yubacitysingh

how well do sikhs do in england

with what we know about sports med today and nutrition i think south asians make to many excuses as to why not to succeed at athletics

i believe if you train smarter and harder today then others you will out perform them as well

even sikh punjabis is it lack of mental toughness, cause to make it big in athletics you have to be mentally tough to train harder and smarter

mma is combat and it destroyed all these traditional martial arts

dude their is no evidence that these traditional martial arts are the best cause theirs to much evidence of mma fighters kicking the day lights out of them

dude these websites and emails don't prove nothing all it proves is you lost the debate cause you got no evidence to back up your claims cause your claims were proven wrong ufc pride vale tudo

and if some of these guys came to my gym they would piss their pants cause most boxing gyms are filled with guys from crazy neibourhoods

Achha Bhai Sahib, you are intent on repeating yourself without even bothering to read the detailed posts I have written for you. Lol, London is hardly safe, it probably has one of the largest concentrations of organised gangs in Europe, not to mention one of Europes worst knife crime statistics. In case you blinked, you may have also missed the Riots last month....

im just telling you the truth, cause most of what you say isn't true

END OF DEBATE RIGHT HERE, WE HAVE HAD TOURNMENTS WERE THE BEST FROM EVERY MARTIAL ARTS SHOWED UP TO COMPETE IN NO RULES COMBAT

EVERY TIME BOXING MUAY THAI WRESTLING JI JITSU FIGHTERS BEAT THE DAY LIGHTS OUT OF THE BEST KUNG FU FIGHTERS IN THE WORKD AND BAK MEI IS KUNG FU AND THE BEST KARATE FIGHTERS THE BEST NINJA FIGHTERS, REASON THE GRACIES LEFT THE UFC WAS WHEN THEY ADDED RULES, AS WELL THE GRACIES WOULD ONLY FIGHT THE BEST AND THE UFC ONLY INVITED THE BEST AND MOST DANGEROUS

THIS IS WERE YOU LACK COMMON SENCE IF THESE TRADITIONAL MARTIAL ARTS WERE AS EFFECTIVE AS YOU CLAIM THEN THE ISREALI COMMANDOS AND AMERICAN SPECIAL FORCES WOULD TRAIN IN THEM RATHER THEN BOXING AND MUAY THAI, FOR STREET FIGHTING KRAV MEGA IS THE MOST DANGEROUS CONSIDERING THE FACT ITS USED BY THE BEST SPECIAL FORCES IN THE WORLD EVERYDAY ISRAEL

AND EVERY KID WHO LEARNS TO FIGHT FROM THE GHETTO AMERICAN GHETTOS LEARN BOXING, AND THESE GUYS COME FROM DANGEROUS NEIBOURHOODS TAHT WOULD MAKE YOU WET YOUR PANTS IF YOU STEPPED IN ONE OF THEM

AND DAN HARDY TRAINED IN CHINA IN SOME OF THE MOST ANCIENT AND TOP KNOWN KUNG FU TEMPLES THAT ARE THOUSANDS OF YEARS OLD AND GUESS WHAT HE DOESN'T USE IT OR TRAIN IN IT, THE ONLY THING HE GOT OUT OF TRAINING THEIR WAS CHARACTER

BUT STAY AWAY FROM STREET FIGHTING CAUSE YOU WOULD GET KNOCKED THE BLEEP OUT

Bhai Sahib, you are still not able to seperate between sport and combat. Vale Tudo and Pride etc were sports events with the incentive of fame and money. What business would someone who has learnt the art of death have there? The so called 'Kung Fu' practitioners who participated in these events were nothing of the sort, there were no reknowned or recognised traditional Masters at these events, just sports martial artists.

It seems pretty clear that you have little to no experience on the street i.e. multiples and knives. Getting someone in an armbar or going to the ground (committing to one person) is going to get you killed, as is trying to fight a weapon from a distance using strikes only (Muay Thai). These are not improved versions of the Father arts, they are diluted versions, the Father arts cannot be used in the ring. You cannot kill someone or break their spine, or burst their eyes, or attack nerves, maim, break bones, tear muscle, permanently disable people in the ring.

If you actually bother to study MMA/UFC you will see that all the combat elements have been removed i.e. Gracies originally used to manipulate finger to snapping point when being overpowered or lifted by bigger opponents.

