a step back, we dont know what guun (goodness) people have, if we stay away from these people because they are not from the same 'jatha / group' we dont know how much we are missing out by not getting sangat of these people. There are good and bad pople everywhere, we should help those who are on the wrong path and take the goodness from the people who have gyaan.

Your thoughts and comments welcome...

Gurftahe Ji.

Are sikhs allowed to use hair dye. I know singhs/singhnea who do. They say they get grey hairs in old age and thats why they use dye.

so i was just wondering is this allowed in sikhism? what does it say in sri guru granth sahib ji?

Thanks :D

This Shabad is by Guru Nanak Dev Ji in Raag Aasaa on Pannaa 432

kakai kaes pu(n)ddar jab hooeae vin saaboonai oujaliaa ||

Kakka: When the hair grows grey, then it shines without shampoo.

Being a former athiest and a man of reason I understand where natsilahk is coming from.

To me god doesnt exist as people think it does. To me its a force in the nature - like its the opposite force of entropy which causes systems to stay orederly. Which means it causes both happiness and misery. Gurbani says "poor naya kare kartar" - this force is responsible for justice and fairness.

Also to me, you can be a perfect individual (compassionate, humaitarian, honest, just ) and still be an agnostic/athiest.

One more thing to people who are asking us to blindly believe in God by quoting SGGS - you are acting no better than islamo-fascicts asking people to shut up and "have faith" . In fact GGS itself encourgaes people to use Rationale and reasoning:

Akalee par ke bujhiye

Akalee keeje dan

I will post more on my understanding of god later.

LOL... you might as well go back to being an athiest!!... obviously you dont have any belief in God Himself. We aint asking you to "blindly believe in God by quoting out of Maharaj Ji"... The quotes from Maharaj Ji are the TRUTH!!!

And as for you comparing those who believe in Maharaj Ji to islamo-fascicts is just a nasty way of putting this into perspective.... You can forget about posting your views on God, your obviously confused!!

sabh gobi(n)dh hai sabh gobi(n)dh hai gobi(n)dh bin nehee koee ||

God is everything, God is everything. Without God, there is nothing at all.

This is one thing that must be eliminated when debating these topics.

The use of "religious/sacred" texts. Because the Guru Granth Sahib states "There is only ONE God" does NOT prove God's existance.

There are many books that other people hold religiously and very sacred that state the exact opposite.

Which one is true? You must prove it. Random quotes from gurbani, the bible, and quran are useless in proving God's existance because the person quoting obviously already holds the sacred book as the ultimate truth, but that does not mean every individual agrees.

lol... what a joke!!!

Elimate Gurus Jis words from debates?... Thats like saying dont speak the sweet words of Maharaj Ji.

Just like manmitchera said:

"god exists in the faith of those who believe in him.""... you OBVIOUSLY dont have that faith... GOD help you!

sabh kishh aapae aap hai houmai vich kehan n jaae ||

God Himself is everything; those who are in their ego cannot even speak of this.

Its totally shocking to hear criminal acts such as these occuring on our streets.

It dont matter if the little singh was amritdari or not, he kept his kesh and no one has the right to take away Guru Jis saroop!

We think we live in a multi national city... but we dont... no one understands each other. People are just against each other or out to get one another.

The only thing we can do is look after each other and help those in need without relying on others to help us, as well as that, just do paath as your out and about and be alert of your surroundings!

Going back to the initial question...

"is there a God"?

The first line in Guru Granth Sahib answers that

"ik oa(n)kaar".... There is one and only ONE God... One Universal Creator God

Anymore questions??

Funnily enuf, he was named after that actor!!... and NO i aint cussing him!

Cant believe some people are actually against the thought of Shaheed Singhs being around...

If there is such things as ghosts (which there are as Maharaj Ji states this) then why cant there be Shaheeds around to protect us?!?

"Guru Mere Sang Sudhae Hai Nalai"