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Just a few quick points and personal observations. The Conservatives did exactly the same as Labour when they were in power. All the political parties take us for granted. When it is election time the local Labour MP will pop round to the Gurdwara. After he is elected you will not see him again and he will not even bother to answer your letters/emails. He will not help you with anything. I am all for seperate monitoring but will will the picture not be distorted as "sehajdharis" will also tick the Sikh box. I know for a fact that a Keshdari Gursikh face more discrimination when it comes to interviews etc than "sehajdharis". We need to start fighting back and getting a foothold in politics. I urge you all to join political parties. It is no good having the Sikh Federation representing us (they do not have the clout that say the Jewish lobby in the US has), we need to join mainstream political parties as that way at least we can get a say when it comes to candidate selection etc. We have areas where there are large concentrations of Sikhs and if we get enough Sikhs to join a party in these areas we can in effect have a block vote (just like the Muslims do in areas of Birmingham).

The marathas were great warriors. Mahadji Scindhia was a great leader. Other noted great Maratha include Malhar Rao Holkar who founded the Indore kingdom. However they also joined up with the mughals. They took Shah Alam II from British protection and placed him on the Delhi throne so they worked under the Moghul empire. When the ruler of Indore, Holkar fled to Punjab and sought the help of Maharaja Rhunjeet Singh to form an alliance against the British it is said that Maharaja Rhunjeet Singh was ready to take on the British but rejected the alliance because he found out that Holkar was secretly negotiating with the British at the same time. Also the Marathas joined hands with the British against Tippu Sultan. They were defeated by Ahmad Shah Abdali despite having total numerical supremacy over the afghans. The maratha peshwa sent a large army under the control of Sadashiv Bhau who it turns out had the military planning skills of a baby. He took a large retinue of maratha women/family despite being advised against this by many of the other leading martha military leaders. Sadashiv Bhau also alienated the Jat chief of Bharatpur before the battle at panipat thus losing a key member of the anti abdali alliance. So the history of the marthas is not as great as this person makes out.

Wheres your proof ? In fact the opposite is true it was RSS/BJP people raising a hue and cry about the killings in 1984.

I for one hope that the SGPC has printed and distributed leaflets to these people so they know how to use a toilet. I went to Pakistan a while back and the SGPC jatha does nothing but cause a big mess piling rubbish everywhere and making a dirty mess in the toilets. The Delhi jatha also made a huge mess in the serai they were given at Nankana Sahib.

Vaisakhi is not just a Sikh celebration ! It is also a cultural event/celebration.

I agree with Mahavir. I have never seen why he is regarded as a "Sikh" shaheed. He was a communist for much of his life and even cut his kesh. Respect to him as a Punjabi but nothing more.

Dont know paaji. Keep getting obscene PM off her as well including ones where she uses swears words connected to mothers etc. I have referred them to admin but they have failed to do anything yet.

I have not labeled the whole of the Guru Ghar I have labeled various committees. Including whoever is behind the web site and boasting about the Shaheedi despite knowing PP officers took part. Big difference between labeling a Guru Ghar and its committee !

WHO ASKED YOU TO JOIN AND WHY ARE YOU SEEING IT ...WHEN YOU DONT WANT TO TUT TUT 89926[/snapback] Firstly you do not need to join in order to view a web site. Secondly the link was posted so it was an invitation to view the site. Thirdly whats it got to do with you ? Whats your problem ? You got low self esteem or some other serious attention seeking disorder which propels you to post irrelevant replies ? Go do some homework. If you got nothing to contribute to a thread then there is no need to put down petty irrelevant remarks 89940[/snapback] ISN'T THAT ATTENTION SEEKING ENOUGH IS ITS NOT SOLELY YOUR SITE NOW.....SO I'LL WRITE WHAT I WANT AND WHERE I WANT IF YOU GOT A PROBLEM WITH THAT THEN SLAP YOUR SELF HARD or do WHAT YOU WANT ....BUT DONT DARE MAKE ANY KIND OF CONVO WITH ME <_< 89944[/snapback] You not had your tablets this morning ? Might explain your condescending posts on this thread. The fact that you write in capitals shows you have a need to be the centre of attention. Go play with your pigeons or your pet gerbil. This is a constructive forum if you think you are funny and want to post one liners do so in the news/jokes area.

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WHO ASKED YOU TO JOIN AND WHY ARE YOU SEEING IT ...WHEN YOU DONT WANT TO TUT TUT 89926[/snapback] Firstly you do not need to join in order to view a web site. Secondly the link was posted so it was an invitation to view the site. Thirdly whats it got to do with you ? Whats your problem ? You got low self esteem or some other serious attention seeking disorder which propels you to post irrelevant replies ? Go do some homework. If you got nothing to contribute to a thread then there is no need to put down petty irrelevent remarks

The web site is very poorly designed and not even worth viewing. The web site even boasts about having organised Shaheedi Tournaments. As Singh Shriomani (and me in other threads) have stated they hold these tournaments and allow active Punjab Police officers to play. What hypocrits these people are.

Its all become a sham ceremony and photogrpahy moment. What utter nonesense, some idiots even remove it and leave the used kalgi as an offering for Guru Ji. I mean how stupid can you get you dont offer used things to Guru Ji. Most wedding I have seen the sisters will gather around to remove the kalgi and have a few photos, in India I went to a wedding and the brother in law removed it, I asked a few people they said it was tradition for the boys brother in law (sisters husband) to remove the Kalgi in India. I did ask the family to remove the kalgi before they went into the Guru Ghar but they said it is ceremony to remove in front of Guru (news to me I did not know we had such ceremonies as part of the Anand Karaj).

