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3rd link is posted on sep 10th 2010

Yup your right. Still, they all are from the same author, just copy/paste I believe, hard to tell from my phone. Do they say of source such as Suraj Prakash Granth etc. Need someone to clarify, would appreciate it.

http://tuhitu.blogspot.co.uk/2012/03/sakhi-series-182-bhai-kirtiya-ji.html

http://www.sikhnet.com/news/bhai-kirtiya-ji

http://punjabijanta.com/religion-faith-spirituality/the-liberated-dancing-bear/

its definitly bhai gurdas

Almost certain it isnt Bhai Gurdas Ji, but another Sikh. Notice how all the dates are from March 13 , 2012 onwards...... Heard this Sakhi many time before, but almost 99% sure it wasnt Bhai Gurdas Ji.

Waheguru Ji ka Khalsa, Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh

Sangat ji, almost 100% positive this Sakhi isnt about Bhai Gurdas ji, was another Sikh I believe whose father it was. Could someone else please clarify farther, thanks. Phul chuk maaf.

Massive 8.2 aftershock, same area. Waheguru.

http://www.expertboxing.com/boxing-diet/common-sense-boxing-diet

Very good article, very accurate. Obviously ignore the meat part.

Very disrespectful article.

if that question is directed at me, what happened after that incident is quite irrelevant even if it had some positive impact of some sort. Now that sounds absolutely and highly arrogant but actually it is not, because gurmat makes us think of the far better and higher outcomes of our actions once we conduct them according to Guru's sikhiya, not our manmat! Sikhi helps our minds to purvey the unlimited probabilities and possibilities that open up before us when things are done Guru's way, not our way. It makes us realise that whatever we achieved doing things our way is peanuts compared to the results had we done them Guru's way.

.Why do we have a hard time understanding that he was a Buddhist, and he stayed true to his dharm? Just a question, do you believe only Sikhs can attain Atam Gyan?

Just kind of not liking how loosely the "Braham Gyani" is used now days. He may have been a Braham Gyani, or he may have not been, who are we to say? Also its COMPLETELY wrong to call his sacrafice cowardly/suicide in any sense. If it would be acceptable in Sikhi, is debatable, but kind of a useless debate since he was buddhist. He stuck with his dharm, kudos to him, it is inspiring for the world either way, in a world where the majority is lacking dharm.

Just kind

I let other judge from my discussions with you, who took who out of context, who twisted whose post- speaking strictly for this topic- my assertions in this topic that- you are twisting sant jarnail singh bhindranwale, i didn't mean you were twisting him from the videos you posted or what he said in those videos. I meant you are twisting sant ji for bringing the discussion between swami and sant ji in this discussion at the first place as its irrelevant to the topic at hand, where as this topic related to self sacrifice, related to buddhist bhramgyani who didn't cry as swami suggested he would do but he "self sacrificed" himself in smadhi without moving an inch. But for whatever reason when you infused discussion of sant jarnail singh ji with that swami then i decided to provide reference of bhai gurmukh singh aurdesa self sacrifice incident ( highly respected by taksali mahapursh and quoted all the time by jathedar of taksal, sant jarnail singh in katha) so it supersedes whatever you are trying to prove that somehow self sacrifice its against gurmat.

Just wondering , how can we call the Buddhist a Braham Gyani, thats a very big judgement to make.

Thats bullocks. I am not sure why it was locked..it was certainly *NOT* locked because it was somehow against gurmat as posts shown in that thread shown otherwise. Stop making sikhsangat into "talibanstic" forum.. sikhi isn't black and white, if you beleive in black and white soo much, you might as well move to afghanistan and join the taliban.

. Agree, Sikhi isnt all black and white but alot of it is.

I'm not sure we are to judge anything from that video. Also not sure why we Singho are so happy to see random cop get beatup, come on, we are better then that.

@ OnlyFive Ji - I will hold you to your desire for positivity even in the face of insurmountable facts! :biggrin2:

Ideals are exactly that --- ideal. If positivity was all that is required there'd be a Khanda flag flying over the Red Fort in Delhi as we speak. Heck, I don't even think true Sikhs are in control of Sikh religious institutions --- that's the kind of trouble we're in.

The fact that we aren't even entirely sure of the motives of our current religious leadership tells us we are a fractured, directionless people and no amount of positive thinking will change that UNTIL something active is done to modify our circumstances.