None of the arts you mention are weapons arts, kindly stop deluding yourself and others.

I am going to throw you one tiny bit of 'light' on the McDojo and Media world of MA that you are living in.

http://www.mafangfa.org.uk/

Bak Mei is little known and devastating closed door Southern Chinese external boxing system. There is only one high level practitioner that I know of in the UK, but he teaches out of choice and only one to one. There are 2-3 very quiet and selective schools 'commercial' in the UK, I have provided a link to one. Both this chap, and there a few others I know of, have been there and done that in MMA, Thai Boxing, Boxing, Wresling. They devote their life to practicing and teaching (selectively) the art of death. Bak Mei is hated amongst most Chinese Martial arts schools, because it has an infamous history, it was known as the Shaolin Killer (read up on the history). In fact I should be able to put you in touch with a 'real' Bak Mei teacher near Yuba City (who has competed successfully in all you mention and even teaches people who enter MMA compeitions - that side of his life is however only a business). Feel free to PM me, I will provide details. Better to get 1st hand experience than learn from biased MMA blogs/forums.

This is only one amongst a plethora of little known 'martial' arts in the real combat world.

Again I have no problem with Krav, I have a Krav student, it is a good basic set of effective principles (its not an art), good for quick learning environments like the Police.

The other arts you mention also have their place - they provide many great (but selective) fighting skills, but they are sport orientated and taught. If you want to know about combat arts, reasearch Bokator, it's a whole different world. These are the arts which were used in the battlefield.

God bless.

i clearly have alot of experience when it comes to street and your from uk were their is no real violent crime, secondly the guys who competed in the ufc's and pride's and vele tudo tournments were the best of the best from kung fu and other traditional martial arts and they got beat up by boxers muay thai fighters and wrestlers and ji jitsu artist

evidence that you don't know anything about fighting is that you believe anything anyone tells you when it comes to traditional martial arts being effective, most the traditional martial arts will get you killed in a street fight

for street i also say muay thai and boxing is best for stand up on street, for ground ji jitsu and wrestling and i never said this is effective for street fighting

no one has proved these traditional martial arts are as deadly as the claim and when they had their chance they got their butts kicked in the first ufc's and pride's

the vale tudo tournments and first ufc's and pride's showed us the best martial arts are when they had no rule tournments to see what martial art was the best and from all these tournments up to today with the no rules vale tudo tournments in brazil we see the best martial arts are

muay thai

boxing

wrestling

ji jitsu

"i say if your going to train in martial arts then train in the best and train hard muay thai for standup boxing for fist fighting ji jitsu and wrestling for ground and for weapons krav mega".

Just passing by. And will make a few points Singh Sahib, out of genuine concern (I don't have a habit of banging my head against brick walls).

Muay Thai is a sport - albeit traditional Thai one. Kickboxing is its western propogated diluted child. The father and grandfather of Muay Thai is Muay Chaya and Muay Boran (Combat Arts). The Par-dada of Muay Thai is Bokator - probably one of the most ancient and lethal hand to hand arts in all Asia. To find genuine teachers and practitioners in the arts of death (rather than sport) is not easy.

Ju Jitsu is not made for the street. The street reality is multiples and weapons, Ju Jitsu does not train for these. Ju Jitsu is comparable to Pehlevani - a royal sport, it (or that from which it and Judo are derived, yes the Gracies have much Judo in their art) would have had the same status in Japan during the Shogunate rule as Pehlvaani (Persian inspired) or its pure Indian predecessor, Malla Yudha, had in royal ancient India.

Krav is very modern, and can be very energy intensive, this is not a rule for true weapons based arts (which Krav is certainly not). Krav is an ideal example of an art taught to the army and/or police. Simple, quick to learn, effective. It cannot be compared against arts which have been continuosly developed over centuries and take many years to learn. Systema is more effective against weapons because it has taken the princples of many traditional arts including weapons based arts. I know Masters that teach regular armies and special forces from wealthy kingdoms, the ability of the average soldier (who is generally drawn from a poor uneducated background) and the amount of resource (time and money) the army is prepared to put into open hand combat trainining for its soldiers, is minimal.

Weapons based arts rely on intelligent footwork, postitioning, excellent body mechanics, depeption, baiting, silent control, softness, use of total body energy rather than strength (efficiency).

As of late even Israel is finding greener grass, and have been sending their elite to learn the Asian arts in replacement of Krav. Lesser known styles of Ninjitsu (non Dr Hatsumi) are one of the favourites at the moment.

The world of martial arts is massive. The more you delve the bigger it gets. it all starts off with the McDojos and the greatly advertise/well known/popular arts, ones that have been made famous by certain movies or movie starts etc and most of all, the world of sport. It eventually ends in a plethora of systems which the owners feel no need to propogate, because the reason they were so dangerous and successfull, was because the owners kept them gupt. If asked a question, one can find the answer. If one never hears the question, there will never be a need for an answer. The reason the ancients kept their art gupt, was so the enemy would never have an answer for it in battle. That which is 'seen' and 'learnt' can be responded to. This is why nearly all traditional warrior orders across Asia, including Nihangs, have historically kept their vidya gupt.

martial arts like krav mega and ji jitsu come from traditional martial arts

they take out what doesn't work and use what does work from different martial arts and thats how modern martial arts are created

muay thai and all martial arts evolve out of other martial arts and the new martial arts are much better then traditional martial arts

this is what will end the debate the first ufc and pride and brazils vele tudo tournments had no rules fighting to see what martial arts were the best, the martial artists from ji jitsu muay thai boxing wrestling backgrounds destroyed kung fu fighters and every other martial artists

all these martial arts you said are very good arn't that effective against martial arts like muay thai and ji jitsu and this was shown in the first ufc's pride's and all the vele tudo tournments Thats why people who are experts iin combat sports laugh at these traditional martial arts that you talk about and advise to train in things like krav mega which is used by the israeli commandos everyday and these guys are some of the best soldiers in the world and thats why they advise to train in things like muay thai and boxing for street fighting and standup and for ground in ji jitsu and wrestling

be it caste discrimination or being angry cause girl married non sikh if the boss discriminated cause the guy is hiindu or different caste he's just some insecure <banned word filter activated> who is jealous cause he is constantly rejected by women

gURFATEH U do not know about the WWII US and Russian forces battle for Oikanawa Islands in Japan where the Japenese fighters with Samurai lineage fought with traditional arms againist heavily armed forces of Soviet union when regular forces exhausted amno then local fighters took field and used hit and run tactics with such success that Soviet Union lost70,000 troops and made a retreat but 4 lacs US troops surrounded the 15 islands and due to hungerand extreme troubles US troops succeeded in capuring the islands not before losing their 40.000 troops this was shown in discovery channael 3 years back and US TROOPS TOOK LARGE NO OF KHATTANA SWORDS AS MEMORY TACTICS R MORE IMPORTANT EVEN DURING VIETNAM WAR IN MANY CASES LOCAL FIGHTERS KILLED LARGE NO OF US SOLDIERS DESPITE BEING BOMBARED BY AIR FORCE AND SUFFERED LOSSES DUE TO USE OF BIOLOGICAL WEAPONS U NEED TO DEVOLEP JUST TACTICS AND DOCTRINE ALONG WITH MODERN WEAPONS IN MANY CASES TRADITINAL WEAPONS CAN BECOME LETHAL COMBINATION THIS WAS DEMOSTRATED BY SIKHS DURING WAR WITH MUGHALS ,AFGANS AND ENGLIGH.

please provide evidence to this claim cause i don't believe that they killed 70 000 troops with just swords

alot of the martial arts are effective but the most effective are muay thai boxing ji jitsu wrestling

the most effective martial arts today shown in the first ufc's and pride's and vale trudo tournments in brazil were their was no rules anything goes was ji jitsu muay thai wrestling boxing

for handling weapons id say krav mega cause its used by isreal everyday

anyone defending shastar vidya and trying to claim being a martial arts expert doesn't really know anything about martial arts

i say if your going to train in martial arts then train in the best and train hard muay thai for standup boxing for fist fighting ji jitsu and wrestling for ground and for weapons krav mega

but best martial art when dealing with being attacked with weapons is krav mega its used by the israeli commandos everyday so its put to the test in real life Plus isreal has probably the best commandos behind the green berets in my opinion

"waste ur money and Time on these . MMA is best for street fight . And i will advice u to first learn Boxing and wrestling then MMA all these chao mao looks good but are not effective"

Bhai Sahib Ji. How many martial arts have you actually learnt or fought against? How many street fights have you had, what qualifies you to make such an irresponsible and ignorant statement? It's exacly this sort of irrational teenage mentality that spoils Sikh forums and pushes away any intellgient people who actually may have something worth sharing.

If you want to see the effectieness of any of these martial arts and many many more, I would be more than happy to help you make acquaitance with practitioners.

Boxing is very good, and extremely effective on the street if one has maastered it, but how many people actually become good boxers. Look at the professional arena and your question is answered, There are actually street styles of boxing taught in the Phillipines (where modern boxing movements originate from- via the Navy that was located there during USAs short bid for dominance). The twisting ducking, uppercutting and downward attacking motions are all derived from blade fighting techniques. Prior to the Filipino US innovation in boxing, boxing was a very linear, direct fighting art (see pics of the early Jewish and Irish communities in London fighitng for respect on the streets in gentlemanly bare knuckle boutsat the turn of the last century). Boxing sadly fails against Blades for obvious reasons - but is great as an open hand style (if mastered).

MMA is a sport. Yes it can be used in the street to good effective - against one unarmed person, but the training is tuned towards one to one and rules i.e. you can't rip someone throat out, you can't burst their eyeballs, you can't snap their joints, you can't apply nerve attacks etc etc etc. What you practice is what you do. It is also not designed for multiples - largley because it encourages grappling (commitment to one person) so do the maths, what would the 2nd, 3rd person be doing whilst you are gettign the 1st in an arm bar...? Lastly, it is not designed for weapon attacks.

This takes nothing away from MMA or Boxing, both teach excellent skills like judging distance, closing the gap, speed, strength, striking/controlling methods etc etc, but the objective is rule bound. If you want to compete, then excellent, if you want to learn how to defend yourself against extreme violence, which more than likely will include smashed bottles, knives even swrods/basebal bats, then you are more likely to have more success in a combat art.

Eagle claw, Wing chun etc are battlefield skill, designed to make a quick kill or permanent disability, if learnt fully/coorectly, these arts still provide the same abilities.

Eskrima in its many forms is unique in the martial arts of the world, because it is the only one which is still applied daily on the street. Visit Phillipines and you will understand what I mean. Until very recently, death matches or live challenegs with sticks or bladeswere common place, they still happen to much lesser extent today. These arts are live/real, proven on the street (even now).

This isn't an attack on any art or any practitioner, but when talking on public forums, esp Sikh ones, people should learn to be responsible as youngters get influenced. Kindly don't compare apples with pears.

There are no rule or referees on the street. Whatever you practice is what manifests (intentions).

all these claims of what traditional martial arts can do are just claims that were proven wrong during the first ufc's and in brazil and in early days of pride when every martial art was put to the test in no rules combat and boxing muay thai brazilion ji jitsu wrestling came out on top against all these martial arts

when it comes to dealing with weapons i say carry if your worried about someone attacking you i say get your gun licence and carry cause 9 out of 10 times your not going to successfully defend against a nut with a knife who knows how to street fight, if your up against a crazy ghetto mexican and he pulls out a shank best way to defend yourself is stab him or shoot him first

good gym in birmingham

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0DmWEuGTUA[media]

http://www.sherdog.net/forums/f44/kung-fu-vs-mma-341794/

serious martial arts fanatics in this chatroom i say best place on the net to read up on whats best to learn

everything said about shastar vidya is a lie, watching those videos its a waste of time

maharaj or what ever your name is i call bs on your so called martial arts training and claims, you clearly have zero understanding of martial arts

when it comes to jkd or wing chun or eagle claw i say you watch the first ufc videos from 93 to 95 and the old pride videos and many videos from brazil, these traditional martial arts are great in movies but don't work that well in real life against muay thai and boxing and wrestling

how long have you guys bin training in it for

VANCOUVER - After more than a decade on the run, Vancouver police announced Tuesday they have arrested the man wanted for the 1999 murder of 18-year-old Poonam Randhawa.

Ninderjit Singh, 33, was arrested by U.S. authorities Aug. 19 in Riverside County, Calif., where he was working as a long-haul truck driver.

Randhawa, an honour-roll high school student, was shot dead in Vancouver on Jan. 26, 1999, just two days after her birthday.

Police said Tuesday that Singh had a history of stalking Randhawa prior to her murder.

Following her murder, he fled the country.

