RanjeetSingh

no idea who this uncle ji is but to be honest, age does not equal wisdom.  unless from a direct eu rep or law union, its just hearsay and over exaggerated crap as usual

from historical references and Gurbani,  I am confident that our Guru would not force this mayor to matha tek to Guru Granth Sahib Ji....respect for all but follow your own?

My honest advise would be to first;

1 - does she have interest in Sikhi or becoming Amrithdari one day?

2 - will this relationship ruin any current relationship you with with family members and vice versa for her?

3 - after doing your Nitnem and Ardaas, before you do anything, do Ardaas but focus on asking for guidance from Guru Ji directly and if you can, take a Hukumnama ( do you have Maharaaj at home )?

Its good to ask the Sangat for help but there is a small risk on the internet that you will only get what people's interpretation of Sikhi is and there is no guarantee you will get a response from someone who lives, breathes and walks the path which is what you really need.

If she has interest in Sikhi and you, ask her if she is willing to be Blessed with Amrit, not just for you but does her heart yearn to learn about Sikhi? If so, good luck.

PS - I forgot to say, these feelings and urges are one of the five evils so try your best to control it, see yourself in a third view and look at yourself and think twice, thrice if you need to. Try your best to curb your feelings and your actions in the same way you try to control anger, greed etc.

Tyson seems to be such an honest guy and I respect him for that. From coming via BKB within the traveller community to where he is now should be respected in my view and he is a great entertainer, he is funny. I hope Tyson wins again

The reason why blue was chosen was because at that time, blue was normally associated with low caste people which makes sense especially where Gurbani is concerned. Guru Ji made us to serve humanity at any level.

Whilst I do believe blue is colour associated with Khalsa, I also stand by my previous comments that colour is not restricted. I say this because if it was, it would contradict what Gurbani teaches us and therefore then make our Gurus change what they said I know full well they would never contradict anything they say because they are pure. I also say this because it is not for us to judge what others wear, Khalsa or not.

Even if a particular maryada states it clearly that no other colour is to be worn apart from blue (which is actually doesnt), I would still stand by what I say that colours are not restricted because they are not and if blue is the familiar choice due to historical facts etc, then I or anyone on this earth are no one to judge others, its not our job. If our speech cannot help another human by speaking words of a sweet nature then its best to keep it schtum.

I am nothing compared to the puratan pyare but having said that, I do believe there are a lot of texts made specifically to contradict one another to divide the panth, hence I stick to Gurbani and Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaaj because this is one topic where no author can tamper with.

You say Ithihaas, another thing which I listen to but dont follow blindly. The only teachings I follow blindly are from the Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaaj.

Khalsa is distinguishable from uniform and colour, I agree but there is a time and place for everything. That uniform was required then when times were really hard. we have it easy right now and there are very few Sikhs left who can portray the puratan Sikh idealogy, nimrata and way of teachings when talking to another human being, that said, I am not saying that wearing bana is no longer required, I think its lovely to see Singhs and Kaurs wearing bana, they have guts to wear them because I am not clean/pure enough to wear one openly. I have much respect for them but at the same time, colours are not restricted.

A Maryada may state the Khalsa will wear blue but it also does not specifically state that we cannot wear any other colour?

Sorry to go on but I hope my explanation above explains my stand on this subject.

Khalsa today, can wear what they want if they wish, the relationship and answer they have to give is to the Guru so its futile for us to converse on whether what is right or wrong, we are not the judges.

Hi and thank you.

I edited my response because when I read 'punjabis are dub' I immediately started to respond with hate so in order to stick to the topic, I removed a lot of what I originally wrote.

Coming to your link - thank you but this again only refers to followers of our Guru and I cannot accept what someone else has said because of they way they understand history when it goes against or contradicts what Gurbani states. I am an Amrithdari before I am punjabi (putting that out there in case people start judging before even knowing) Comment in brackets are following the first response I got from GurdialSingh.

