yubacitysingh

1984 to 1992 200 thousand sikhs are killed, and look at how the sikhs responded

after the holocast look at what the jews did, israel 5 million who are kicking the day lights out of the 700 million arabs who want to destroy them

West london singh usually cowards are intimidated by lions which shows why you are intimidated by jews, you clearly showed that hate with your last sentence in last post

Jews target terrorists and fight the terrorists

Arabs target the inocent and kill the inocent

also for west london singh the jews weren't invited by the palastinians

Uuh ? :blink2: What...are you now having conversations with yourself....or do you just have very poor English comprehension skills ? When exactly was it alluded that the Palestinians 'invited' any jews ?

LOL non ignorant dude your so stupid everything you said is waste of time, your dumb enough to believe these hippie lies when it comes to the middle east

Ah well. Sign of thr times I suppose. Sign of the crazy topsy turvy upside down we're living in. Where hot has become cold and bad has become good. When even Americans start lecturing others about ignorance. :omg:

Ah yes. Hansard. The official publication of Parliament. Written by unwashed hippies it was. Must've been...according to your logic...because it mentions debates in the House about finding dead British soldiers hanging from trees, murdered by newly arrived Jews in Palestine.

Oooooh and the terrorist bombing of the King David Hotel by jewish emigrants to Palestine, thus mass murdering British officials. Must have been the work of hippies. Probably smoking pot in a hotel room and dropped a match or sumething.

If you wanna know what you look like to the outside world Yubacity....imagine a young man somewhere in the world right now telling others that terrorists killings in the world trade centre etc are the work of hippies...and anyone who thinks otherwise is an easily led leftie.

Look, enough of this tomfoolery....talking middle east politics with an American is like a broken pencil : pointless. When a lone state has the financial, military and moral backing of the most powerfull country in the world.....who protects it in the UN with its vetoes....then it is false to ignore the real power that lurks behind and refer to that nation as 'strong'. The Sikhi I was brought up with teaches me to stand up for justice. Just as I hope that others may find it in their conscience to stand up for the suffering of Sikhs. By that token, I and every single country on planet earth (except america) do find it distasteful to see the inhumanity of the Isrealis towards the Palestinians.

I have stated many times here how there are so many similarities between the Sikhs and the jews....not least the requirement to wear a turban and the suffering. But you would be very wrong if you thought there was much religious spirituality among the Isrealis. Let us not even mention how the hassidic jews...especially the ones in north London and parts of Brooklyn see the state of Isreal as an abomination. They see no religious justification for its existence....for reasons not relevent to this discussion here. Let us instead remind ourselves.....as we have all observed Isrealis on holiday in India (where they seem to be the largest number of holidymakers) and here in Europe : These people are the most hedonistic people I have ever seen in my life. Not an ounce of spirituality or piousness among them. We Sikhs should be learning to NOT be like them, and not the other way round.

thanks for proving how stupid you are

and showing that you could take the gold medal for being a moran

plus only a hippy would be stupid enough to believe what you say and believe what you believe

You said that palastine invited the jews with open arms, but that never took place the jews moved to the holy land long before that and palastine never greeted the jews with open arms instead they tried attacking them

this debate started about how strong israel was with you implying they were weak, i proved you were stupid, and showed why israel is pound for pound the strongest country, country of 5 million kicking the day lights out of the 600 million arabs who are trying to destroy them

You claimed america was behind israel's strength but proved how stupid you were by showing how israel fight by themselves in each war and have bin kicking the daylights out of the arab terrorists themselves. Remember united states special forces learn from israel special forces. So israel fights their own wars and train americans

Now your attack on jews prove your a broke hippy, people who think jews arn't spiritual and selfish are people who think rich people are evil lol hahaha.

