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I'm assuming not although he will be very pious and sent by the one Lord to spread Satyug so we should probably listen to his initial teachings.

I would imagine his teachings will be be similar to those of our Gurus and would root out any rituals that mainstream sikhs have incorporated into sikhi. If god sent him down I'm sure he'll want us to listen to him at least initially until his ego expands. When his ego expands I'm sure Gurmukhs will realise.

I think we just need to make sure we serve god, not ego. Even with our gurus, we served the jyot within them as with the sants in Gurbani. Before their jyots ere lit (the sants) they were regular people(obv with an incredibly blessed destiny) so it is the light of god that we serve, the Truth and nothing else.

After their Jyots were lit they became Truth so were in essence god themselves, not just teachers.

Fair points. I just don't want to be fooled into following someone who isn't worthy of avatar status, and thus in some small way weakening my link with Guru Granth Sahib Ji and Sikhi in general. Its hard to explain but you guys know what I mean - hopefully such an avatar would serve to cement our love for Sikhi, and encourage us to undertake those practices we have neglected or forgotten.

I guess - like Bundha says - a prospective prophet cannot be denied. One thing is for sure - the atheists are going to lose their minds in shock! :D

Lol well Guru Gobind Singh Ji says Kalki avtar will eventually become corrupt so although he will usher in Satyug on earth, we need to keep following Gurbani and the Guru, remember Kalki avtar wil be an incarnation of Vishnu and not god himself or a Satguru.

Bhaji, when an Avtar comes of course there will be people who will oppose him, look at when Guru Ji's came to this earth many did not recognise them. Guru Nanak Dev Ji's father did not recognise the divine being within his midst. BUT like a shining diamond an Avatars parkash cannot be denied and there will be masses who will folck to their side.

Modern day has nothing to do with it. In gurbani there is mention of "Babaan" which are like flying vehicels that are so fast that in a blink of an eye they can take you thousands of miles. Science has no clue of this, yet in the life-after these are used as the norm.

When Kalki Avatar comes pure people will flock to him and he will sort out the half-baked ,the pakhandi, the ege-filled, whether they use modern technology, who knows?

They say it is going to get really really bad, mothers will have no qualms sleeping with their sons, and fathers with their daughters - this is already happening when you read these horrific news reports.

I agree and Kalyug is most certainly almost at it's end, all the signs are there. Satnam Sri Waheguru.

listen to this penji

This Shabad is by Bhagat Kabeer Ji in Raag Aasaa on Pannaa 484

Awsw ]

aasaa ||

Aasaa:

krvqu Blw n krvt qyrI ]

karavath bhalaa n karavatt thaeree ||

I would rather be cut apart by a saw, than have You turn Your back on me.

lwgu gly sunu ibnqI myrI ]1]

laag galae sun binathee maeree ||1||

Hug me close, and listen to my prayer. ||1||

hau vwrI muKu Pyir ipAwry ]

ho vaaree mukh faer piaarae ||

I am a sacrifice to You - please, turn Your face to me, O Beloved Lord.

krvtu dy mo kau kwhy kau mwry ]1] rhwau ]

karavatt dhae mo ko kaahae ko maarae ||1|| rehaao ||

Why have You turned Your back to me? Why have You killed me? ||1||Pause||

jau qnu cIrih AMgu n morau ]

jo than cheerehi a(n)g n moro ||

Even if You cut my body apart, I shall not pull my limbs away from You.

ipMfu prY qau pRIiq n qorau ]2]

pi(n)dd parai tho preeth n thoro ||2||

Even if my body falls, I shall not break my bonds of love with You. ||2||

hm qum bIcu BieE nhI koeI ]

ham thum beech bhaeiou nehee koee ||

Between You and I, there is no other.

qumih su kMq nwir hm soeI ]3]

thumehi s ka(n)th naar ham soee ||3||

You are the Husband Lord, and I am the soul-bride. ||3||

khqu kbIru sunhu ry loeI ]

kehath kabeer sunahu rae loee ||

Says Kabeer, listen, O people:

Ab qumrI prqIiq n hoeI ]4]2]35]

ab thumaree paratheeth n hoee ||4||2||35||

now, I place no reliance in you. ||4||2||35||

Please you're going to make me cry! Satnam Sri :waheguru:

Kalki Avtar is coming and will bring on the age of Satyug.

Believe in the words of Siri Guru Gobind Singh Ji. He has cleared up Hindu history for us and this prophecy is imminent.

