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Some valid thoughts above - i hope the admins of the sangat TV are chiming and reading these comments.
I do support al channels - however the issue or me is if one start a business - one must know what they are getting into , the issues
and costs and planning etc. - what i hate the most is they started them and now they try to persuade sangat to support them. Should that kind of planning should have been done before the channels had started so we would not have such issues of running out of mone. £160k is peanuts - how will the channel be sustained after?
I know we neeed media and i support it - but the future planning has gone a miss here clearly has it not? Where was the business risk assesment? Communication with the sangat is really bad - if that was done properly at first , gaining direct debit gurantees for years to come then it is possble we wouldt be in such a mess.
However i do wish them well and will be contributing - hope they have a a better business plan for the future.
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waheguru ji ka khalsa, waheguru ji ki fateh.
I am a 16yr old girl who does japji saib every morning, listens to kirtan sohila every night and i try to go to gurdwara every day to do darshan. My father is amritdhari, but my mum isnt but she is still devoted to sikhi. My family is quite religious and I love listening to paath. This year I have had a very rough year with friendships. Ive been isolated a lot and depressed. Ive done some stupid thinfs to myself, but ive learnt that it is not good to. Ive finished my school and is starting a new one for A Levels. Im on holidays at the momenr.
Ive tried to cut all the negative people out my life but suddenly alot has happened for no reason and i have 3girls who want to start arguing with me. They have no contact so far except one Of them used to be a good friend. Anyway Im not going to let them contact me. But i feel very scared and lonely. My mum knows about all this and is trying to help me. Please can someone help me by telling me what meditation i should do. I know God is just testing me as we are all Gods soldiers. I trust God. But i just need some help as to what other paath i should start in order to become stronger and closer to God. Im sorry this is long. But I feel like as a sikh, only sikh people will understand. The girls after me are also sikh but are not very nice at all and have caused trouble for alot of other people.
Someone please help, i will be most grateful.
Waheguru ji ka khalsa, waheguru ji ki fateh.
WJKK WJKF.
All reccommendation here are cool and you should try and follow them as much as possible. In addition may I advise you to do
at least 21 chapuai Sahib paaths every day for a minimum of 40 days and report back here on how you feel about your issues that you
have menitoned above.
Guru Sahib tests are in various ways - secondly doing paath is good , however we must also try to control our - listening, speaking, ove indulgence in all forms as much as possible too. The more attached one is to this materail world i.e facebook, phones , tv , films etc - the more it robs oneself of the paath already done. Keep things simple, life simple. If you cannot do chapuai sahib paaths - please try Gurmantar jaap every day for at least 1 hour. Check out the last vichaar gosti lecture here by Giani Kulwant Singh Jee - it tackles the negative vibes you and a lot of teenagers go thru - heck i went thru them too. Listen again and again you will enjoy and learn and develop so much more:
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Part of the rehat maryda for an amritdhari sikh is to do mool mantar as well as Gurmantar everyday - however a lot of amritdhari sikhs hardly even read the rehat maryada and try and understand it properly.
Both are equally important mool mantar =- Gurmantar - and of course your deeds on the day - watching and policing how you look, control your hearing of nindyia, control of food intake etc
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any update here from the new terapanthvase team??
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Great ideas - hope all the recruits of this new outfit are as in the second panktee of the title "tera panth vasee maan ujraaa" -- "maan ujraa" people who are willing give 110%
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Bhai Harjinder Singh Ji is an amazing kirthani and the Sangat should forgive him for 1 mistake in praising the Badal family. But something is not right!
However, in the speech shown live on Sangat channel this evening he clearly stated that he has never asked for kirtan bheta - he didn't ask when he had nothing so why should he ask now when he has everything. So why is this KSUK guy asking for £250-£300 per programme from Gurdwaras?? Is he getting commission then, as it really sounds like the guy is a promoter.
this dont make sense - KSUK sevadaars please come on down and clarify of the £250-£300 fee. however i have no issue there is no price on the preciouse keertan done by Bhai Sahib. And putting this video on this forum is also a waste of preciouse time - listen to the keertan guys .