I have jewish friends i actually went through high school with a buddy whose jewish and growing up in california you run into jews often and their pretty friendly people and spiritual, donate heavy to charity and take care of people

Now jews are rich and successfull but thats cause they work hard and learn what it takes to be successful and rich. Now alot of people attack jews cause their rich and think rich people are bad and they think this cause they jealous. Unfortanatly you have rich people who are great and rich people who are scum, you have middle class people who are great and middle class people who are scum, and you have poor people who are great and who are scum. Thats just to end any debate that starts that rich people don't have good morals

Now you have jews who behind african americans were the biggest supporters of obama, also majority democrats who continue to support obama even though he wanted to go to the pre 67 borders. Showing jews are pretty understanding people but these arab terrorists arn't

israel attack the guilty and the arab terrorists attack women and children. ALSO ITS CAUSE ISRAEL FIGHT LIKE MEN THAT UNITED STATES BACK THEM UP WHEN THE HIPPIE INFLUENCED UN TRY PROTECTING THE TERRORISTS WHO ATTACK THE INOCENT

Israel has a good track record of punishing soldiers who lose control and attack inocent

arab terrorists base their war on attacking inocent jewish children and women

jewish people who are pro israel critizise israel when inocent palastinians are hurt like al franklen jon stewart and many more influential jews

but influential arabs never ever say anything about killing inocent jews and most defend it.

miral great movie made by israelis to help conservative right wing israelis feel more sympathy for palastine, israelis who have to worry about their women and children being killed by arab terrorists makiing movies so israelis will have more sympathy for them. Wow i just made you look even more retarded cause you claimed jews being morally bad people

As for your claims that jews in london and new york don't support israel, over 97% of jews support israel's right to exsist, and believe they need a country cause through out history in every other country they were attacked just like all the other minorities in those countrys

YES I ALSO TOLD YOU YOU RETARDED HIPPY THAT JEWS DID ATTACK PEOPLE BEFORE ISRAEL WAS CREATED, BUT THE PEOPLE THEY ATTACKED WERE THE ONCE WHO WERE HURTING JEWS, THEY ATTACKED IN SELF DEFENCE BUT NEVER KILLED INOCENT PEOPLE THEY KILLED THE PEOPLE IN POWER WHO HURT JEWS

AND YES WHEN THE BRITISH MANDATE WAS PASSED JEWS KILLED BRITISH SOLDIERS WHO ENFORCED THIS, CAUSE THE MANDATE PUT INOCENT JEWISH LIVES AT RISK, BUT I COULDN'T FIND ANYTHING ABOUT JEWS HANGING BRITISH SOLDIERS, BUT THEIR ARE ARTICLES ABOUT JEWS KILLING SOLDIERS TO PROTECT FELLOW JEWS BUT NOTHING ABOUT JEWS ATTACKING INOCENT PEOPLE

LISTEN FROM YOUR COMMENTS WE KNOW YOUR A COWARD WHO SUPPORTS TERRORISTS WHO ATTACK INOCENT WOMEN AND CHILDREN

THAT YOU BELIEVE MEN WHO FIGHT LIKE MEN SHOULD BE PUNISHED

THAT PEOPLE WHO KILL INOCENT SHOULD BE REWARDED

YOUR A HIPPIE

YOUR RETARDED

AND YOU REALLY SHOW HOW STUPID YOU ARE WHEN YOU INSULT AMERICA AND AMERICANS AND AMERICAN MEDIA CAUSE I KEEP EXPOSING HOW YOU ARE DUMB ENOUGH TO BELIEVE HIPPIES

More important for every gurdwara to look at making Sikhs. More important for Sikhs to become Sikhs and most important to encourage our children to learn and live the path of Sikhi. No use to look at the military when Sikhs do not even understand the basics of Sikhism. Stop wasting our time bringing out such useless topics. Think about putting your time in becoming strong yourself and lead by example. Put your time in teaching Sikhism to the misguided Sikh youth of today.