Its not a langar that they cannot serve meat. According to the SGPC Rehat Maryada Sikhs can eat jhatka. I personally do not eat meat but I do not force my view on others and condemn them for eating flesh. I do have an issue with the alcohol and that is the issue you should be trying to address.

Not a very good read. As with most these type of books it links Sant Ji to the Congress party which is utter rubbish as Sant Ji is on record denying these links. I would rather believe him than the authors. Also hints at Shaheed Jathedar Parmar being linked to GOI etc.

So you standing ? I think you should as you have highlighted serious issues. Only one who can see flaws can correct them. One thing I do not understand is why you have to be 110% Khalistani. I believe in having a united independent Punjab so I expect people who share my views are barred.

No...where/ how does the article claim that? It gives a centenary AFTER the Maharaajah's death, this memorial has been put up more recently by the Trust. It is still standing after a few yrs, despite the attempted damage to it. 89458[/snapback] In Thetford, for over one hundred years, stands a statue of Maharaja Duleep Singh, the last Monarch of Panjab. It was recently “desecrated” by vandals who have been described by the town mayor as “despicable” and “evil”.

Its not been up for a hundred years as claimed in the article.

Agreed that Balram Jakhar also made a very stupid irresponsible statement which like Bagri's statement could have incited people to kill others. Also Bagri was not taken to court for making the statement. I think the real victims in this terrorist outrage have been those who died and their families who will simply never know who was behind this evil act.

why are you so hell bent on believing that they are guilty? I dunno how it runs in canada, but down here in the states you're innocent until proven guilty, and when ur proven innocent, you are believed to be innocent. Dunno what innocent means up there, but down here it means free of doing a crime. 89337[/snapback] Might be somthing to do with one of the aquitted being on that documentary last year making disgusting speaches about killing 50,000 Hindus. Statements like that show he is not a great advert for Sikhi just like the IRA, INLA were not great adverts for Catholics. 89385[/snapback] Before making silly statements find out what it was like to live through 1984. There is a big difference between someone expressing their anger in a stupid way and planting a bomb on a plane killing 329 people. Thank God the trial was before an experienced judge and not a bunch of idiots like mahavir in a jury who think there is no need to prove guilt because 'everyone knows they are guilty' If you live in Canada why don't you repeat your views on the TV or maybe even give an interview to Kim Bolan the resulting law suit should be an open and shut case and you might end up as another bankrupt like most of the prosecution witnesses 89388[/snapback] There are reasonble ways of expressing anger and irresponsible ways. His statement was irresponsible. I do not live in Canada. But what is stupid is stupid and if someone is making statements like "we will kill 50,000 Hindus" then he lacks any knowledge about his faith and is a disgrace. I would openly come on Canadian television and say that the guys statement about killing 50,000 was stupid. Doubt there is much he could do legally if I said that. If he is allowed to make such dumb statements then I am allowed to make a statement saying what he said about "killing 50,000 hindus" was stupid. If you bother to read my post you will see I was actually trying to debate why Mahavir may think they are guilty. I did not say they were guilty as only they and Waheguru know that.

why are you so hell bent on believing that they are guilty? I dunno how it runs in canada, but down here in the states you're innocent until proven guilty, and when ur proven innocent, you are believed to be innocent. Dunno what innocent means up there, but down here it means free of doing a crime. 89337[/snapback] Might be somthing to do with one of the aquitted being on that documentary last year making disgusting speaches about killing 50,000 Hindus. Statements like that show he is not a great advert for Sikhi just like the IRA, INLA were not great adverts for Catholics.

Do not know why admin have removed my query about IS Reyat (the person serving time for making the bomb). If GOI was involved then how come IS Reyat pleaded guilty to making the bomb ?

I take it Mr Gidar not seen the Maha Prashad on offer at Hazur Sahib. They having Jhatka meat at this do ? I can understand the issue with alcohol but meat is seperate issue.

Who are the CGPC ? Who gave them the mandate to make religious decisions ? They sound like a management committee who think they are the Akal Takht. They have no authority or mandate to enforce such rules. They are a joke.

Badal betrayed Sikh Panth: Khalsa Panchayat Our Correspondent Ludhiana, March 14 The Khalsa Panchayat today maintained that the document released by the RSS, charging former Punjab Chief Minister Parkash Singh Badal with opposing Sikh detainees under TADA, had confirmed the belief of the body that Mr Badal had betrayed the Sikh panth on several issues. Addressing a meeting of the panchayat here, its member, Mr Charanjit Singh Khalsa, claimed that the panchayat had released a similar document in 2000, maintaining that during his tenure as Chief Minister, Mr Badal had not only ignored but opposed several crucial issues. The issues included the release of Sikhs from jails, return of invaluable treasure pillaged during attack on Sri Akal Takht, scrapping the black list of Sikhs in foreign countries and rehabilitation of dharmi faujis. The RSS document had unveiled the real truth. He said even though the Sikh panchayat still considered the RSS as its arch enemy, which had always stood in the way of acceptance of most of the major demands of the Sikh community, but after it had clearly indicted the former Chief Minister with being anti-Sikh, Mr Badal should lose no time in quitting the post of SAD president. The meeting noted with concern that both Mr Badal and his close family members had sought to make a political issue of the case of amassing disproportionate wealth against them and had openly approached senior functionaries of the ruling party and the courts. The Khalsa Panchayat lambasted blind followers of Mr Badal and gave a call to them to come out openly against the Badal clan and remove him from the party post.