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Indeed a great idea - however what will be its' aims: police the gurdwara in the uk ? or and do amrit sancharrs? why not just have a group i.e Gurdwara sudhaar lehar type movement. We have tons of issues - I will ask my local Gurdwara committee types to see what is their reaction.I also think without communicating with all th eGurdwara in the UK this step would not be wise, Im sure Jagraj Singh is aware of that anyway.
No matter how hard we bash the Gurdwara they do need funds at to survive and the only way that is through weddings Akand paaths etc. but i agree a lot ot these are not done with marayada. So if we are going to for a Takht will it require funding from all of the Gurdwara or will it create ideas for these Gurdwaras to survive without the need of huge costs of weddings etc.
I think its a bold move and needs a lot veechar - would love to see more input on it here.
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I will be studing in rotterdam from this year in spetember and need accommdation - preferabbly amirtdhari sikh family - does anyone know of Gursikhs in rotterdam?
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Excellent video .. Akali's - SGPC - etc . establishments need to be broken down - we need to start over completely with fresh establishments. Initially to being with 5 singhs (amritdhari and of jeevan kamai) and then they be the rule and leaders of teams of 5 or 3 as an organisation. I have been in contact with relatives in Punjab this time around there seems to be not much support for the badals as it seems. However issue remains whether they are in power or not KHALSA needs its own house in order and BREAK down the SGPC establishment and Akali's as they completely and utterly DEFUNCT.
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Waheguru ji ka Khalsa Waheguru ji ki Fateh
panthicunity, you have hit upon a truth of life, a truth which is given by the guru, but like other truths is paid lip-service and is presently ignored and lobbed into the waste basket.
Consumerism, capitalism, indeed any form of 'ism' is a terrible disease. Why is it a disease? There has always been lust, greed, ego etc in society translating into uncessary wants, desires and ego fulfilling megalomania, however it was never part of 'popular culture' or the mainstream.
For the large part of human history, we have lived HEALTHY and HAPPY lives, and GOD has provided EVERYTHING that we NEED.
The Gurus themselves, when in human form had rich and fulfilling lives in every sense. Working hard with his hands to sow his own grain as part of a self-sufficient community, Guru Nanak Sahib ji had everything any self-aware human being could possibly want- God, clean organically grown food grown by his own hand, modest organic clothing made by his own hand and modest hutment to live in with his family, made from renewable materials, living in perfect balance with the natural workd, as pristine and unspoiled nature is God's form as much as any other. The Gurus in human form were experienced horsemen, swordsmen, excelled at poetry and philosophical endevours and took pain in the suffering of the world and were ergo the highest order of philantropists. They did not have any need for MONEY for everything they had and could ever want was provided by living in a symbiotic relationship with their natural surroundings. Pind Nanaki, which is now consumed by Anandpur Sahib, was in particular set up by Guru sahib to be a model small scale self sufficient community, living in balance in a symbiotic relationship with their pristine surroundings (ancient forests and wildlife). Such a life is so great that you will not be able to imagine it and it's benefits- one of the core reasons why today's mainstream lifestyle is such a disease- for we are limited to what we have and are able to experience. Once unspoiled nature is wiped out and limited to small pockets- we know no other way of life. One thing that nobody would pay attention to is sound. We ignore sound. Sound has historically played a great role in the development of humans. Our brains prioritise sound. The universe was created with sound. The sound current of the Naad vibrates in the Shabad, party through sound that may actually be perceived. For one who's inner ear is active through God's grace, is unfortunately overwhelmed by NOISE. Even your mobile phone has electronic parts that give off low frequency noise. The oceans today are abound with noise. This is interfering with the existence of the world at a very subtle and unexplainable (by today's knowledge of 'science') way. However to you, you know no other and it is accepted as normal. The consumerist world is visually driven- media, advertising, sex, suble sound is given the short stick. Keertan (praise the lord God whom I love), is struggling today. For your own amusement, ask a so called 'sikh sant' about said noise and he will be as clueless as a fish out of water. If the shabad guru were to take a human body today, his first reaction would be to instantly recoil and plug his ears for the global background noise from mechanics and electronics is overwhelming to the natural ear. This is one of many subleties that we ignore on a daily basis because we simply don't know better.
