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Sathigur Kaa Sach Sabadh Kamaavahu
Meditate on the true Shabad, given by a Satguru

Thhir Ghar Baithae, Prabh Apanaa Paavahu
Remain steady and stable within the home of your own self, and find God

Raag Asa, Guru Arjan Dev Maharaj.

Above are the words of Sachay Patshah, Sree Guru Arjun Dev Maharaj, which can be the answer to your question.

He is telling us that, do the Simran of Nam only. You do not need to go anywhere, nor need anything else.

No rituals, no rites, no pilgrimages, no flowers, fruits, incense, lamp....nothing of that sort.

It is our mind, which we have to get treated, which is the root cause of our sorrows, pain and our presence in the endless cycle of births and deaths.

Wahiguru has everything, there is nothing that we weak humans can give Him, everything is polluted by us. And He knows that, but even then, He accepts our "kachee bhakti". So during our bhakti of Nam Simran, we still our minds, and that is offering Him, our mind.

And He, as a washerman, washes the dirt accumulated on it, and thus gets it purified , with the (soap)Amrit of His Nam.

Then once the mind is purified and pacified, it does not bother the soul anymore, and releases the soul from it´s clutches.

It is like the rat is given mercury in the traps, set to catch it, and as it´s belly is heavy and can not move by ingesting it, so it stops doing mischiefs and lays down, then the house owner catches it and throws it away the from its house.

In the same way, once the mind tastes the "ras" of Nam, it gets defeated by the soul. Nam is the only medicine to nullify the mind forever, anything else is temporary.

Once this mind is conquered, then the soul crosses the causal region and enters Parbraham region, it is only then, that it is pure in essence and nature, as it has been removed from the phiysicall, astral and causal coverings on it.

Continuing with Nam Bhakti, the soul proceeds further and reaches Sach Khand. There it gets the darshan of Akal Purukh Satnam, and merges in it. That is why the bani says: Jin Har jaapiya, se Har hoeeya. Any soul, Sant, Gurmukh, Satguru, upon reaching there become one with Him, without any distinction.

Many of our brothers or sisters have that impression, even the rest of mortals, that even by reaching His abode, each and everyone continues with his/her own personality. Which is totally wrong. Suppose today anyone of us reaches Sach Khand, we shall only see Akal Purukh alone...no Guru Sahibans, no Gurmukhs, no saheeds, no Sants....nothing.

Why?

Because they have blended in Him, they have merged in Him, becoming Him.

They emerged from Him, for a particular purpose, for a particular period of time, to bring back with them an alloted number of souls marked by Wahiguru, and once they reach there back, the wonder or wonder happens, nobody remains as such, because all from individual drops, souls; have become the One mighty Ocean.

So this is one braham , one misconception we have to get it cleared. Maybe somebody is thinking , one day when I reach Sach Khand, I shall see the 10 Gurus sitting beside Akal Purukh, the other bhagats mentioned in the Bani, or even the other Gurmukhs who have been coming at our human level, like Sant Paltu Sahib, Sant Tukaram, Sehjo Bai, Guru Ravi Das, Kabir Sahib, etc...all of them together like in a congress.

That is not Gurmat. The bani says: Sach Khand vaseh Nirankar. There in Sach Khand only Wahiguru exists, so naturally anybody upon arriving there, becomes Him.

Is it not that the purpose of any sikh, of any seeker?

As long as we do not merge and become one with Him, we are imperfect, we are still in the realms of mind, maya, kal and karmas.....Be it may Baikunth, Swarg or heavens...all these stages are under Maya, thus are transient and perishable, are very much in the boundaries of Parlay and Mahaparlay.

And so the Bani tells us, that in order to become one with Him, we should only give our mind, body and soul, to the only one Akal Purukh. Har iko Daata seviye, Har iko dheeaeeyeh.

It is moorakhta to place our hopes on any other beings, apart from one wahiguru Akal Purukh. He is the one sustainer, protector for absolutely all beings.

If we depend on anyone else apart from Him, we shall never get freed from Maya.

Just let us think. Either we are with Him, or we are not with Him.

So If anybody past, we worship or show our reverence, what is the sense in it?