If you don't believe Satyug is coming, lady Maya has fooled you badly.

Don't worry what others say, read Sri Dasam Granth.

"She will never taken any change from me because she doesn't want to touch me.

Lol that's hilarious! I would find it hilarious if someone acted that way around me, i'd poke them on purpose!:lol:

Whoever said a play including a rape in a gurdwarra is right doesn't have a grasp on the concept of right and wrong. Has it happened? Yes.

Should a play be performed with it happening in a Gudwarra, the place in which Guru Granth Sahib Ji resides? No.

Has kaljug turned most of the world crazy? Yes.

So it is not suprising the play was performed and people turned up to watch it.

Sorry to sound harsh

Yes please forgive me you are right and I am a hyprocrite because I have held back many times due to stress about people around me etc.

But I have come to a point where I can do bhagti in the midst of people with my eyes open (at work etc).

Perhaps this could be a beginning point for people. I know it's difficult to ignore peoples vibes etc, but we really are drops in an ocean, we're all gods children, god in different forms, we must all accept this fact and move forward or we'll never get over slander/ never stop judging others as bad etc when its really god teaching us a lesson/ wiping away our karma (for which we ourselves are responsible aand noone else). God gives us pain for a reason, perhaps we are being set a test with these people around us to distract us. We must ignore and continue, we all have the same aim whether it';s realised or not- union with god. You're just ready to pursue it and not slander others, but perhaps facing slander is the only way to reach your aim as it has been for so many bhagats. If you can't pass through the forest you'll never get where you want to be, people are never going to stop slandering, so what will you/we choose?

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The world is diverse and people appear to go to the Gurdwara for different reasons. Some to pray, some because family has made them, some for social element, some for spiritual. Some because they are illegal immigrants who have no place to sleep, some because they are troubled etc. etc.

No one is perfect and we are all victim to the vikaars inside of us. I still think I am less than an infant spiritually, so it doesn't surprise me that I sometimes have these silly battles to fight. Plus people will be people and at this moment in time I generally like to try and keep my faith a very personal, private matter as much as I can I guess.

But I have witnessed people mock other people doing paat/bhagti in the Gurdwara which is quite shocking when you think about it - this is stuff like nodding towards and smirking at what people are doing whilst they are trying to concentrate. People should know better - but they don't....that;s humans for you I guess?

ਐਸੇ ਝੂਠਿ ਮੁਠੇ ਸੰਸਾਰਾ ॥ ਨਿੰਦਕੁ ਨਿੰਦੈ ਮੁਝੈ ਪਿਆਰਾ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥ ਜਿਸੁ ਨਿੰਦਹਿ ਸੋਈ ਬਿਧਿ ਜਾਣੈ ॥ ਗੁਰ ਕੈ ਸਬਦੇ ਦਰਿ ਨੀਸਾਣੈ ॥: Aise jhooth muthe sansaaraa. Nindak nindai mujhai piaaraa. Jis nindahi soee bidhi jaanai. Gur kai Sabade dar neesaanai: Such is the falsehood (worthless activities, corrupt thinking, ਝੂਠੇ ਵਿਚਾਰ, etc.) that's plundering the worldly people (of their spiritual life - ਆਤਮਕ ਜੀਵਨ ਅਜੇਹੇ ਲੁਟਾ ਰਹੇ ਹਨ ਕਿ ਇਹਨਾਂ ਨੂੰ ਇਹ ਸਮਝ ਹੀ ਨਹੀਂ ਪੈਂਦੀ). The slanderer slanders me, but even so, I love him (because, by doing so, he takes my sins upon himself). ||1||Pause|| He alone knows the Way, who has been slandered. Through the Shabad, he is approved at the God's Doors (he keeps the Lord's Name in his heart - ਪ੍ਰਭੂ ਦੇ ਨਾਮ ਨੂੰ ਉਹ ਆਪਣੇ ਹਿਰਦੇ ਵਿਚ ਵਸਾਂਦਾ ਹੈ) (sggs 1330).

If you can't focus on god in a gurdwarra, I don't know where you can. How can people say they care what other people think of them in the one place they actually SHOULD NOT care?

Who cares if you go into smadhi in a gurdwarra or even start moving about uncontrollably as a result of meditation on god. In a gurdwarra this should be applauded not laughed at. People who laugh do so in ego and fail to see the divinity in these things.

Ignore everyone else and do your simran, god is everywhere so you can and should praise him anywhere.

