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Depends, how maharaj ji classfies joons. Would a bird/bug be considered a separate joon with only minor physical differences?

Too clairify, spiecies does not necessarily mean joons.

Waheguru

To be fair, the diamond does not belong to anyone. It was originally found in India. It stayed with the Mughals, Iranians, Afghans, Sikhs and now with the British.

I am not first and last, there are many and there will be many. Mahapurash, I hate this term, they talk anything and say we gained this knowledge from meditation. You are a sikh, you should know this first" Pehlan shabad veechar". Do veechar and then write. Don't bring up mahapurash type of stuff.

This is not comman thing which will go unnoticed and not documented.

Chaupai : When the Singhs received such a decree from the Guru,

They massacred and burnt alive all the masands.

Some were slaughtered; some were buried alive in walls,

Still others were dragged and roasted in cauldrons of boiling oil. (16)

If you read Bhai Kanihya's sakhi then this masand story is fake. If corrupt man's life is at risk, he will just beg for life and if he beg's in front of Sarvanshdaani, you know what the answer is. Have open mind and think.

I know that, you know that, but prior to Gurgadi, Guru ji was called as Aad Granth. If you are historian then you should know that and write according to that. Secondly no other written source has been brought up to support this. We are not talking about simple execution.

Chaupai : When the Singhs received such a decree from the Guru,

They massacred and burnt alive all the masands.

Some were slaughtered; some were buried alive in walls,

Still others were dragged and roasted in cauldrons of boiling oil. (16)

If this kind of execution have been ordered by Guru ji then people who were against sikhs might have written so much about Guru ji. It is brutal so and so. But there seems to be no other version then Pracheen Pant Prakash and not even anti-sikhs writter of that time, particulary of Guru ji's time. No sikh writer or no other writer of Guru ji's time talks about it. Don't have blind faith, just first cross-check the whole story. If there is writting of this incident by historian with evidence of that time bring it up. No katha.

Even still how could the same Guru kill people in such a burtal way? The same Guru who had gold on his arrows so the enemy who was shot could get treatment.

I guess harnaaksh shouldnt have been killed by narsing either.....

Waheguru

Sikhi will never end. The Panth will recover and chardi kala will come. Khalsa is destined to rule the world. Those who do bad deeds will suffer and bring their own end but this cannot destroy the Panth.

Simple answer is yes waheguru.

Here is amazing site with loads of audio books- http://www.mahapurakh.com/ , singhs in canada did amazing seva..i cannot even fathom how much hard work was put fwd to bring audio books and digitized each and every page of pustuk/books of mahapursh jeevani and gurmat, some such as original gurmukh parkash, close to 700 pages long...Vahiguroo..they say biggest seva one can do to make upma/prem of vahiguroo and bhagti/sacrifice tales of vahiguroo bhagaavailable for all sangat to take laha..!!!

dear moderators, you have the right to put members under moderation but why don't you give them a chance to explain their point? judgements should come after hearing..... or not?

Please add that fraud lady from vision tv who gives "gurbani vidiya" , dont know her name.

Its just to make clear, if you use Dev with Guru Nanak Sahib ji, then u should also say Guru Teg Bahadur Dev, that u don't.

Guru Granth Sahib is our Guru-Dev, why not call Guru Granth Dev..

Sahib is word used for Akal purakh. ਗੁਰੁ ਪਰਮੇਸਰੁ ਏਕੋ ਜਾਣੁ So my dear Guru Nanak Sahib, Guru Teg Bahadur Sahib, Guru Granth Sahib. One more thing to add, Singh Sahib word is used for Guru Gobind Singh Sahib only, if u call anybody Singh Sahib u should correct it.

Lol. Guru Nanak Sahib was also missionary, missionary of Shabad Guru. :respect:

Dhan Dhan Sri Guru Nanak Dev Maharaj ji

Waheguru

Missonary paranoia is amazing lol waheguru

Yes, many people were requested to take amrit again. Please just go pesh, and ask the punj. Waheguru

I got this answer while surfing Internet -

Guru Gobind Singh Ji's exact height was 5 feet, 4 point two inches.

It is a well established fact of history that Guru Gobind Singh ji was not very tall, but he had extraordinary , superhuman, strength, stamina and wisdom.

He usually breathed after one minute and he could weild two swords so swiftly that no arrow could strike his body while he weilded the swords.- Amazing

Guru ji wrote 1435 pages of gurbani in Dasam Granth, which is almost equal in size to 1428 pages of guru granth sahib. Although Guru Gobind Singh only lived until the age of 42 years, he produced more bani than all the 9 gurus combined produced in 9 lives.

Guru ji had long arms, thats true.

Ranjit Singh ruled from 1801 to 1839. Guru ji died in 1708.

According to you the witness to Guru ji's height was 100+ years old, which means he had barely born when Guru ji died in 1708. .

Considering that the witness was summoned by Ranjit Singh immediately after his emprorship cerimony, in 1801, the witness would be only 1 year old in 1702 and perhaps only 7 year old at Guru ji's death. At this age a child does not even remember his own height and everyone looks tall to child because the child is short at this age.

For this reason, the Testimony of a child in the matters of measurements is not reliable in courts.

However if Ranjit Singh summoned this witness after 5 years of his emperorship,that is, in 1806, then the witness was only 2 years old at the death of guru ji in 1708. It is impossible for a 2 years old child to gauge heights or even remember if in fact he could measure.

Nearly at the end 2.05.55

http://www.gurmatveechar.com/audios/Katha/03_Katha_with_Dharna/Sant_Waryam_Singh_%28Ratwara_Sahib_wale%29/1017--Sant.Waryam.Singh.%28Ratwara.Sahib.wale%29--Saach.Kaho.Sun.Leh.Sabhe.Jin.Prem.Kiyo.Tin.Hi.%282000-10-02%29.mp3

Veerji you have misinterperted his katha, may explain later when i get a chance.

http://m.youtube.com/index?&desktop_uri=%2F#/watch?v=xNaUdYfUWXA

Bro, the points you made could be copied and pasted onto a Hindu forum, in support of murti pooja.

It says in the Bible not to make statues of gold and worship them. Catholics do it anyways.

There are no letters in english that get the correct sounds.

He is pricey though

Sarcasm at its finest, i hope people catch the point of this thread. Waheguru

Veerji, please be aware of those that want you to stop posting may be the ones who are behind the articles in the first place.. I thought personally it was a great seva, and think you should continue, waheguru.

BEFORE CLOSING THE THREAD, PLEASE JUST READ ALL OF THE FOLLOWING:

You guys all fell into the trap.

This lady in the original video is very much connected/close to Missionary/Kala-Afghana type groups/people.

Their whole mission is to get people divided and arguing/fighting/insulting one another.

They keep on bringing up the most controversial topics and preaching their own thoughts about it time and time again.

There was nothing controversial for many many years before Kala-Afghana, Ghagga and Dilgeer turned their backs on the Panth.

Before them, there was nothing controversial before Bhasaur and Singh Sabha.

Why is everything controversial have one of their parchaaraks or members or affiliates involved?

OPEN YOUR EYES AND BRAINS.

Nihungs, Taksal, AKJ, Nanaksar, etc ALL RESPECT Dasam Granth and (hopefully) Sarbloh Granth as Guru Gobind Singh Jee's Bani.

It's only the missionaries/kala-afghana type groups who have a problem with those Granths.

So, in order to advance their agenda, they need to create some further divisions.

So what do they do?

They know that Taksal, AKJ, Nanaksar and many other groups are against meat.

They know that some Nihungs are against meat in some ways and that some Nihungs support meat in some ways.

So to weaken the strength of Dasam Granth/Sarbloh Granth support.....what do they do?

They start preaching their version of Sikhi and Meat in order to get reaction from all Panthic groups, individuals, etc.

And when everyone voices their reaction, people will end up arguing, having their feelings hurt, putting eachother down, etc, which in turn leads to disagreements, hard feelings and divisions.

If you don't believe me, this whole thread/topic is proof before your eyes. Go back, read every single comment in this thread and see how it all unfolded.

WAKE UP.

Will you ship to Canada veerji, i may be interested.