If that individual soul has merged in Him, then why not directly worship Him; and if that is not the case, and those souls are supposed to be somewhere, because some say that they have been seen, then too, what is the sense in worshipping them, because if they have not succeded in reaching Wahiguru, and are stuck somewhere for any reason, how can they avail us? They can only avail us up to what they themselves have achieved, and surely they are not one with Wahiguru, that is why they are being seen, and not Wahiguru . In darkness only stars and moon can be seen. There where the powerful Sun is, no stars or moon are seen...

So let us give our love, faith and devotion, to the only one Wahiguru Akal Purukh. It is popularly known: jaisa dheeayeeh, taisa hoeeyeh. As you meditate so you become. If you meditate on the one Perect Lord Wahiguru, you shall reach there where He is. If you meditate on anything apart from Wahiguru, we shall never reach Him.

He is "sarvavyapak", means omnipresent.

So if He is present everywhere and in everyone, is it not shameful to place our hopes and faiths on any others than Him? Read the Bani, only His mahima, His wadeeayee is described, that also just a fraction of His inmense Majesty.

Why have we created and added so many external elements in Gurmat, thus creating and spreading delusion among the human beings? The essence of Nam in Gurmat is lost, and only rites , rituals, pilgrimages, moortee pujas are the daily bread in our lives...

The Bani alerts us by saying, do whatever you may, but if you do not do Nam Simran... then that what you have done, is just like decorating a dead corspe.

Singhoo, the Bani left by our Guru Sahibans and Gurmukhs, is a treasure beyond measure. Let us go throughly, and put into practice what it says: Awar kaaj, tere kitteh na kaam, mil Sadh Sangat, bhaj kewal Nam.

To end this post, in accordance to the above thread, I would like to bring the following words of Guru Arjun Dev Maharaj, as a gist of Gurmat, to the all blessed sangat:

Sun sundar, saaDhoo bachan uDhaaree.
Listen, O beautiful soul-bride: By the Word of the Holy Saint, you shall be saved.
jo ih mantar kamaavai, naanak, so bha-ojal paar utaaree.
One who practices this Mantra, O Nanak, swims across the terrifying world-ocean

Raag Aasaa, Sree Guru Arjun Dev Maharaj.

On Gyan

Raag Aasaa, Guru Arjun Dev Maharaj.

ਗੁਰ ਕਿਰਪਾ ਤੇ ਇਹ ਮਤਿ ਆਵੈ

Gur Kirapaa Thae Eih Math Aavai

गुर किरपा ते इह मति आवै

By Guru's Grace, this wisdom has come.

Here Sachay Patshah Guru Arjun Dev, is telling us that, the true spiritual wisdom, spiritual understanding, is not gained by studying or reciting books, or getting degrees from universities on religion, or dharam.

But, it is a consequence of His Grace.

And this Grace is showered, when He is pleased.

We may ask, how is He pleased?

The Bani says, by doing Nam jaapna.

And this Nam Simran can not be performed by all or anyone just like that.

It is also by His Grace, if He so wishes.

Just as Panchvee Patshahee in this very Raag, at other place, He says:

So Naam Japai, Jo Jan Thudhh Bhaavai
He alone meditates on your Nam, he who is pleasing to your will.

Dear sangat, let us read and understand the Bani,

with love and devotion, so that we may put into action,

what our Guru Sahibans have told us,

forget everything else,

and just love Wahiguru, for the sake of love alone,

and love is best expressed by pleasing the Beloved,

and pleasing beloved wahiguru, is not by words, rituals, sacrifices...

but by unwavering devotion within oneself (Nam Simran)

at His Lotus Feet.

Though brother Sikhseeker has given a very good reply above, we could say that while living in this world we have to deal with several situations in which we may find ourselves, whether willingly or not so...so it is better to draw a line at some point.

Sikhseeker has mentioned the strings of a musical instrument, or the skin on the tabla, the same could be said about our shoes, belts, etc....as being made of animal origin, where their lives have been sacrified...

But surely, if one feeds animals with meat or non veg, you are carrying upon yourself, unnecessary karmas on your head.

Poor animals do not ask you to do so. Let us forget or not speak for a moment of those who do not believe in these things, but if oneself understands what eating meat implies, how can we feed others with it?

Though they maybe animals.

Or is it that this law of karmas, is for mankind only?

No no no, it is the same for all creatures, from a microbe to the gods ....none can escape its tentacles. Though it is more strict for humans, as they have sense of discrimination which is known as "budh".