The Gurus in human form did not have mass consumer products, electricity etc. Their manner of living was akaal- timeless- they were not, contrary to what the so called 'babas' and 99% of the "sikhs" today will tell you, which I personally consider to be absolure heresy, that the Gurus in human form were poor unfortunate backward uneducated people living in poverty of body and mind. They will not say so in those precide words but they will readily imply it in suggesting that the Gurus would "jump" at the "opportunity" to live with today's mod cons and consumerist lifestyle. In other words, in these days of Godlessness, we do not trust, nor believe the Guru nor follow their example when it does not suit.
Dhan shabad guru cries hoarse about the pointlessness of accumulating uncessary material wealth. Gurbani refers to the futineless of applying the cleverness of the mind towards unjust and pointless means, and that they will not only be left behind, but may be the cause of problems unto yourself and others, including the natural words. Gurbani taken as a whole is profound to the extent, in my opinion, that the vast majority of people are perhaps unwilling to put it all together, or they are simple unwilling- stuck in the downward spiral of maya initiated by their own selfish egoistic houmai-ridden selves.
Punjabis, who make up the overwhelming majority of Sikhs are amongst the most materialistic and consumerist societies in existence today. Statistics show that they are they make up the most materialistic and consumerist immigrant communities in the UK and the USA, surpassing the Jews, who (stereotypically) have a history of hoarding wealth. Punjabis within India are part of the whole developing nation system, that is to say, mindless "devepment" and "progress" at any cost, however what "development" and "progress" exactly? Punjab today has toxic rivers and polluted air, if there is any water at all left to flow, non existent ancient forest cover, no real pristine unspoiled nature to speak of and people are unsprisingly dying of cancers and various modern age lifestyle diseases, and this indeed holds true for most of the Sub continent. There are fortunately some who appeal for zero development, but such people are dismissed without though, as "backward savages" (whereas in fact they may be highly enlightened).
How does one do introspection without bias is a valid question I hear you ask (or indeed should be asking). In order to be able to analyse the situation, one must disassociate from the present, as if we were looking at our present as if it were some civilisation in history. Only through this detachment from the daily grind, are we able to see how such fools we are. It is well established (all agree regardless of faith or godlessness), that life's true meaning is about positive virtues and self enlightemnment and indeed this is where the West his been headed in aspiration for a while now- i.e. clean air, health, organic food, world-free from poverty and suffering, sparing nature, pursuit of arts, poetry and philosophy etc- unfortunately they do it in the only way they know how- i.e. through the global economic system- i.e. ratrace to the top, collecting as much money as possible, trickle down to the poor, gaining the stresses and diseases of this life, and then trying to supplement it with the afore-mentioned good stuff (at the expense of dumping their waste then on the third world), further concreting in the minds of those in the developing countries that this is the only way to personal salvation. God of course be damned or is separate from life itself. And for those who cry hoarse about econmics and poverty- All whilst Gurbani tells us that poverty and suffering are a cause of human greed and selfishness, rather than any inherent trait- for God created the most perfect system and is the source of all things good. All the greatest thinkers throughout human history agree. You however may not agree based simply on the fact that you're part of this sytem. It is a highly intoxicating system from which we cannot detach for even mere self-introspection. It is a disease, a cancer of the highest order. Ask a so called 'sikh saint' about living a self-sustainable life, they way God has willed and he will look at you stupidly.
Let us compare to the time of Guru sahib in human form- when the lions roamed free from persecution, from Gujarat to the Himalayas, when the rivers flowed undammed and where Guru Gobind Singh received the shabad of Benti Choupaye from Akaal Purakh and immortalised the teer sutadrav within it. There are no two ways about it- humans are a scourge on the earth- every place they occupy becomes wasteland or concrete jungle. We generally struggle to coexist with nature and wildlife is killed of in the biggest genocide in the history of the world- flora and fauna that have flourished for millions of years undisturbed and which at a subtle level, more subtle than man may ever be able to comprehend actually support our survival including through the subtle vibrations they release, but that is the subject of another debate.