ahhh thats why i said gurdwara's have to find ways to attract youth cause most youth find the gurdwara boring and the granthis and alot of the retards drive the youth away, have you seen weddings be it uk or states you have these dumb granthis start lecturing people about sikhism which in turn ticks people off, people get angry when their being judged and lectured so hence why people make fun of these granthis

the gurdwaras need to find ways to inspire youth to come to the gurdwara and learn about sikhi but let the youth decide to take that knowledge and do what ever they choose to do with it, you can't tell anyone how to live their life its human nature people don't like being told what to do

and reason i bring up military is that sikhs need to raise men and women cause sikhs are to soft, but i guess you would rather be weak then strong

"oh you don't understand anything about israel and don't forget during cold war soviet uniion stood by palastine"

No offence Yubacity, but recieving a lecture on the middle east from an American is a bit like recieving bodybuilding tips from Bill Gates. Americans are, by nature, ignorant of everything and

anything that hasn't actually happened directly to them. Now....in the 1940's Palestine was under British rule. Just like the IRA in the 1970's and islamic terrorists today, Jews from America and Europe started to arrive in Palestine and committed terrorist attack after terrorist attack against the British army there. Murders....cold blooded killings...culminating in the mass killings of British soldiers at the King David Hotel. All this....so they could get their own Jewish state. And how did the native Palestinians fit into all of this ? One moment they're sitting there in their family homes. the homes they've been living in for centuries. All of a sudden lots of Jews start to arrive , escaping the gas chambers of Europe. The Palestinian Arab, having heard all about the terrible atrocities being committed against jews by christians in europe gave opened the doors of their homes to give sanctuary to people that desparately needed sactuary. The Palestinians said to the newly arrived jews : " We understand my friends...that you have jumped from the burning pan and I am glad that you have landed on me so that I could soften your fall" " But the immigrant jew, rather than being grateful, had other ideas. Rather than saying thank you to the Palestinian for breaking his fall and giving him shelter, the jew picked up a spade and broke both legs of the palestinian. Still not satisfied, he threw the palestinian and his family out of his own home and took it over. 60 years later the palestinian and his family are still living in refugee camps. Still angry. Still hurt. Still awaiting justice. Still trying to get their voices heard. (echoes of 1984 delhi here) .

What you need to remember, yubacity, is that ignorance of the world is peculiar to America. When you type what you've typed above, you have to think to yourself whether the readers will be fellow Americans force fed lobby led lies from their politicians and biased media......Or will the readers be from the rather bettter informed and well read non-ignorant rest of the world ? Thats just a little tip from me to you to stop yourself falling into the ignorant american trap. Your country doesn't have a good reputation as it is. Seems silly to add to the problem.

Haha yep thanks for proving my point you are extremely dumb when it comes from middle east politics, actually i don't follow american force fed lobby led lies from politicans and the media isn't biased unless its fox news extremely pro israel and msnbc extremely pro palastine, but your to stupid to know that

LOL non ignorant dude your so stupid everything you said is waste of time, your dumb enough to believe these hippie lies when it comes to the middle east

But the original argument was you attacking the strength of israel and i showed you their pound for pound strongest country

The Jews had planned for a homeland in the Middle East since the 1880s. Look into how the Ottomans were more than willing to sell barren land to Jews for cold hard cash. The Jews farmed this land and turned it into sustainable land. When the British chickened out of Palestine, the Jews didnt want to go the same way as Sikhs had done in Punjab so they took their destiny into their own hands. Shame our lot didnt think along the same lines.