Animals act upon their instincts, so they have no choice, as nature has made them so.

It is we humans, who have this budh and intellect also, beacuse in comparison to all other creatures below us, it is we alone that have all the five tattawas active in us.

As we know the whole creation is made of five elements or tattwas: air, water, fire, earth and ether or akash.

All the creatures, living beings, make the wheel of eighty four, " chaurasi ka chakar".
The lowest forms of creation in this world is the vegetable kingdom, in which only one element is active, which is water.
The second category is of the insects: in them only 2 elements are active, which are: fire and air.
The 3rd category belongs to the bird kingdom, in them only 3 elements are active: water, fire and air.
The 4th category belongs to the mammals or four legged animals, in them except ether or akash is dormant, the rest 4
are active.
In the 5th category comes the human being, in him all the 5 elements are active, that is what distinguishes him from the rest of the creation, the element akash, gives him the reasoning faculty, known also as "budh" along with intelligence.

Now this was a short and a quick description of the physical creation.

Lets now take the following example to ilustrate the topic being disscused above:
Let us imagine, seeing someone pluking a flower from somebody´s garden, the owner sees him and give him a good scolding.

2nd case, somone kills the dog of this same fellow, the case can be reported to the police and the infractor can be fined.

After some time, somone kills this man´s horse, this time the infractor can be jailed.

After sometime again, some dacoit enters this man´s house and kills the house owner, this time the dacoit can be hanged, for his crime.

So as we can see, for each infraction there has been a punishment, according to the degree of of the infraction commited.

The punishment depends on the degree of the level of conciousness present in that particular form of life, consequently depends on the degree of the tattwas present or active in that form of life.

We can not live in this creation without creating karma; and so, if we have to create karma by force, let us create or collect the least amount of it; that is why it is recomended by the Saints to live on the vegetarian diet, by doing that, we collect the minnimum karma on our heads.

The kiling in this creation is done on each step, and is unavoidable, but by going for a vegetarian diet, killing is done to a lower level of conciousness.

It is easier, to walk wearing a shirt, than to have 100 pounds of weight on our heads. In the same way, anybody who wants to walk on the path of devotion , on the path of ruhaniyat, of spirituality, will by himself see, this need to be put into practice, not otherwise.

We have millions of people in this world, 99.99 % are not vegetarians , but they are still going. So it is the conscious aim, which makes one decide in this way.

Most hindus think, the cows are sacred, so they do not eat meat of the cow, they are only cheating themselves. Others think monday is a holy day for it is Shiva´s day´, or today is Satya Narayan (full moon) so today we should not eat meat.

Poor world, covered by maya and agyanta.

Anything we do, we must see some logic behind it, and not walk blindly, just because we may be born in some particular caste, creed or religion.

If meat eating is poison for oneself, how can it not be poison for others? There is no logic in it. What is the need to have animals, so to say that we have to feed them by incurring in heavy karmas upon ourselves, that also when, already we have countless tons of them on us...

Each one has a free will to lead his own life, nobody should be forced on anything....just as Wahiguru does with us.

He says, though you are my very own children, but I entirely leave your will on you, I shall never force you...it is you who go astray by your misbehaviour, or you can walk straight and reach me, it is fully your choice.

We also have to learn this from Wahiguru, to respect each and everybody... we may give an advice, but leave it then, there is nothing personal in it, each and every one has to tread responsibily his/her own way.

If Wahiguru being omnipotent, all powerful does not forces or imposes anything on anybody, who are we then to do the contrary then?

Wahiguru Jee.

Nanak, Sadh, Prabh, bhed nahee bahee
Nanak proclaims,

there is no difference between a Sadh,

a Gurmukh

and the one Lord Wahiguru.

Sukhmani Sahib, Guru Arjrun Dev

THE BODY IS LIKE A DREAM,
WHEN THE BODY ITSELF IS UNREAL,
THEN ALL THINGS OF THIS WORLD
ARE UNREAL
NAM ALONE IS TRUE
HOLD FAST TO IT.

WORLDLY AFFAIRS ARE

GOVERNED BY OUR PAST KARMAS.
GOOD OR BAD,
THEY HAVE TO BE GONE THROUGH.
WE SHOULD HAVE NO ANXIETY ABOUT THEM.
RATHER WE SHOULD BE ANXIOUS ABOUT
NAM SIMRAN.