I too had the same problem. Here are some tips that helped.

Go Gurdwara when it is relatively empty, say late evenings, find a spot, put on headphones with simran and just try for 2 - 3 minute bursts of concentration with little or no self-consciousness. Do this until you can do it for longer periods (like 20 minutes in an empty Gurdwara). Where you do this is important, try and find a location of the darbar that is as isolated as possible. A quiet corner perhaps?

Where you sit can make a difference. Sit where you are not easily in the visual field of the sangat - like right at the back.

The trick is practice your focus in less distracting environments and then practice what you have learned in the more busy environment later, if that makes sense.

But I hear what you are saying and I find that I prefer going to the Gurdwara when it is emptyish than full, just so that people don't think I am doing a 'dekavah' with the focusing.

If they knew of the pagan significance of the christmas tree then I don't blame them. Either way it can only be a good thing, the Christmas tree tradition isn't christian, it's pagan. Perhaps Waheguru ordered this. How does anyone know anything. Only He knows.

WJKK WJKF

What are the chances - none , as time and time over we are our own worst enemy!!!!

Here's a prime example:

The new Sikh school in Norwood for under 16's , one of the staff sixty year old woman put up a christmas tree recently in the foyer -- no where near the SGGS or any room belonging to it in the building....she was threatned by the Respect for SGSS campaign guys to remove the tree or face protests. A sixty year old woman was given threats from as far as wolverhampton to remove the tree!!!!! This is how great we are, just imagine the BBC - media getting hold of that , what are we protraying, are we talibans ???!!! Will SIkhe ever grow with this sort of attitude??

No bashing please I agree there must be full respect of SGGS but the above is shocking!!

Yeh I recommed the third eye or heart. Kill all the people around you off and just make it you and god. You came alone and you'll die alone, these people mean nothing to your naam simran so ignore the what ifs and what are they thinking mentality. These are the tests put forward by guruji to see how much faith you have in him.

By choosing to care what others may or may not think you're choosing them over the guru. Just think they are all a part of god so relax and ignore, act like your in a vast ocean alone.

If a husband can call his wife by her name, his wife should be able to call him by his name....

Lol I think it's quite funny when husbands and wives call each other 'oi' and 'hey' and even '<banned word filter activated>' lol. It's not like we should have an ego (sense of 'I') to hurt anyway according to sikhi. It prob keeps them humble.

More or less everyone knows what a typical sikh looks like, we have the 'stereotypical Turban' image to many.

So everyone has seen a sikh portrayal of a sikh as hindus etc don;t really wear turbans anymore, it's more a sikh practice.

Not everyone has seen a jain or buddhist. (Although budhists are more common).

If they delved deeper into the meaning of the image/ turban they'd understand more, it's their choice.

Waheguroo, yh thats true but I mean even when you do wake up for Amritvela, have ishnaan, do ur Nitnem and Simran.... why is it we have bad dreams/nightmares after?

Yeh I get this all the time. I dunno I guess it's just kaljug, I used to think its b/c I shouldn;t have fallen back asleep again after amrit vela but I'm pretty certain it isn;t that now b/c ive had good dreams aswell.

I gues it's just kaljug trying to attack us like all the other bad dreams it throws our way. We should fight these dreams and not wallow in the negativity they can stir within us as thats feeding kalyug/ bad spirits/ making them stronger. I guess its babajis way of seeing how hard we fight to stay afloat (like a lotus!).- and/ or repaying our karma/ either way it can only be a lesson and in our best interest.

P.s Gurbani tells us to say his name with every single breath. It could be because we read gurbani but don't follow it's words and there is no point in that.

i notice ppl hate this thread lol

Lol I don't hate it, the lightheartedness of the thread is pretty uplifting to a soul suffering in this dark age. Keep up with the thread and keep the smiles going!

The best chance we have of helping our sisters and brothers is becoming saints/ Brahmgyanis.

Everyone says we should help everyone else but to do this we need to change their thinking/ be able to help them control their minds(and the monstrous strength of the demons within) by blessing them with naam and protecting them with Gods jyot. How can we preach and change others if we ourselves are not perfect. Noone will heed our words like people did our Guru's words, heed our words like people heeded the words of our holy sants and brahmyanis and still do today. Maya will always fight back/ always replant those doubts and delusions, the girls will stay in their demented states just as we all have, living so far from the truth and happy to let kaljug/ evil darkness slip into our thoughts and bodies.