Your "selling" of Sikhi to white folk seems to be different to how you wish those of Panjabi heritage should follow the faith. Why not talk of the absolutely non-negotiable matter of keeping kesh, or why other faiths do not contain the essential Truth that Sikhi does and therefore are inferior but of course NOT false?

These are just two issues you've vehemently commented on in the past, yet in your recent conversations with "goreh" you neglect to mention these two absolute key cornerstones of Sikhi and instead you talk about "healthy lifestyles" amongst other things? :biggrin2: Once you start telling a "gorah" he won't be accepted into the Realm of Truth unless he is a Sikh, he'll think we're like the other bearded and turbanned nutters who are running rough-shod over the world. Is that why you kept that vital bit of information from him, so he doesn't equate us to those Muslims who say Heaven is only for Muslims?

Remember, be nice! We can still have a debate and a disagreement without being nasty to one another!

There is a difference between telling someone the basic cornerstones of sikhi and describing the what all Sikhs should be striving to be. Many of the things of a perfect Gursikh are black and white, that's what I think he was trying to explain before. The discussions before were for a higher grade if you will. If you try explaining Calculus to a 1st grade student, he is going to run, you have to start with the basics so he can comprehend the more advanced stuff. Same thing with Sikhi when explaining to someone new, you have to start with the very basics, for them to understand the Kesh, the Rehit, and alot of it is very black and white. If you go straight to the more complex stuff, they are going to run.

If someone can post the banned version of the internet, it would be a great seva, the revised version is useless.

ok its bad to slander and i agree with the post HDSH posted but to call someone somthin thatthey r is that bad . so ifa bad word is somebody we cant call them that . what will u call indira gandhi can any please use a word to describe her that is not bad . if u cant . then u are wrong . im not a brym giani thati will not swear . r u ?

She was a dushman of the panth a foul, evil, and deluded person. Probably in some narak right now. You do not need to be a Braham Giani to not use foul language.

how refreshing to read a well balanced and even minded discussion..

sorry to go off subject (i only replied to keep the subject high up discussion page)

hope the ill-disciplined and restraint lacking penji's/paaji's fight the urge to chuck there "talibanesque" ideology on here

Describe "talibanesque" please.

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Poster Kaal is mostly right, the only thing i want ask him has he reached those levels he talks about, or are you just passing on information you have learnt.

Irrelevant wouldn't you say?

y r u in favor of the original poster can u explain

. How is using bad language and swear words a part of Sikhi? Completly against it.

I'm gonna advise you to do two things;

1. Read the whole of Guru Granth Sahib Jee, Bhai Gurdas Jee's Vaaran and Dasam Granth to understand the meaning of

reality and Truth.

2. Jap more Naam and recite more Gurbani than you are currently doing. Remember that Naam gives you the

experiences not Gurbani, gurbani just helps the Naam. Naam makes you experience reality through various ways.

I'll explain a bit to you -

Firstly, how can someone prove the existence of something/someone spiritual through worldly materialistic ways.

Secondly, it is lowly and ignorant to assume intelligence is limited to this human body and world.

Thirdly, the strongest forces in Kalyug (dark age) are Illusion (Maya), doubt, duality, ego and hate. This world which everyone assumes to be real is an illusion.

nwnk kil kw eyhu prvwxu ]

naanak kal kaa eaehu paravaan ||

O Nanak, this is the sign of the Dark Age of Kali Yuga;

Awpy AwKxu Awpy jwxu ]1]

aapae aakhan aapae jaan ||1||

everyone says that he himself knows. ||1||

To Mat Pulo Rai -

Guru Sahib is the same as Vaheguru so he does not need to ask what action to take. The jyot that was within Guru Sahib's human body when he walked the earth is Vaheguru. Bhai Gurdas Jee explains this in his Vaaran where he states there is only a difference between the Gurmukhs and Guru Sahib; Guru Sahib is 101 perfect as he is the same as Vaheguru so sits on the same throne while the Gurmukh will always be 100 perfect.

. Bolded part is false.... In the sense that you say japing naam and reciting Gurbani are different. Very wrong in the fact that Gurbani doesnt give you expierences.

Disagree with some of it, but principle message is the same.

An atheist professor of philosophy speaks to his class on the problem science has with God, The Almighty.