Coming to the book that Gurdial refers to, prophesy is also against Gurmat. Ill post a link to which I read as much closer to Gurbani and the Gurus teachings then anything else I have read on here ( no offence intended but its all hearsay without any evaluation or reference to anything historically written or sealed by our Guru) -

http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/threads/karni-nama-and-raj-nama-the-sikh-book-of-prophecy.30035/

Having certain colours being acceptable for Khalsa and to refrain from others is like having certain days and times approved for prayer or good fortune, its a Brahmin thought and not Gurmat.

read this good and proper before you start giving your manmat views;

In Assa-di-Vaar, the following words "Neel Bastar Ley Kaprey Pahrey, Turk Pathani Amal Kiya." - meaning that people started wearing blue clothes and started following the ways of the Turks. It clearly denotes that the blue garments were worn by the Muslims.

Please please please, red is nothing more than just a colour. The Gurbani about the lady wearing red and Guru Ji advising her to get rid of the red, put yourselves in that time, wearing red for females was a 'dress up' colour.

If Guru Granth Sahib Ji clearly tells us God is within all colours and then within none, how can we Sikhs follow a Rehat written by a man and not our Guru. I know the history behind Bhai Nand Lal Ji but we need to start thinking and questioning. If whatever the rehatnama contradicts what the Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaj says, dispose of it because I know that our Gurus could not say one thing in one place and then go against it or contradict it in another passage.

There is no colour restriction in Sikhi and nor do certain colours mean anything. If people believe wearing red makes one and think of a sin then maybe its for that individual to practice this upon themselves because the colour red wont mean the same for everyone.

Sant Ji being the pure nimrata Sikh that he was probably did not want to hurt her feelings so he let her continue.

I don't know what people are going on about now.

I was just trying to say that speaking loudly to your partner in the heat of the moment isn't anything unusual. This probably happens in the majority of relationships at some point or another.

And if you believe this:

Should any women who raises her voice to her man get a slap too?

Or is it okay for females to do this but not men.

What are you on???

My first post was related to the original post itself, the domestic violent situation.

You have just clarified that your response to my first post was about 'heat of the moment' arguments, which I think is completely different to the domestic violence which had occurred in the original post. Raising the voice in a domestic violent situation is bullying, not raising your voice when a couple are arguing.

difference between Guru Sahiban and ourselves is so immense they are app parmeshvar , with kirpa drisht they can change a paapi akhiratghan to a sant brahmgiani.... whereas ourselves we can be swayed by bad sangat . When an abhilakee has amrit they break with all world ties and previous bad karams and give their all to Guru ji, however the nonamritdhari although can be very good, holy minded person has not given themselves fully to guru ji and have not broken with the world properly so is still nigurey as the diksha has not been given . We are supposed to keep away from nigurey and sakats as they can lead us astray with their dhils this is Guru ji's faisla on it

Apologies - I am not making out that we are level with Guru Ji, what I meant was that I cannot see and have found anything where our Guru Ji has taught us to do but then not do it themselves, historically or within Gurbani.

Please can you list me the verses in Guru Sahibs documented history that suggests this.

Laslty, when the first 5 pyare were created, their wives did not follow suit to and take Amrit, if there is, is there anywhere where this is documented as I may have missed this.

I may ask for a lot of facts from documented places but that's only because I do not want to blindly follow what someone has wrote.

You (and others) might prefer a timid bloke, but not all women do. Don't try and throw this on Guru ji.

A little bit of passion or fire doesn't constitute behaving in a 'harassing way'.

And from what I see these days, jumped up, leary, big mouth Sikh 'princesses' are as common a problem as overbearing blokes. You even said yourself that your own son was put off Sikh girls because of how many of them go on.

Let people be matched to their own preference. I know some blokes actually like (and seem to seek out) overbearing women (as much as this bamboozles me), and conversely some women prefer 'take charge' guys. Let people be matched to their suitability. One man's poison is another man's .....etc. etc.

Raising one's voice is equal to violent oppression, is it? So, for arguments sake, if someone is taking liberties on a daily basis, a person can't voice their displeasure by elevating their voice to communicate their unhappiness about the situation?

See it like this, if the man raises his hand, he should be ready to receive it too

Raising voice (not in volume but like raising questions) is not a bad thing, physical/verbal violent aggression is.

The OP talked about domestic violence, not about raising voice (which I think you mean providing a response/question to the way a wife talks to husband?)