A brahmgyani can lift one out of this ocean with a glance so we should all aspire towards being that, becoming the true khalsa in which the light of god is ever shining and pervading within us, the True khalsa that does not think a single bad thought who thinks of god every single second and never fails to do this, the true khalsa that Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji has described.

ConfusedAndFloating Phaenji,

In gurbani it says see other woman as your sister, daughter or mother.. No parents or brother in this world regardless of their religion/race/creed would like to see their sister/daughter/mother dancing semi naked in front of the whole world. So.. to us they are our sisters and we do have right to think good about them within the boundaries.. We are not forcing our views on them nor our religious institutions ever forced them to follow something that they dont want to.. It is only in SIKHI religion that we all human are given the birth right to choose what we want to be.. If someone chose wrong path then we should try to help them out if they need help.. Now, one may say, How can we be sure that whether they need our help or not.. Well, we can only find out by approaching them

As mentioned above in one post.. It is our parent generation fault who didn't gave these young girls a chance to look at sikhi dharam and live their life as by sikhi lifestyle.. some replies are stupid in this topic but majority of us wants to eliminate this alien culture from our Punjabi Sikh Culture..

Chardikala

Hi there

I've tried to pass my degree for coming on to 6 yrs now and so far have only successfully completed 1 year. The first fail I cared, the second fail I cared but I never cared enough to give up on my life.

My family have gotten degrees and we were expected to perfom very highly.

My family have been threatening to kick me out for years, I've truly experienced rock bottom for 4 years running now when it comesto my education. I am a shame to my family and even my friends who see me as a loser.

But my spirits (and self esteem which is usually well above average) have overall remained at an ok level if not soaring. The reaosns for this are that the

-material world is an illusion

-noone should care too much about studies etc when people out there are dying of hunger/ famine/ war/ murder etc, we should be thanking god every single day for what we have

Whilst people who lack material comfort generally seek emotional support/ comfort and ultimately fail in that area, ie. friends and family cannot be with you all the time/ know how you;re feeling all the time and give you comfort, I have someone who does and whyo will wipe my tears and make me happy just at the sight of their face which I can see whenever I want and that's God.

So I don't give a monkeys <banned word filter activated> what people think of me or how little I've achieved because I love god and he loves me back fully and unconditionally. It is VERY REAL- more real to me than this wolrd (this world seems grey in comparison).

Also no matter how much I get/ have gotten in this life, nothing can compare to His love, I know that already and have experienced the same in my life.

I see the video footage on the news and all i see is hell- demons and chaos, I 'm shuddering just thinking about it.

I apologise Ji and ask for forgiveness.

It won't happen again.

My life would be so much easier if I never have to get married! (I'm in my mid twentys and am terrified at the prospect of marriage and the wedding day.)

But I think any age under around 35 would be good because of children etc.

If one got married later than that having had tried to marry someone then so be it, it's gods hukam and there is nothing wrong with gods hukam.

Satnam Sri Waheguru

I humbly bow forever at this brahmyanis lotus feet

Satnam Ji.

From Sikhi Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia....a_Deep_Singh_Ji

Baba Deep Singh Ji was blessed (particularly that day) with the might of the Khalsa. To keep his 'sees' (head) held whilst he fought, can only be achieved by an exceptionally blessed individual.

Satnam Sri Waheguru Ji

Phenji I'm going rthrough the same thing as you now. It's like my heart has hardened and I have to try extra hard to get the love for god to well up.

What I've realised that the pain of seperation is still in me, buried deep within and comes up every so often when I try to realise the truth. These moments are precious and beautiful to me as they happen less often than they used to but to a greater extent. I see this as a test as to whether I forget god or try hard to remember him.

I would suggest listening to raag kirtan, doing naam jaap and quieting your mind and listening. Don;t just stop at that, go all the way, do good deeds and develop good godly traits and virtues and go all the way by japping his name. Truth is his name, Jaap on it to find him, the truth, you will feel pain and suffer until you do.

P.s there were plenty of female sants/brahmgyanis during our gurus times and now aswell, people are either not aware of them or choose not to follow/ acknowledge them. Pray to guruji from the heart to bring you across one and you will find one when the time is right, according to His hukam.

at sikhi camp a paji told us girls that we also should serve at langar time. In our gurdwara usually the boys serve pande, langer water ....so he said we girls can give langer at the woman side...well what happened, everyone was staring soooo weird at us...it felt very uncomfartable giving langer...so next sunday no girl stood up....paji tried to approach us again but we didnt wanted the feeling the sangat gave us a week earlier...I know paji is disappointed because he wanted that we girls could also do sewa not only make langer.. how should we girls stand up without such reactions...??