The human population explosion in the world is a NEW phenomenon. If you don't believe the GURU sahib, then please read "The third revolution" by Paul Harrison (http://www.amazon.com/The-Third-Revolution-Environment-Sustainable/dp/0140146598), which should be essential reading in schools- you absolutely must read this in order to understand why we are where we are today. Was the world always exploding with humans spilling out of every corner of the earth, widespread famines and diease, polluted water and air, consumerism/money/economics/capitalism/communism/'ism's of any kind- a big fat emphatic NO. We started out as living in small self sufficient, happy and healthy communities- highly rich in language, arts, culture and science (the average man knew more about astronomy and nature than you, the alleged modern school system educated reader). Research also about the native americans- not the plains Indians immortalised in pop western films, but rather the highly advanced aztec and other southern native populations wherein each man was farmer-priest-worker and soldier rolled into one (ring any bells?). Watch the documentary "500 nations" to know more about these enlightened people (again partly as we rather not believe the Guru's shabad and life example and like to believe others). Of course all the peace loving and highly advanced civilisations in existence were wiped out by greed and conquest at the end of the day.
If we want to believe the Gurus, the poignant truth is available in the Shabad if you search with a true heart. The truth are available directly to those Gurmukhs whose mind is attached solely on GOD, if they so yearn for said truth. If however you are unable to do mere introspection and are unwilling to even consider than any alternative to the mainstream popular way of money driven- life being aspired for today, even exists, forget even could be optimal, then that is ego of the highest order, for we must always challenge our assumptions, no matter how basic, and learn the truth from the Guru and ask guide to guide us INTUITIVELY.
Life is meant to be intuitive. Sahej. Without uncessary mental stress, consumerism ratrace included. Any any all so called 'modern' development is nothing more than a solution to problems created by previous "developments". Think about it. Do you know that today's lifestyle would not have been possible without oil? I bet you do not know that Guru Gobind Singh ji expressly forbade the burning of crude oil: maati ka tel jo is par jaale, maat ka tel phir usee ko jaale ['maati ka tel' actually meaning 'crude oil' and not just kerosene oil, which is one of the early petroleums. Plastics and chemicals are made from oil. This means an entirely organic life using renewable materials in all aspects of life. The Gurus lived this life and today even the "babas" cannot manage without crude oil and it's derivatives. But it's possible I assure you.
Read also the "one straw revolution" by Fukuoka, another book for essential reading, it will help you break your mind's link between "job" "naukri" "money" etc and life. [Gurbani is very clear as to what is one's true profession and one's true trade and job but we pay these shabads lip-service as usual]. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS JOB OR PROFESSION. In fact it is downright ridiculous to define yourself by this.
On ownership: Gurbani is again very clear on what is capable of being owned. Slavery has existed in human history and continues to exist. The majority of 21st century slaves including children sex slaves, exist in India- a shameful truth indeed. Whilst today we have begun to understand that human beings cannot be 'owned', not long ago it was the norm to consider ownership of an individual, as mainstream thought. The bible, koran, torah, hindu scriptures all accept slavery, even if they ask one to be kind to one's slaves. God rejects slavery and seeks emancipation of his form. It is all his form. ALL. Parcicularly unspoiled nature. People buy and sell land. They are slave owners and enslave nature for their benefits. It is no secret that the big consumer push in the last 200 years has been on the back of slavery of humans prior and nature subsequent- for such 'development' needs to come from somewhere. In the sense that energy is finite, someone has to suffer for another's immoral gain. One can be a humble servant of God and be both friend and guardian of land. Nature has a right to self existence. Humans however see unspoiled nature as being far too much a temptation- for it must be conquered. There are some places where we are just not meant to be.
Can you imagine a life without money? Without being a wage slave? Living in a peaceful, self-sufficient sustainable community that is highly self-aware? One where the naam vibrates? One where wildlife roam free? Can such a life exist today? It is very difficult but possible and this servant is amongst a few who have been ordered by God to try to make it possible. For today's lifestyle is not sustainable and will implode, I forewarn you. And when this happens only those who are living by their own hands will survive. And such life is bliss and the closest one to God whilst still living, I assure you.
For anyone who reads this, let it be a though provoking message for self-intrspection, I do not present you with this golden information for mindless debate on this website- my words are for self introspection and if you want to know more, do an ardaas and God will lead you to like minded individuals, Inshallah. Please do not insult this servant of the Lord God by reading too far into the inevitable errors in the message, for he is not perfect, but the essence I hope is clear enough.