You (and others) might prefer a timid bloke, but not all women do. Don't try and throw this on Guru ji.

A little bit of passion or fire doesn't constitute behaving in a 'harassing way'.

And from what I see these days, jumped up, leary, big mouth Sikh 'princesses' are as common a problem as overbearing blokes. You even said yourself that your own son was put off Sikh girls because of how many of them go on.

Let people be matched to their own preference. I know some blokes actually like (and seem to seek out) overbearing women (as much as this bamboozles me), and conversely some women prefer 'take charge' guys. Let people be matched to their suitability. One man's poison is another man's .....etc. etc.

Not all of us perpetually talk like mice mate.

Any man who gets talked to like a chooha by his women (for no reason) and doesn't give her what for, is a he-b1tch of a 'man'.

A lot of women actually appreciate an assertive man that will make vocal objections when required.

Men don't have to talk perpetually like mice. One only has to read what Sikhi says about how to treat women to understand this but this takes time, to read and understand.

The man must be able to know when to use the assertiveness but that must also not be on women (see Sikh Sakhis for better advise). Only if its a life or death situation. The Gurus got disrespected in a lot of ways before getting physical, that should be Sikhs goals, towards the good actions of our Gurus and what our Bani tells us.

Making vocal objections is not a bad thing, because the man cannot understand the wifes frustration which is vented vocally which in turn supposedly 'makes' the man get physical to show his 'assertiveness' via 'slapping her about' is a "he-b1tch of a 'man'".

any man who raises his voice and or hand to a woman needs slaps himself, disgusting !

you can wear any colour ! If Gurbani tells as that Vaheguru is in all colours and none, then how can a man made rule be made that Khalsa can only wear certain colours?

No one can say what is right and what is not right regarding question number 1.

It is the individuals journey and if it so happens that Guru Sahib has called on one party to take Amrit (Due to ones own actions, they are drawn either closer or further away from Vaheguru) who are we to say that it should not happen because the spouse is not ready? Who are we to say that the spouse may also take Amrit later on in life due to the Amrit being granted of the other partner?

I cant see how Guru Sahib can take a meal from a non related person (Sakhi) of a poor person against a rich mans food and then tell his disciples that both men and women are to be Amrithdari otherwise they cannot marry, or have each others jhoot and if they do, they have to do pesh etc - it does not make sense.

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many think that Sikhs were previously Hindus, as 9 of the Gurus had Hindu names and that the Khalsa was created as an arm of Hinduism to protect the then Hindustan. Thing is, if we go by that logic, then all the Muslims, Christians should go back to Judaism but that does not make sense.

Some people cannot understand nor can they respect that Sikhi is an individual separate disciple of life, I dont like the word religion nor the word rules, it has a negative vibe about it (IMO). I prefer to use set of disciples which collate to a righteous path.

What most dont understand is that Sikhi was created so shake the norm, and because the people of that time were so stuck in their ways, in my opinion, it could not have been done within one generation, it had to be developed slowly which took generations, very much different to any of the dharams in this world, not to say that they are wrong because our Gurus tell us that religion alone wont clear us, its our action so we must not (on the same token) disrespect or put down any other dharam.

Having said that, the world is an energy and for energy to exist there must be positive and negative, positive energy, negative energy, positive and negative people - unfortunately thats the way it is. What we must not do is lose our cool in explaining why we are different.

ok ji, I know this is an old post but I feel the urge to reply.

Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji which is supposed to be our eternal Guru repeatedly tells us God is in all colours and none so how can it be that a rehat is created to limit colours? There is nothing historically said by our Gurus or in our Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaj which limits colours. This is a Brahmin thought. What days, colours and what to wear when, are all empty rituals which Sikh talks against. Sikhi teaches not to follow empty rituals.

I know the Khalsa historically wore blue because they were going to war but please lets not forget, an army needs a uniform, a uniform of a single colour. I am not saying it is not prevalent to wear blue now, I am just saying that colours, in my opinion, are not restricted.

wow, excellent ! Waheguru !!!!!