It's just another way people have attempted to corrupt sikhi. What you can do is not care a single bit what the other people think, serve langar and continue naam simran, babaji will protect you and help you ignore the people who don't like it.

Revenge is anger (krodh), god does not like the demon Krodh- it is evil, if it wasn't it wouldn't be one of the 5 thieves.

I know it sounds typical saying leave it to god but really that's what you should do. Obviously it's your life, your karma so its your choice but you'd be adding greatly to your karma, not getting rid of it like you prob have been up till this day.

Whatever happens to us is gods hukam, we gain karma and get rid of it. Getting punched was you getting rid of your karma from evil deeds you;'ve done in this life or your previous lives (more likely). Do you really want another beating or slap in the face in the future which is what you'll be getting if you carry out this poisonous act of violence.

When you think about it, it was:

-Your fault you got punched (karma from this or previous lives)

- You erasing this karma, by taking the beating.

-Gods hukam (everything is, it's put there to help you find god even if you don't think it is, (sometimes it seems like it most defintaely is not) it pushes you towards him in some way)

-A test, god wants to see if you're ready/ worthy of meeting him, your tests will be hard, sometimes torture, but the reward is a billion plus times better).

-A show that god loves you, by just giving you pleasure, you will not find him, hardly anyone remembers him in times of happiness (happiness that is actually false.) Wwe turn to him in times of pain/ helplesness and back then and right now you are helpless- helpless against them and now helpless against Krodh/revenge/ego- these demons/illnesses will not go away on their own, you need to force them out with his Grace.

I hope you make the right decision Ji.

Vaheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa

Vaheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!

I have come to ask the advice and understanding of my older veers on a situation of revenge / justice. I'm an amritdhari Sikh and recently there have been doubts in my mind which I feel really frustrated about and need some conclusion to.

When I was around 9+1/2 years old, I use to live around in a terraced house estate etc and unlike nowadays I would obviously play outside with my friends etc. I don't know what to call this, either bullying or straight out childish acts but I was doing my own thing infront of my house, and this group of older (atleast 3-5 years older) hindu lads came and grabbed me. I was outnumbered quite badly as it was like 7 of them and me alone. They took me into an ally and 1 of them held me back to a wall while this larger lad continously hit me on my chest and stomach. I asked what I had done and back then I use to swear a lot I guess and said what the f*** they were doing this for etc and they said that I stared at one of there friends in a weird way or something? I dunno, I was just really angry at the time and I didn't know who they were or where they had come from.

So err, I went inside to my house - I didn't cry or anything nor was I seriously hurt but the whole ordeal had kind of really annoyed me and did have a slight impact, wether it's too hindus or what I don't know nor do I care. I'm not gonna say I hate ALL HINDUS NOW or something.

Anyways, I'm over 20 now slightly and i've grown up and all, don't take crap from anyone no more. 1 of the boys from there, the main "leader" ? As you might call it - the guy who I think kind of initiated that whole thing has turned up at a place I work at. He doesn't know it's me and I have kind of outgrown him ? I dunno - but i've seen him twice now in the last few days and I feel like just grabbing him and putting him through a whole tonne of pain.

What I want to ask you is, would my revenge be justified in accordance to Sikhi? Please try think this from not only my view but from a general view.. 7 guys grab 9 year old beat him without reason. 9 year old grows up, has found 1. Should I/He take revenge?

All sorts of weird things are going into my mind, he's obviously seen me at the place I work at, I can't just go an batter him while i'm there. If I was guna do anything I'd cover my face etc (although I wouldn't be able to take my dastaar off really). He comes to the place around 10pm. I'd wait for him and turn off the cameras at the work place and just grab him, beat him and walk off in another direction so he doesn't know that i'm from the shop. This seems to be the "safest" way.

All of the above i've said, perhaps i've said it in anger or confusion. So please hear me out and tell me how I should feel about this opportunity.

Please veerjee's and bhenjee's don't put something out there like "What would Guru Gobind Singh Jee Do?"

Hope to hear something soon. Sorry for typing it out long, but the situation is such that I don't want to miss any details.

Vaheguroo Je Ka Khalsa

Vaheguroo Je Kee Fateh