THE BEGINING AND THE END OF ALL THINGS IS SHABAD.

ALL GROSS MATTER, THE SKY AND SO FORTH, SUBTLE MATTER,

SOUND, FORM, TASTE AND SCENT ARE ALL SHABAD.

WHATEVER EXISTS IS SHABAD.

WHATEVER IS MANIFESTED FROM SHABAD
CANNOT BE ANYTHING, BUT SHABAD.

SHABAD IS OUR CREATOR.
SHABAD IS OUR SUSTAINER.

WE ARE OF SHABAD,

AND SHABAD IS OURS.

MAHIMA OF GURMUKHA KEE DHOOR

"Make the dust of Guru's feet,

the collyrium of thine eyes,

It grants vision internal,

and mind purifies."

"The dust of a Sadhu's feet,

in its refulgence

is purer than

all the sixty eight places

of pilgrimage.

And the ground

on which he sets his feet

is truly sacred."

In the Guru Granth Sahib, a very high Bhagat´s Bani is included. If we pay attention to it carefully, it lays stress on Nam Bhakti, just as our Guru Sahibans, that is why Sree Guru Arjun Dev Patshah inclued it in the Granth Sahib.

Following is just an example, of His such a pure paviter Bani:

Mera tera manua, kaise ek hoi re.
Main kahata hu aankhin dekhi, t ukahata kaagad ki lekhi,
Mein kahata surajhavanhaari, tu rakhyo arujhaai re.
Main kahata tu jaagat rahiyo, tu rahata hai soi re.
Mein kahata nirmohi rahiyo, tu jata hai mohi re.
Jugan – jugan samjhaavat haara, kaha na maane koi re.
Tu to ranDi, phire bihanDi, sab dhan Daare khoi re.
Satguru dhara niramal bahati, wame kaaya dhoi re.
Kahe Kabir suno bhai sadho, tabhi waisa hoi re.

How can my mind(understanding) and yours be alike? I speak out of my own experience, things I have seen with my own eyes and you speak from the written books ( you have not known them).

I speak to make it simpler and you make it more complicated and confusing(because you yourself are not clear about it).

I tell you to keep awake(aware in your consciousness) and you go on sleeping(again and again in your consciousness).

I tell you to remain detached and you get more allured.

I keep trying to explain it for eons but no one listens to me.

You have become like a prostitute( who gets attached to anyone providing money) and wander like a loafer, you have lost your treasure(spiritual wealth) in behaving this way.

Kabir says - listen to me, the pure current of Satguru's grace(Anhad Bani) flows all the time, wash your mind in it, and you will also become pure like Him.

THE BODY IS LIKE A DREAM.

WHEN THE BODY ITSELF IS UNREAL,
THEN ALL THINGS OF THIS WORLD
ARE UNREAL.

NAM ALONE IS TRUE
HOLD FAST TO IT.

A humble prayer at the Lotus Feet of Wahiguru Jee:

Nam daan ab Satguru deejeh

Give the gift of Nam, O Satguru

Kal sataveh, swasaa cheejeh

Kal torments me, while my life is wearing away

Dukh pawat, mein nis din bhari

Having suffered deeply day and night

Gahee aye ab, aut Tumharee

I now take refuge in you

Tum saman, koee aur na Daata

There is no giver as generous as you

Mein balak, Tum pita aur mata

I am your child, you are my mother you are my Father

Moh ko dukhee, Aap kas dekho

I am perplexed when I consider

Yeh achraj mohe hoth parekho

how can you bear to see me, your own child in such pain

Mein hoon paapi,adam vikaree

I am a sinner, a degenerate

Bhoola chukaa, chin chin bharee

and time and again I have gone astray

Augun apne,kehan lag vernu

How can I describe my countless shortcomings

Meree budhee samjeh nahee marmu

My mind fails to understand the mystery

Tumree gati-mati, nek na janoo

I can not comprehend your status, your qualities

Apni mat anusar bakhanoo

I can only describe them from my own standpoint

Tum Samrath aur Anteryami

You are all powerful and all knowing

kya kya kahoo mein, Satgur Soami

What more can I say, Lord Satguru

Mauj karo, dukh anter haroh

Take away the anguish of my heart

Daya drishtee, ab moh pe dharo

Have a merciful glance now on on me

Mangoo Nam, na mangoo maan

So that I beg for Nam, not for the honour of the world

Jas janoh, tas deho mohe daan

Grant me this gift as and when you see fit

Mein atee deen, bikharee bukha

I am a poor beggar, distressed and downcast

Prem bhav nahee, sabh bidhee rukhaa

faithless and without love, dry and dust

Kaisay dogeh Nam amola

How will you ever find me ever worthy of your invaluable Nam

Mein apne kau, bhau bidh tola

I take a hard look at myself and wonder

Hoe nirash, sabar kar betha

Weary and despairing, I am now resigned to my lot

Par man dheeraj, dhareh na neka

but my mind is without peace, still hoping

Sahid kabhee, meher ho jaaveh

That grace may descend one day

Toh kahun, Nam nek miljaave

and I may receive the priceless Nam

Bina meher, koee jatan na soojhey

Without Grace, no plans can materialize

Bakshish hoe, tabhee kuch bhoojey

Only with Grace, can I comprehend the mystery

Kinka Nam kareh mera kaaj

Only a particle of your Nam would fulfil the purpose of my life

Hey Satgur, tumko meree laaj

O Master, You are the protector of my honour

Abh toh man kar chuka pookar

Spent with praying, my heart cries out

Satguru, karoh udhaar

My Lord Satguru, deliver me from my bonds.

Saints, Gurmukhs, through their teachings, show us the reality of this perishable world, and create that type awareness in us, so that we may ask only the Lord, from the Lord, through the path of surrender, love and devotion at His Lotus feet.

As per my personal experience even after 40 years of research in ruhaniyat, there is certainly a need of a mediator to understand Gurbani.

And that is because, the Bani of our Guru Sahibans is pure, is paviter, and as such, is expressed by higher level of Consciousness.

On the contrary, we are moorakhs, mugadhs, we are stone heartened... how can we ever understand it ?

Our minds are dirty, so we are manipulators, there is no way.....unless we are fortunate enough, to come in the sangat of a Gurmukh, a Sadh.... that is it.

The ambrosial Bani is full of praises of this type of Gurmukhs.

There is a faboulous Shabad which illustrates this affirmation:

Sun Sajjan preetam mereeya, meh Satgur devoh dikhaal.

Here, the sikh , the soul is praying to the Lord, by asking Him to make him meet with a Satguru, a Gurmukh... Let us pay attention to its depth, its beauty.... the soul is not asking Wahiguru to reveal Himself, so to have His darshan; but is rather asking Him, to make him meet with a Gurmukh.

We may be surprised, and ask why so?

Why not directly?

Well such is the path designed by Him.... nobody can go back to Him, without the mediator in the form of a Gurmukh, a Sadh.... a Brahamgyani, a Sant Jan ....

That is why also, the Bani says: Awar kaaj tere kitteh na kam, mil Sadh Sangat, bhaj kewal Nam.

The Bani says, nothing else is of your avail, leave everything aside, just take refuge, take shelter under a Gurmukh, get from Him the Gurparsad, and do its kamaee, or Nam Bhakti.

Christ also says: nobody can go unto the Father except through me. He who has seeth me, has seen the Father, for I and the Father are one.

Christ was a Gurmukh, and He also clears our doubts by saying, that nobody can go and meet Wahiguru just like that, but until He(Christ, Gurmukh, Sadh...) Himself opens the inner doors of the chambers of His Court, because Wahiguru has kept the key of His Chamber, in the hands of these Gurmukhs.

And so we may ask, what is this key?

Well the Bani says, it is the Gurparsad of Nam, which we saw in the above tuk: Mil sadh Sangat... for what?

Let us think... is it to have coffee and tea with them? Or to go to the cinema, or do wordly business, etc etc etc....

No none of these things, but to humbly go and spread our jholees, and get the Gurparsad from them... as the Bani says: jis vakhar ko laen toon ayaah, Ram Nam, Santan ghar paayaah...

I am quite consciouss, many may get offended and say all this is rubbish, but it is not their fault, as it is that what we have seen and heard since we were born...since some several hundred years back, so what the Bani really means, is something very different to what we perceive or the way we perceive.

No matter if one has done PHd or masters in Gurbanism or sikhism....this is not a worldly science...

Sikhism is the science of the soul and its creator Wahiguru, so naturally only a true Master, a Gurmukh can only make us understand what all true Gurmukhs have said, and stated in their Bani...

Gurmat is the language used by these higher souls .... and we are ignorants, maha moorakhs, blind...

The Bani says: main andhuley kee tek, tera Nam adhaar.

Means we are all blind, and unless we take the support of Nam, we can not move even an inch towards our goal Wahiguru.

No true Gurmukh comes to make any new dharam or religion. It is we stupid humans who have limited thier Bani, within the limits of our minds and by mixing it with politics and rituals, rites, idol worship, etc....

The goal of any Gurmukh, is only to make us merge in Wahiguru, irrespective of gender, caste, creed, dharam, mazab,social status, nothing of that sort which is related to the body, but they emphasize on only one thing: bhaj kewal Nam

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Dear Findingtruth,

the symptoms you mention, are the base of true spiritual growth...

Just as you say, satisfaction, peace, relaxation....after all this is, what one wants from spiritual practices...

So "badhahee ho", continue on with your bandagee, bhakti...

Slowly and slowly, one starts feeling detached from the world, a higher consciousness is develpoed, then kaam , krodh , lobh , moh ahankar do not attack you so fiercely...until there comes a time, that you are totally out of their field of action, and that is because not because of one´s merits, but because of His Grace, a type of spiritual shield envolves you, so that you become inmune to sin and mind; and also one always misses Him, and as one can not find Him outside, so naturally, one does bhakti with more zeal and will power, so that one has His darshan within oneself as soon as possible.

And of course not only this stage is one´s end, but much much more higher, beyond Parbraham, Sach Khand is the goal of a true sikh, so to say, to merge in our beloved Wahiguru Akal Purukh, through the blessed jugtee of Nam Simran.

You have just avoided the entire discussion and I have addressed all your questions in your previous post. It's only fair to address mine, we are doing veechar just because I am questioning your theories doesn't mean for you to get annoyed at me and then use the sakhi of prithia chand to prove a false point.

If you run away from learning and people asking you questions then you will never progress. Gurbani can be proved to anyone and even when questioned it can be proven. Don't get disheartened... Your soul logic involves pure blind faith and cannot be proven but Gurbani is not like that - it can be proven to anyone and doesn't require answers depending on guess work.

All of gurbani can be proved starting from now there are no levels or rises in avasta to prove it. We don't need to throw logic out of the window when examining gurbani.

Neither the sakhi of Prithi Chand is false, nor the point I try to make you understand is false. False is your ego, which does not allow you to accept any other view than yours. Ego is haume, is ahankar, and it seems, you do not have it clear at all, the difference.

No matter how hard you may try to argue, or do veechar according to you, but I know where I am standing... what to say about you, but nobody can make me move from my firm beliefs about the Bani and Guru Ji, due only to His Grace, otherwise I am quite unfit .

You say:All of gurbani can be proved starting from now there are no levels or rises in avasta to prove it. We don't need to throw logic out of the window when examining gurbani.

See your own contradictions: first you say that gurbani can be proved...we do not need logic out of the window.... but at a later place you say, all personal opinions are theories, and only Guru Ji can make us understand what they want to say .....

So according to you if everybody has opinions or own theories, then how can agreement come from the veechaar ... because if there are 100 people and 100 opinions are the outcome, where is the truth which our Guru Sahibans want to convey us?

It is impossible to carry on, according to your way of thinking...

What makes you understand that I do not go through the gurmukhi in the Bani, and depend on english translations only?

That is not true.... of course I do relate the english translation to the gurmukhi, and only when I find sense to it, I do express myself ...

You see me using english, because we are on a english speaking and writing website : SikhSangat

Be humble man, do not be so stubborn... Nobody says, the soul dies, neither that the soul is the body or the mind as you think

All of us know, that the soul is immortal.

The thing is, the soul and mind are knotted together. Kal Purukh wanted to have this mayavee creation, and he asked for souls from Akal Purukh to populate it, as he can not create or destroy souls by himself.

Some may ask, why did Akal Purukh did so....that I can not answer, but for sure we know, He can never make mistakes, as He is all wisdom and Consciousness... at our presnt stage we can never understand.

So the next thing Dharam Rai did, in order to keep the souls as prisoners, he cunningly united the souls with mind, and thus the law of karma was then establised.

Because, any karma created by the mind, whether good or bad, the soul would had to pay or get rewarded for it, and as we can not remain karmaless, our amount of karmas are always on increase... so you see....the soul being away from Satnam, has forgotten its origin, and due to the mind, the panj karma and panj gyan indriyas, is mercilessly roaming in the cycle of births and deaths along with the mind, whose headquarters are in the causal region.

Let me remind you, the soul is not the body nor the ego nor the mind...because you tend to get confused at this very point, this is your main problem here, not that you do not know something or other, about the Bani...but here only at this very point, you are lost ...There starts your confussions...otherwise you are certainly a well versed man, and there is no doubt about it.

Going back to the post: Sree Guru Arjun Dev Maharaj says in Raag Gauree Gwaarayree:

ka-ee janam bha-ay keet patangaa.

In so many incarnations, you were a worm and an insect;

ka-ee janam gaj meen kurangaa.

in so many incarnations, you were an elephant, a fish and a deer

ka-ee janam pankhee sarap ho-i-o.

In so many incarnations, you were a bird and a snake.

ka-ee janam haivar barikh jo-i-o.

In so many incarnations, you were yoked as an ox and a horse

As we can see, He is saying, due to the influences and misguiding of the mind and ego, you did karmas for which you had to take births in different species, and that too not once or twice...but many times.

Remember , He is saying, that the soul had to go through so many janam and maran, in different bodies, sometimes as plants , fish, or ox among others of the chaurasee ka chhakar, due to its knot with the mind .

This knot, the soul can not break it by itself, unless it gets the aid of a power superior to the mind, maya, and the very Kal Purukh, who does not want any soul to escape from this his creation, so he has set traps in forms of karmas at every step, to keep the soul prisoner here.

And that superior power, is the one of Nam, on which, if the soul meditates, it can burn all its karmas, clean all the accumulated dirt, defeat the mind, maya and Kal, free itself from all these bondages, and return back to its origin, in the company with that Shabad.

That is why the Bani says: Nanak Nam, jahaaz hae. Because boarding on that Nam, through its Simram, the soul reaches its true home, and merge back in Satnam, from where it one day left.

That Shabad acts then as a guide to the soul, and so the Bani says: Shabad Guru, dhun(soul) chela. Means, with the power and authority of Nam, the soul crosses this Bahvsagar.

And as it is in the company of Shabad and Nam, no power can stop the soul...then even Dharam Rai, bows down to that wadhbhagee soul accompanied by the Shabad Guru.

So then Guru Ji says:

mil jagdees milan kee baree-aa.

Meet the Lord of the Universe - now is the time to meet Him.

chirankaal ih dayh sanjaree-aa.

After so very long, this human body was fashioned for you.

saaDhsang bha-i-o, janam paraapat.

Through the Saadh Sangat, the Company of the Holy, you obtained this human life.

kar sayvaa bhaj har har gurmat.

Do seva - selfless service(Nam Simran); follow the Guru's Teachings(updesh), and vibrate(meditate, do bandagee, do kamaee) the Lord's Name, Har, Har.

After wandering aimlessly in the creation, you have been blessed with a human body, that is the door for your liberation. Get the Gurparasd of Nam(Guru´s teachings, updesh, bhed, jugtee), and do the jaap of the Nam of the Lord Har.

Gurmat existed before you and me, and it shall go on, it stands by itself, by the power of our Guru Sahibans...

We are not discovering anything new..... we are dirty, moorakh, agyanis, how can we ever properly understand the Ambrosial Bani of our Gurus ..for that, we have to be pure like them...

Until then, we should with one pointed devotion and faith, put into practice what it says, we do not need to understand its real meaning fully, that is why Guru Nanak Dev Maharaj knowing about our limitations, says in Jap Ji sahib, do the meditation or jaap of Nam, and all the truths of the Bani shall be revealed unto you... no matter even if you are illiterate and can not read, or you are handicapped and you can not go to hear the parchars ...

Beacuse: Har mandir eheu sareer hae, gyan ratan pargat Hoe... this human body is the real temple, where He should be worshiped and can be realized .

Not that I like to discuss with you, but I just can not remain quiet, if you try to throw dirt(false accusations) on me....

Maybe it is better to ignore you, but out of sympathy, and as a huamn being, knowing that your soul and mine, as well of the rest of the beings, are drops of the same Ocean Satnam... so with the aid of the Bani, I will always try my best to answer you, and clear your doubts.

Sat Sree Akal.