I have got an Android app called Gurbani Nirvaan. In it there is the Sri Dasam Granth Sahib Ji, Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaj, Bhai Gurdas Ji's Vaaran and many more all in English, Gurmukhi with transliteration. I nearly completed Bhai Gurdas Ji's Vaaran and the translations seem pin point to me but please do correct me if I am wrong. Not read the Sri Dasam Granth Sahib Ji as my next mission is to complete the Sehaj Paath. I read many a times on various Sikh websites that Bhai Gurdas Ji's Vaaran are key to understanding the Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaj properly hence I have started on that first. Check it out, you may enjoy it and please do let me know what you think of the translations.

lets have it right from the moment go. Anand Karaj can only be done with Guru de Sikhs or do you all disagree with Surjit Singh Ji's comments on the video I uploaded? If you accept having monas take part within the Anand Karaj then the argument for inter faith marriages will shortly come up as well.

So if u guys do want to protest or stop this marriage ( I would advice against it)

then focus on the wrongdoers: the gurudwara prabandhaks.

Leave the girl and boy alone,

Tell the gurudwara leaders, that if u let this marriage happen, then .....

well fill in the blanks(protests, death threats, boycotts) ....I mean that's the only thing u can do to stop 'em right?

very well said. I agree. The boy and girl have no knowledge of Sikhi but the leaders of the Gurudwara must do so they need to be told. Maybe that way, people that are weekend Sikhs may start to realise that they are long way away from Sikhi.

so an alochol consuming , drug addict, partying , lustful individual, completely ignorant to gurmat with a castist surname who is born to punjabi sikh parents grows a stubble on his wedding day and asks someone to tie a turban on his head is a sikh ?

Sikhi is a philosophy not a religion

Read the shabad "gur satgur ka jo sikh akhaye " to understand the true definition of sikhi

here is a video I would like you to watch. Sikhi teaches to accept any other human beings teachings and way of life but if one wants to be a Sikh, Gurmukhs should not hesitate in clarifying what a Sikh is;

Veer mahan have you studied the revelaed word yet ?

Veer kully - spirituality is a realm of loose definitions - the sikhi that gurus esposued was about universal love - once you ask this couple to learn keertan they will feel the love and might eventually join khalsa..... but alienating people will just leave them with bitter taste for all organized religion and drive them either to a faith that is more accepting or more likely athiesm.

If Sikhs were ok to marry to other faiths, then why did Maharajah Ranjit Singh get 50 plus lashes for marrying a Muslim. Why did Guru Gobind Singh Ji state in his 52 Hukams that a daughter of a Sikh will not get married to a clean shaven guy.

Why is it in the Guru Granth Sahib Ji it states that to beat the 5 main sins one must be a Sikh and to be a Sikh is to listen and follows the Gurus teachings, not cutting hair, consuming maas and all types of nasha, bad mouthing people etc is against Sikhis teachings.

In Guru Granth Sahib Ji it teaches there are only 2 types of people in life, Gurmukh and manmukh, Gurmukh follow the Gurus teachings and first and foremost do not cut their hair then they may call themselves Sikhs. Manmukhs are self willed. When you go to the Gurudwara, when you matha tek you are giving your head to the Guru, when you give your head to the Guru you agree to follow what Sikh teachings are. If your head belongs to the Guru what is it doing near scissors, if you wear the Kara, thats a handcuff to the Guru, so it should not be going towards nasha, maas, narcotics and doing bad against mankind if that hand belongs to the Guru.

The words in Guru Granth Sahib Ji are Gurbani, the Words of the True Guru, Waheguru. Taking Amrit to become Khalsa and one follows that path, that human being is a true perfect reflection of Waheguru ! The deeds are good and always selfless service to manking regardless of religion colour etc. Every Sikh is meant to be Khalsa or trying to be. There is no inbetween. Its because of the punjabi culture, Sikhs are becoming soft and bending Sikhi of its true values.

Guru Gobind Singh Jis horse stopped near a tobacco field and did not drink that water from that owner of the tobacco field. The owner followed and begged Guru Gobind Singh Ji to eat at his hous, Guru Gobind Singh Ji said take Amrit, become Khalsa and not only will you be mine, I will belong to you as well.

Coming back to the original subject, interfaith marriages should not be conducted in the house of the Guru in front of Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaj.