HarsakhshiKaur

I have just found out - I don't know if this is true or not - that the current president used to work for Indira Gandhi anyway... :nono: :ohno: :evil: :shoot: :faint: :sprint: :imslow: :onfire:

WJKK WJKF dudleysingh, I do not mean to cause you disrespect, however, you too need to stop living in the past. You have said, as a weak argument to one of my comments on the racism of the police, that 'worse things have happened in the past'. If we are to stop living in the past, then we can also take the racist police officers to court on account of racism and harassment. The same can be done to the partygoers, under the terms of harassment. A criminal can come under many forms - lawfully, morally, ethically, physically etc. The Dudley committee are, by Sikh ethics and morals, moral and ethical criminals. They are two types of criminals. The criminals by law are: the police officers, the partygoers and the Singhs who broke in. However, the Singhs who broke in are only ONE form of criminal - lawful. The police officers are three different types - lawfully, morally and ethically. The laws of this country can twist the opposing side's argument also, please do not use the law as an argument as it is a very weak argument in some cases.. Only when legal documents come into the matter can it truly become a strong argument. If the legal documents are in any way incorrect or controversial, then the law can be applied here and there can be arrests based on the fact that the legal document is false. If the Dudley committee do not have some legal documents in place, then the Sangat could take them to court and be '21st century citizens'. I do understand your perspective, however, you are not defending it well enough for me to agree with your points. ~ Harsakhshi Kaur

Yet again, another comment I definitely agree with... if the people of the were educated more in many aspects, so many global horrors could have been prevented, as well as horrors against our religion.

WJKK WJKF I have to agree with you brother, this sangat does not have a wish for anyone to interfere with their version of sangat - the people at the local pub. We have tried to be peaceful with these people, and it hurts most of the Sikh sangat to know that they continued to provoke the people. Then feed the media horribly one-sided stories. The Singhs who were provoked were brave, and their intention was to stop this breach of our Maryada. I don't think they were wrong in what they believed in, nor were their actions... it's just the 'modern' people that will twist these acts to their advantage... it has already been twisted greatly by the Telegraph, calling the whole protest a militant protest. There were children there - I suppose 4 year olds count as militants then, eh? :stupidme: These people do not have a wish to be peaceful, no matter how hard we try... 1978 is an example of our peaceful protesting being turned into a massacre. I think everyone wishes for a peaceful means of solving this. It hurts to see brothers and sisters fighting amongst themselves, especially when there are things occurring in the world that are trying to destroy us. If we have a wish to fight against those who have committed horrible acts towards/against our nation, we must first unite ourselves in an unstoppable force that once existed as The Khalsa. By going against what Guru Ji has told us, we are destroying ourselves, and weakening the true image of our nation. I have seen pub signs in Birmingham showing pictures of Singhs drinking beers... I fear our image is becoming tainted... and now the journalists are mocking us. I agree with the comment from Balait_da_Sher, " There is an expression in punjabi, "jado vaar hi khet nu khaan lag jai ta khet da bachna muskhil ho janda", this means that when the (vaar=boundry i think) boundry starts harming the farm instead of the protecting it then farm cannot survive. I feel that we need to take lessons from this and create a nationwide standard for gurdwaras, committees etc. If such standard is not met then such gurdwara must be closed. It is best to not have these pretend gurdwaras which insult what Sikhi stands for." The UK Gudwarai must consider this matter, as too often am I beginning to see Gudwarai acting against Sikhi. This is because [i do not mean to judge again ] the committees that run them tend to be filled with members of the older generation. I mean no disrespect to the respectful lions of the older generation, but some are not lions - instead they are hyenas and sheep. The Gudwarai run by true lions tend to be very lovely places, filled with Singhs and Singhnian that inspire the younger generations to become true Sikhs. The ones run by the hyenas and sheep tend to have party halls - it is NOT the Gudwara that needs to be shut down, it is the committee that needs to be rethought. At my local Gudwara, I fear the same things that happened at Dudley will happen here - the committee wish to make 'a community centre', when the vast majority of the Sangat previously voted for a sports pitch - the last time they made a 'communtiy centre', there were barrels of beer found outside, and Singhs had to come and destroy the beer, and interrupt a party. Now the Sangat are ignored by our committee, and the committee has a minority of people voting AGAINST this idea! This is what I mean - it is the hyenas of the committee, that should be put to shame. In some cases, the Sangat is to blame, but in most cases that I have seen, I don't see the Sangat being blamed. There should be A WORLDWIDE POLICY FOR COMMITTEES AND GUDWARAI. If there is one, please may somebody place a link to a copy of it, so that I can put this forward to my local Gudwara? :confused: [You can find the news on my Gudwara as one of the popular pages on Panthic.org] ~ Harsakhshi Kaur

WJKK WJKF I hope this doesn't provoke anything, but does anybody notice how this could relate to being against Sikhs...? (*cough*1984*cough*) http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/6909979.stm She has had controversy in the past against other religions, such as Muslims. She is also related to the Congress party... that can never be good. I looked it up. ~Harsakhshi Kaur PS - please don't attack me with comments about how 'wrong' or 'irrelevant' this is... :s :ashamed:

Well said, I wouldn't have put it any other way myself. :khalsa2:

WJKK WJKF Brothers and sisters, in this matter, the violence is focussed on, but not the simran that was done beforehand. Dudleysingh, are you by any chance a baba from this Gudwara that finally learnt how to use the old box in your house to try and start a fight with Singhs and Singhnian who are trying to defend the Sikh Maryada? Most of these protesters were peaceful. I went with my family and sat down peacefully. Do you know what even happened? One of our Singhs was pushed aside by a police officer and searched because of his kirpan. They were blocking the way to the Community Centre, and telling some people to 'shove off'. They made racist comments towards us as we were doing our simran. Then there were partygoers who came up to some people nearby and taunted them... yet they still sat doing Simran. Throughout the whole event, various Singhs told us to keep peaceful - however, the Singhs who did 'commit violent acts' had every right to. They were provoked by partygoers, and it was quite hard not to slap them anyway - Waheguru Ji protected us from getting into a rage. I wouldn't have agreed with violence if it was wrong, but in this case, those partygoers deserved it. There were children at this protest - I am teenager myself. We also witnessed the people go and hide away drinking and eating meat. They came and taunted us, so the lions went to fend for us. I see no wrong in that - however, if you can argue against this, please state so. ~ Harsakhshi Kaur