He asks one of his new students to stand and .....

Prof: So you believe in God?

Student: Absolutely, sir.

Prof: Is God good?

Student: Sure.

Prof: Is God all-powerful?

Student: Yes.

Prof: My brother died of cancer even though he prayed to God to heal him. Most of us would attempt to help others who are ill. But God didn't. How is this God good then? Hmm? (Student is silent.)

Prof: You can't answer, can you? Let's start again, young fellow. Is God good?

Student: Yes.

Prof: Is Satan good?

Student: No.

Prof: Where does Satan come from?

Student: From...God...

Prof: That's right. Tell me son, is there evil in this world?

Student: Yes.

Prof: Evil is everywhere, isn't it? And God did make everything. Correct?

Student: Yes.

Prof: So who created evil?

Student does not answer.

Prof: Is there sickness? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness? All these terrible things exist in the world, don't they?

Student: Yes, sir.

Prof: So, who created them?

Student has no answer.

Prof: Science says you have 5 senses you use to identify and observe the world around you. Tell me, son...Have you ever seen God?

Student: No, sir.

Prof: Tell us if you have ever heard your God?

Student: No, sir.

Prof: Have you ever felt your God, tasted your God, smelt your God? Have you ever had any sensory perception of God for that matter?

Student: No, sir. I'm afraid I haven't.

Prof: Yet you still believe in Him?

Student: Yes.

Prof: According to empirical, testable, demonstrable protocol, science says your GOD doesn't exist. What do you say to that, son?

Student: Nothing. I only have my faith.

Prof: Yes. Faith. And that is the problem science has.

Student: Professor, is there such a thing as heat?

Prof: Yes.

Student: And is there such a thing as cold?

Prof: Yes.

Student: No sir. There isn't.

(The lecture theatre becomes very quiet with this turn of events.)

Student: Sir, you can have lots of heat, even more heat, superheat, mega heat, white heat, a little heat or no heat. But we don't have anything called cold. We can hit 458 degrees below zero which is no heat, but we can't go any further after that. There is no such thing as cold. Cold is only a

word we use to describe the absence of heat. We cannot measure cold. Heat is energy. Cold is not the opposite of heat, sir, just the absence of it.

(There is pin-drop silence in the lecture theatre.)

Student: What about darkness, Professor? Is there such a thing as darkness?

Prof: Yes. What is night if there isn't darkness?

Student: You're wrong again, sir. Darkness is the absence of something. You can have low light, normal light, bright light, flashing light....But if you have no light constantly, you have nothing and it's called darkness, isn't it? In reality, darkness isn't. If it were you would be able to make darkness darker, wouldn't you?

Prof: So what is the point you are making, young man?

Student: Sir, my point is your philosophical premise is flawed.

Prof: Flawed? Can you explain how?

Student: Sir, you are working on the premise of duality. You argue there is life and then there is death, a good God and a bad God. You are viewing the concept of God as something finite, something we can measure. Sir, science can't even explain a thought. It uses electricity and magnetism, but has never seen, much less fully understood either one.

To view death as the opposite of life is to be ignorant of the fact that death cannot exist as a substantive thing. Death is not the opposite of life: just the absence of it. Now tell me, Professor. Do you teach your students that they evolved from a monkey?

Prof: If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process, yes, of course, I do.

Student: Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir? (The Professor shakes his head with a smile, beginning to realize where the argument is going.)

Student: Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at work and cannot even prove that this process is an on-going endeavor, are you not teaching your opinion, sir? Are you not a scientist but a preacher? (The class is in uproar.)

Student: Is there anyone in the class who has ever seen the Professor's brain? (The class breaks out into laughter.)

Student: Is there anyone here who has ever heard the Professor's brain, felt it, touched or smelt it? No one appears to have done so. So, according to the established rules of empirical, stable, demonstrable protocol, science says that you have no brain, sir. With all due respect, sir, how do we then trust your lectures, sir?

(The room is silent. The professor stares at the student, his face unfathomable.)

Prof: I guess you'll have to take them on faith, son.

Student: That is it sir... The link between man & god is FAITH. That

is all that keeps things moving & alive.

Waheguru

Waheguru

Talk about martial arts worth learning and not joke martial arts like shaster vidya

Sure is your expert opinion. Guess peopIe like being ignorant. Done with this topic.