“Today I get to make an announcement from this podium and I can’t remember when any announcement has ever given me this much pleasure,” Vancouver Police Deputy Chief Warren Lemcke said.

“We got him.”

It was reported on the day of her murder, Randhawa left her school during lunch hour and was sitting in her vehicle with friends at a stop sign when Singh rapped on her window and asked to speak to her privately.

She reportedly asked her friends to drive her vehicle back to the school so that she could give Singh a final warning to leave her alone.

She then climbed into the back seat of his vehicle, with his friend at the wheel.

Her body was later discovered in an alley.

Police issued a warrant for Singh’s arrest three days later, but they then learned he had already jumped on a plane bound for Los Angeles, Calif., where he had family.

“(Poonam’s) murder would launch one of the longest police hunts in the VPD’s history,” Lemcke said.

Singh was featured on the TV show America's Most Wanted, but escaped capture on at least one occasion.

Then some light was finally shed on the case several weeks ago.

“VPD investigators became aware of a name that Ninderjit Singh possibly assumed as his false identity," Vancouver Insp. Brad Desmarais said.

They located Singh on Friday, but investigators said his appearance had changed so much it was hard to confirm his identity.

"Today, he looks nothing like the photo seen in local media reports (in 1999)," Desmarais said.

Singh had ballooned up to 300 lbs, grew a beard and occasionally wore a turban.

Using California Highway Patrol officers, investigators had Singh’s truck pulled over, issued him a traffic ticket, and obtained his thumbprints to verify his identity.

That same day, Singh’s identity was confirmed and he was arrested leaving his house with his wife and their two young children.

“He immediately confirmed his real identity and stated that he was aware he was wanted for murder in Canada,” Desmarais said.

Singh’s wife was interviewed and told investigators that she did not know his real name or that he was wanted for murder.

Desmarais told members of the media that Randhawa’s family is “relieved” about Singh’s arrest, but they are still “in state of grief” following their daughter’s death, which was just two years after they lost their son to illness.

Singh is currently in custody in Los Angeles awaiting extradition to Canada

can't blame religion its the people who are at fault should we blame sikhi for drug addiction in punjab

What was wrong with the documentry she made havn't seen it but what did she say in it

why not just educate sikh girls on their sikhi and lets face it most punjabi family's want a boy so they neglect the girl so the girl wants attention and she dresses the way she does to get that attention

why not just educate sikh girls how important they are and what important role they played in history

and teach guys to treat other sikh girls as their sisters and respect them

Why dont you start this seva of hardcore military training in Punjab - you sound very passionate about it and im sure you will get more than 35 000 sikhs to join - This is an ideal chance for you to back the talk with the walk.

im actually going to be joining the marines this year and want become a green beret after 3 years in the marines

my goald is to inspire other sikhs to join the army and try brining it up with many ppl as to what would inspire sikhs into the army

also i started a thread on sikhsangat http://www.sikhsangat.com/index.php?/topic/61996-reasons-as-to-why-im-joining-the-army-and-would-like-to-see-more-singhs-join/ to listen to other sikhs from other parts of the world online why arn't more sikhs joining the army and curious what would motivate them to jump

satgyanpujari here's another way your applying shastar vidya compete while cisco singh says shastar vidya students don't compete you said if anyone beats niddar singh they can become the new ustad amongst the students, you make it sound like many challengers have challenged niddar singh to competition and bin defeated

yubacitysingh

You haven't answered my scenario.

Here it is again incase you have missed it.

You are walking, you are shouted from across the road by some racist thugs. They are challenging you to a fight. You are smart, you will walk away because you see there are 6 of them and you are only 1. Some others walking, see the commotion and they decide to assist you in fighting these racist thugs.

What do you do?

Can you answer? with your knowledge of boxing and other martial arts.

im guessing the answer to this question is avoid fighting at all costs unless you tried everything to avoid fighting and still are attacked, dude i would here this from teachers tv comercials in the movies i don't understand what your point was everyone has heard this me personally id mouth them back and let is escalate cause ill lhave my dignity

sikhs lost and faced genocide in the 80's 90's cause lack of training and soldiers

jews after the holocaust started learing how to be soldiers when israel was created and learned to be soldiers to drive out the enemy from israel

why havn't sikhs learned

imagine if 35 000 sikhs were trained like this how much closer sikhs would be to takign control of punjab