Sikhs have to learn from this also half the jews who fought in 48 when the arab nations ganged up and attacked israel had just come out of concentration camps were their bodies were broken with their determination handed the arabs their behind

after operation bluestar and anti sikh riots and the slaughter of inocent sikhs in punjab the sikhs just took it

also for west london singh the jews weren't invited by the palastinians and yes the jews fought hard before israel but it wasn't terrorism they killed anyone who attacked the jews, cause some of the first jews who started moving to their holyland were once driven out by arab muslims from their successfull farms and buisnesses and faced discrimination from all muslims for being non believers trying to build a country in islam holy land so when they were attacked they fought back, as well in 48 the first war the arab nations told palastinians to get out of the war zone and move into camps so the arabs could go all out and kill jews without palastinians getting in the way, 600 000 palastinans left and when this war was going on another 400 000 middle east jews moved into israel to join the war effort, after the war the palestinians were turned away from the arab nations the 25 arab country's so they could be used as leverage to try driving the jews out

and also its israel who wants a two state solution but the arabs don't

i believe sikhs need to learn their history and the gurdwara's need to find ways to set up programs

sikhs should be encouraged to put their kids at a young age into boxing and mma

and every gurdwara and sikh should encourage children to look at the military

"Pakistanis bullying sikhs in England" ? When and where Yuba City Singh ? I live in England and thats not what I've ever seen. The opposite in fact. What you will hear depends on where in England the Sikh lives. In areas to the north of London, where the muslims are the overwhelming majority of 'browns'...it is true that some of the Sikhs feel 'bullied' or up against it when it comes to muslims. But in the south (including London), where the largest number of UK Sikhs live, it is the other way round. Please don't believe everything you read here from sikhs with clear anti-muslim prejudices.

As for Isreal. How strong are they really ? The world's strongest power stands besides them and bankrolls their military arsenal and ensures they have a green light to bomb, murder, demolish and assasinate at will. This is a funny sort of 'strength' indeed.

oh you don't understand anything about israel and don't forget during cold war soviet uniion stood by palastine

lets see israel's strength because clearly you don't know anything about middle east

1967 the arabs ganged up and attacked israel from behind it was pure surprise attack, yet israel kicked the day lights out of these arab country's and took up a whole lot of land in the process and now these arab's who out number the jews in israel 90 to 1 are crying wanting what they lost in the war back also the united states didn't do anything during this war

israel fight and target the terrorists

arabs fight like cowards and attack inocent women and children

the world doesn't give israel a green light cause the hippies always cry and everything you know about the middle east you learned from hippies

2006 example the coward arabs would shoot rockets into israel targeting hospitals and schools and these terrorists would hide behind inocent civilians lebanan

israel started dropping bombs were the rockets were comming from and cause the arabs fought liek cowards and hide behind civilians the hippies started crying telling israel to stop, israel even warned the people before they bombed to leave so they can kill the terrorists

israel had to pull out cause the world kept putting pressure on them, don't tell me they get the green light

and america doesn't give weapons for free to israel actually israel buy's them just like saudia arabia buys weapons from the united states

siksh can learn from israel the fact is kids in israel are raised to be soldiers and do three years in the military

with standard of living increasing it is understandable at the same rate people getting softer, no heat no electricity life was different back then

but with sikhs standard of living isn't the reason, look at 80's 90's when sikhs were being slaughtered most sikhs didn't do anything and allowed sikhs to get killed

the united states a sikh gets called osama and their to scared to go out again and wanna cut their hair

pakistanis bullying sikhs in england

LOOK AT ISRAEL THEY ENJOY A HIGHER STANDARD OF LIVING THEN SIKHS YET THEIR SO STRONG

I BELIEVE SIKHS ARN'T RAISED THE WAY THEY USE TO BE WITH THE SAINT SOLDIER MIND

THATS WHY THEIR SO SOFT AND BULLIED

i believe BE DO HAVE

Sikhs have to be the people they need to be to have khalistan, sikhs need to be saint soldiers

so we dowhat is needed to have khalistan being saint soldiers they will inspire sikhs to come together and others to support also they will be able to run a gurdwara which sikhs are horrible at doing today

well have khalistan

sikhs need to inspire youth in punjab away from drugs and inspire sikhs to drop their egos and come together with a common cause

what do sikhs have to do to accomplish

84 to justice

Well the answer is very simple you are comparing Trained guerilla Fighter sikhs with todays civilian sikhs.Those Sikhs were raised as trained fighters,unlike today's Sikhs they knew they have to be in army .They had 100% faith in Guru and most of them were not afraid of Death.They were surviving in very harsh conditions of Jungles .Now compare today's situation Sikh boys in cities are raised with liberal girly environment ,main aim of sikhs all around the world is too earn lots of money and then find a girl to marry .

How could you expect today';s sikhs to be tough in these circumstances?

true so whats the best way to reverse that

im not being negative i like to point out problems and talk about solutions

you ignore the problem then it will get worste

problem today is why did sikhs get buchered in india and guys like kps gill live like kings and badal run punjab

in the west in places like uk why do sikhs get attacked by pakis and in the states why do sikhs get scared and run to the barber to cut their hair cause some redneck called them osama and their basketballs dropped so they run

im talking about majority of sikhs like 97% of the population from what i see

were 200 years ago it was 97% of sikhs who were tough and 3% who were soft

sikhs could be tortured have their finger nails ripped out while being brutally beaten and not give in

they would run into the battle field against odd's

today sikhs have become weak

and little big of adversity cut hair

sikhs need military trained assasins

but their our some bad apples who do target inocent don't forget air india

If somebody has comments, please write to BBC.

http://www.bbc.co.uk...gazine-15480741

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points of self interest are so true

When I look at the jewish community they are extremely successful but they put their community ahead of themselves and work together towards success

what would it take to bring sikhs together and look out for the community

I have to agree with the OP. My experience only - our women are letting the side down big time.

There was a wedding recently where there was a violation of Sri Akal Takt marayda. a Gora was marrying an apni in anand karaj at a Gurdwara that had already passed the resolution that only a Sikh will marry a Sikh. It was an "undercover" wedding, but singhs found out and there was a confrontation.

The girls mother, an punjabi born aunty, whos parents are keshdari, who is also a regular gurdwara goer said "you singhs are nothing, my daughter is marrying a GORA! and hes a SOLICITOR" and you lot are kachey pakeh.. meaning illegal immigrants.

The lads were all educated, mostly Gursikh uk born.

This is the Girls MOTHER.. and the daughter was shouting out "smelly singhs, call the police on them!!"

Even the girls dad and brothers seemed ashamed, didnt say a word.

I've seen it time and time again.. our bibiyan, mothers and daughters are letting the side down big time.

Even in india, theres areas of dehli where hindu guys brag about how easy sikh girls are, and they brag no "surd" (what these b*stard kachties call Sardars) marries a virgin.

By no stretch of the imagination would i say our brothers are in any way perfect. but ratio's speak for themselves.

Forget the Panth, or Sikhi.. most girls have ZERO loyalty to their own family. They will happily break evryones heart for abit of you know what.. its disgusting.

I read alot of books, social science, physiology, etc etc.. and we can sit here come to a billion conclusions of what needs to be done; parchar, social upbringing.. blah blah... bottom line for me is... there's no fear.

There was a time if a white girl walked into a pub with a black, they would both get lashed. Those days are gone, now what? 1000's of half caste babies to single mothers.

When singhs stand up and have zero tolerance on those that betray their koum as well as those that want to p*ss about with our sisters, then we will see change.

dandeh naal kum hoana - no other way

big failure

this way girls woudl rebel even more hahaha

in the western world were people arn't brainwashed like middleeast people don't like being told what to do

human nature

when you start telling and controlling girls the more rebelious they become

raise strong sikh girls educate them about the great inspirational history sikhs have and to use the women who accomplished so much as role models to hit their goals and build a good close bond with them

if your going to be to conservative the girl will rebel

you be to liberal then the girl will not care about her roots

you got to meet middle ground

Sikh girls just arent attracted to guys with beards and turbans, they only run to sardars when non-sikh boys have finished using them! then they all of a sudden want to marry a sardar to save their reputation. No wonder so many singhs go to india to find a decent wife.

girls don't want losers, alot of sardars attract girls but the once who are losers are the once who can't attract girls

reading your responce i know what category you fall in

http://www.sikhsangat.com/index.php?/topic/63675-for-all-the-singhs-that-complain-about-girls-not-liking-singhs/page__p__515400#entry515400

the sikhs of 1800's were great thats why they had a great country

the sikhs today don't come close to the sikhs of the 1800's thats why punjab is a mess and sikhs arn't close to khalistan

if sikhs got khalistan just handed to them then khalistan would fail

if sikhs become the people they need to be to have a khalistan and make it great then they will have it

lottery winners 90% of the time go from millionaires to back to broke

self made millionaires who go broke 90% of the time become millionaires again think about that

in the west sikhs have the oppurtunity to train in some of the best armies in the world and in those armies rise to the top

and if time comes the sikhs from the west would have no problem taking down the indian security

we could go on and on about the economic and ideological aspects of a khalistan..but the fact is sikhs are better off with khalistan in security terms...200,000+ sikhs have been killed since mid 80s and the world doesnt even know about it let alone speak about it...security of our culture, language, history and religion is our main ambition...mughal empire was the superpower of its time...it was richer in the 16th century than the british empire was in the 18th century..shows how rich they were..but even then the khalsa brang it to its knees...the durrani empire sacked delhi, looted it thouroughly..invaded punjab many times..looted it aswell..took countless women slaves to sell in markets of kabul and kandhahar..from abdalis conquests the durrani empires economy was booming from plundering many a land..yet we brought this emerging power to its knees...maharaja ranjit singh started off with a few vllages and turned it into the greatest asian power of its time...according to the british the sikh empire had the premier army in the mid 1800s...our economy was strong...the sikh currency was more powerful than the french currency...according to western explorers when they entered the realm of the sikhs..they saw no beggar...they were astounded by the wealth of our nation...the literacy rate of our nation was 80%+ compared to 50% that the britain had..this was because our raaj was still running on the religous school system..where sikhs would be taught from gurughars..muslims from madrassahs etc and this was provided free by the religous instituions...the literacy rate was higher amongst women compared to men..which is surprising for the time...LETS REGAIN OUR PLACE AMONGST THE NATIONS OF THE WORLD...

the sikhs have to be like the sikhs were then to do the things needed to have the country the sikhs had back then to have all the things sikhs had

be do have

sikhs are no were close to what they were, in punjab sikhs screw eachother to get ahead and in the west sikhs step on eachother to get ahead

sikhs are weak like seriously back then each child boy an girl were raised as soldiers today most sikhs are raised soft

but i said this before i believe the first step is to bring back the military traditions and i can't wait till jan when i offically get to enter and begin training in the marines cause then i can start encouraging fellow sikhs to join the marines and become soldiers like their ancestors were

if sikhs were properly trained in military combat rather then it being over 200 000 inocent sikhs killed it would fo bin 200 000 indians security

plus punjabis try stepping on eachother to get ahead and their the only indian community to do this

but having guju friends i can see why they are so successful compared to rest of the indians

with punjabis their hard working but the younger generation is far more spoiled the parants want to give them everything and though they want their kids to be docters and so on they don't push their kids as hard

gujus think only way they can make their kids happy and give them a good life is to make sure they get the best education or they think their kids won't be happy so their on their kids when it comes to school, guju parants think they failed their kids if the kids don't get an education so they push them

report card time if they don't have the best grades their parants go into depression

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seeing how gujaratis dominate all the other indians and have passed jews as in how many docters they produce and in how many millionaires they produce per capita id have to say gujus pass the sikhs in england to, the home ownership the sikhs have higher ownership then hindus but it throws all the hindus in their it doesn't single out the gujaratis and alot of hindus arn't that successful like guju, so can't say sikhs have higher home ownership then guju

looking at how the hindus compare to the jews in education and docters id say the non guju hindus kind of bring the statistics for hindus down and its the guju hindus who bring their numbers up