Many words and no praise for God- such is my ego. God is my true inspiration, my sole friend, my only passionate lover, my parents, my support and my destroyer too. Unseen and unheard or conspicuous- he is all I see in everything- man, animal or tree, thoughts, actions and words, God is there waiting to be recognised.
I rarely use internet today as I have left behind my 'consumerism' life of old, and only use this technology during the transition to a life free of . It is my God given mission to assist in bringing a self sustaining natural way of life back to humanity and I will happily die towards this aim- and die I might need to as this disease of consumerism/money is so toxic that even the mere suggestion of an alternative can get me killed in some parts. But I belong to God and not anyone else.
Take care. Love your God.
Waheguru ji ka Khalsa Waheguru ji ki Fateh
what a write up - admins make this a sticky for life - 100% spot on chardeee kala --
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watched it - another waste of time by singhs - as there are much much huge issues facing the Sikh kaum. I feel Dr. sahib answered the questions perfectly and professionally, i also feel the singhs said the right thing for Dr sahib not quote unnecssary and debated issues in his lectures. Its' a minor mistake by Dr sahib however we have much bigger issues to deal with at present in the world.
Dr sahib should be suppported either way - how many such authors do we have at present
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Thank you for all the replies. Maybe I should have made the post a bit more specific. For example if one was to do paath reciting out loud and at another instance do it with surti...lets say you do nitnem by the two methods...which one would be accepted by Guru Ji? Paath done out loud or the paath done with surti.
Because personally I started to do paathby surti and I started to hear stuff and later on I ran into a video that said if you hear stuff then those are the naads that are heard by radhaswamis and that the Gurmat way is to recite it out loud and hear it with your ears...im so confused on this because im told that first you do Jaap out loud and then with surti...it seems the same thing to me. Maybe someone understands this issue and can help me distinguish what is the right way.
And also in a katha by Giani Thakur Singh Ji he says that if you hear Vaheguru along with other dhunis then you're on the right path...if you only hear dhunis then he said no not that way.
veer jeeo the right way is in the shabad in rehras we ready daily " antar Gur aradhana jehava jap gur naao.." please do vichaar on this shabad - it has all the asnwers.
secondly Gursikhe is shabad - surat ka khel withou a doubt. Not sure if you are interpeting Giani Thakur Singh je's word correctly..however goal is keep going till hear shabad consistently as recall in your mind all day all the time.You must listen to that and not ignore it.
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***IMPORTANT EVENT***
Bhai Gurbaksh SinghKhalsa Ji has announce that tomorrow, 28th December he will be returning to his home town, where in the evening Akhand Kirtani Jatha will be doing a Rainsbai Kirtan (all night Hymn singing). We would request that all Sangat attend this event; details as per the below:
When: 28th December 2013
Time: 7pm-7am
Where: Village Thaska Ali, near Shabaad Markanda, Dist Kurkshetra, Haryana.
Please contact us for more information
We support Bhai Gurbaksh Singh Khalsa
BHAI SAHIB IS JUST AWESOME parnaam Bhai SAHIB nooon chardi kala
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Absolutely Chardee Kala - Bhai Jugraj Singh jeeo - bilkul jugaaaaa ditta far kee - maharaj dee apar kirpa
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i doubt even if we had the best Akal Takht leader things would change in teh Gurdwaras abroad or in Punjab. What 's needed is a panel of sevadaars
representing the akal takht and ensuring the Gurdwaras are monitored and ensure they follow maryada - just like during singh sabha lehar time there was a gurdwara sudaar lehar which ensured Gurdwaras and the main people in the committes followed protocol- till we have that we are nowhere, apologies no offence intended just my 2 cents
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apples and flowers? have they thinking capacity ?
thinking capacity or not - there is no way everyone will be the same and have the same thought process everything - each mind/ munn is different - and each has according to their own past karms will be nearer or further to sikhe thought process - any other elobariton you require? apples or bannas or whatever - tell what is exactly the same?
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I agree wholeheartedly sir, thing is it sometimes feels like our media is a bit like the old penddo committees types we have in our Gurdwara up and down the country i.e they want to do something to kndle their ego but when it comes to rea lissues and crux they shy away like a lions with their tails in between their legs.
I sincerley hope Sikh channel stays on par - as the current ceo is a pretty cool cat and doing a swell job at present , others i'm not sure.
The crux and truth of the matter - effecting the sikh kaum wil prevail and come out one way or the other anyway. Pendo des perdes types are just their for the money
and may so is the other sikh media organisations however if they ignore the basic fundamental things going on within the panth then what is their point afterall.
They indeed belong to the panth as support of sangatan worldwide is growing for them - we are all after all inter dependant and cannot survive without that depednacy.
Thanks for your input again
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why don't we have 100% same thinking of gurmat??
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Do you mean same thinking of gurmat 100% - i.e per rehat maryada ??
There will always be differences - we are to live and respect them equally as khlasa.Sikhe is most natural dharm ever in this world which looks for perfection in this way and that. Next time you come across an acre of flowers or apples - ask and take a look do they all grow the same way and have the exactly the same kind of shine in all OF THEM? It's not nature's way to all the same way.
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Thanks veer jeeo for the update - i also congratulate the youth for being cool here.
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I was reading in des pardes of recent that this rally is being hosted for two dates one by the youth and one by the elders - both clashing dates booked by both - i hope it doesn;t turn out to be farcial - please confirm here if anyone knows this is true or is it just des pardes punjabi paper hype??
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Guys -
Many Thanks for all the responses and contributions on this thread which i started about sikh sangat airing naamdahris'
To date i haven't received no reply via email or anything and nor have sangat tv responded here however i i am certain that
they are aware of what they did.
For the sake of my contribution to sangat TV it stays at present due to a mass of great other programmes on the channel which
you cannot argue are great. It would be immature to assume all is wrong because of airing naamdharis once - and cut monthly
contributions.However we must remain vigilant on such stances.
Please refrain from comments which create emotional venom - that was not my intention for this thread, it was informational. I continue to watch sangat tv - in hope they won't do this again.
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So much nindya over nothing - ANY internet warriors have they read Baba Nand Singh jees works - not so i think not one mention of photo pooja is mentioned - prove me wrong if you can. Who knows that photo shoot is true or just edited to cause nindyia on the forum.
Admins please take note - so much nindiya going on here - why are you not awake please
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Imagine how much you could feed the homeless if all western world Gurdwaras only stick to one dal or one sabjee in langar that is all.
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I asked the question simply - i dont want this to go in to hate this hate that - issue is sangat tv should be adhering to Akal Takht edicts - they shouldnt be airing naamdarhis at all.
Please if sanagt tv is reading this debat - answer why they did they air this prograame - i watched it - the guy talked of SATGUR PARTAP SINGH quite a few times on the show, it was crystal clear where he was coming from . I am all for naamdaris to come on here once they accept SGGS as there Guru and retake amrit as per akal takht maryada - neeldahris have done this of recent. So please dont paint everyone with the same brush.
I need an answer from sangat TV or they should apologize to sangat via their channel for airing such individuals - i'm sure they are reading this debate - if no answer than my Direct debits are coming off to this channel by the end of this month.
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Managing expectation is always hard - mind lives in PAST PRESENT AND FUTURE - Gursikhe jeevan teaches to be in present at all time. i.e. what are you doing now with 100% committment. take things 1 step at a time.
Path done is fine - carry on doing it - however - we have to live according to sikh prinicples too - i.e seva of sadh sangat - try seva on a regular basis starting of one day a week at your local Gurdwara - joriann de seva or langar seva - those depressing feelings will dissappear.
Other clues are listen to raag keertan - particluarlay Basant raag - this raag if sung or listened to correctly with love it will bring joy and bliss in your heart - plenty of youtube links by the likes of Bhai Balbire singh jee.
Sikhe is accepting whatever is happennig in your life - you need to accept as a gift from the almighty - not demand anything. Biggest person we listen to at all times is our mind - however Gurbani says all the mind things is childish i.e " hoee ehann kare kum" or "naal enhee dostee kadee nah avee raas" - mind dont know jack all hence why we need higher level of teaching from SGGS sahib and understanding. Search for videos by bascis of sikhe - Bhai Jagraj does excellent work on the issues you have.