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Fateh!

So recently I found out my parents have been calling a "baba" in India. When I confronted them about it and asked whether he was practicing Sikh I was told he was not but he wore a he's given them roof and tells them to put water out to the sun etc! In my previous posts I wrote how I have so much live for Maharaaj and with his blessings I have kept my Kesh!

I really do to ow what to do, I'm pretty sure that other than Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaaj we shouldn't go to any human?

Help?

Fateh!

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Good on you to stick to your faith. It is sad that your parents are following a baba.

When you are following Guru Granth Sahib, you will never ever follow any human.

Keep following the path shown by our Eternal Guru and you will never go wrong.

We were given the concept of Miri and Piri way back in 1606 by Guru Hargobind Sahib ji.

Miri: This word has come from the Persian word “miri”, which itself comes from the Arabic “Amir”. The word "Amir" (which is pronounced as "a-MEER") literary means commander, governor, lord, prince, ruler, chieftain, etc. and signifies temporal power or material power. The concept of Miri signifies worldly, materialist and political power. The concept is linked to the traditional power enjoyed by kings and ruler where the might of the military resulted in the power and ability to rule or influence the people.

Piri: This word has again come from the Persian word “pir” which literary means saint, holy man, spiritual guide, senior man, head of a religious order and stands for spiritual authority. The concept of "Piri" is linked to the power enjoyed by religious leaders, church priests, qazis, pandits, etc. to have power or influence over the devotees by way of "spiritual power" or religious power. The words miri and piri are now frequently used together to give the concept promoted by the sixth Guru.

I have not seen many Sikh leaders after our Gurus who have followed this concept to rule in Punjab, India

or elsewhere for that matter. If you can think of such Sikh leaders who you think did this, please make the Sangat aware of them.

And what are the reasons that even today Spiritual Sikhs are not willing to join politics and take leadership roles.

hahaha. And maybe you will find the truth about me being an RSS agent and find enough evidence to prosecute me for that as well. You are so totally in love with yourself and your unquestionable authority... Have you ever applied for the job of being an admin on this site or something like that? I think you would make an excellent sheriff in the internet Sikh police force!

LOL. And you think I need advice from your highness. I am not into any prosecution. I am against any silly jokes about Sikhs and Sikhism. I am against any nonsense against our proud history and heritage. I am against the fools who are our so called leaders and maligning the fair name of Sikhism. I am all for all power to the Sikhs who are truthful, spiritual and all willing to join politics to lead the Sikhs and the whole world.

Well clearly you dont have any powers of self reflection and are completely unable to see how you may have caused offence. Unfortunately, I am not surprised as I have met lots of people like yourself who see themselves as high and mighty and look down on others and jump on them if they try to have a bit of a joke. You enjoy the role of being everyones baba/bebe and correcting everybody like some kind of supreme authority.

Well one thing I have learnt about you, is that you are to be avoided, in the same way that I avoid other people like you. I will save my 'jokes' for less uptight and self-righteous people.

But I will not avoid your empty and insulting writings and will make sure others are made aware of your hollow and illogical views.

The best answer that fits your question is. We were seduced by the Hindu Bharamin, then the British Sharab for hundreds of years and beyond. It is so easy to be evil but to take care of your good is not easy to maintain. Modern Day off springs of the Bharmins is all the sants after 1978. Wheather they Play Dhadria or you give people to drink tea or you claim to be Guru Gobind Singhs jees Takasal. The modern day British drunks are the SGPC, SAD, and etc There is a saying One day all the traitors of the panth will come in the open. I have seen these people arise since 1984 I wonder when will they disappear. How much Kirtan, Paath, and Naam Jaap do we have to do to rid of these traitors. How many more Bin Ladens the Indian Governments are going to install in the Darbar Sahib who make fools out of people. Foundations of Khalistan can only be laid when the people become true GurSikhs and only then the declarations of Khalisatan will take place at the Akhal Takhat after no more SAD people in the punjab.A true Gursikh will never become involved in politics. Politics is against keeping your Gurmat.Politics makes you do things against SIkhi,

Please go and have some lessons in Sikhism.Here is one for you.

The concept of "Miri Piri" was highlighted by the sixth Sikh Guru, Guru Hargobind when he was throned Guru on 11 June 1606. At the Guruship (succession) ceremony the Guru asked for two kirpans to be donned on him; one to symbolize the concept of Miri or temporal authority and the second to symbolize the concept of Piri or spiritual authority. The wearing of two swords was a departure from previous Guruship tradition when only the "salli" (for spiritual power) was worn by the preceding Gurus.

For many years now, the Sikh community worldwide have honoured the sixth Guru's vision of Miri and Piri and have celebrated this vision on 21 July every year by calling this day the - Miri Piri Divas or the Miri Piri Day.

What do these words mean?

Miri: This word has come from the Persian word “miri”, which itself comes from the Arabic “Amir”. The word "Amir" (which is pronounced as "a-MEER") literary means commander, governor, lord, prince, ruler, chieftain, etc. and signifies temporal power or material power. The concept of Miri signifies worldly, materialist and political power. The concept is linked to the traditional power enjoyed by kings and ruler where the might of the military resulted in the power and ability to rule or influence the people.

Piri: This word has again come from the Persian word “pir” which literary means saint, holy man, spiritual guide, senior man, head of a religious order and stands for spiritual authority. The concept of "Piri" is linked to the power enjoyed by religious leaders, church priests, qazis, pandits, etc. to have power or influence over the devotees by way of "spiritual power" or religious power. The words miri and piri are now frequently used together to give the concept promoted by the sixth Guru.

http://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Miri_Piri

The biggest problem facing Sikh leadership is that the Spiritual Sikhs do not want to govern. And because of this, people like Badal have a free reign because there is no Spiritually powerful Sikh who understands both Miri and Piri to challenge them.

Well you yourself have been less than respectful with your own insults and attacks. Perhaps you yourself need to come off your high horse and treat other people how you would like to be treated yourself. Do you find your beliefs being challenged as scary? That could be the only reason that you could consider alternative views being expressed as scare mongering.

Instead of just talking empty as you are so used to, give me one example where I have been insulting or attacking. Do grow up and try to think before putting your thoughts to paper. How can any challenges to my beliefs be scary to me or anyone else for that matter? Your sick sense of humour where you can insult anyone for his colour or the grasp of the English language shows your immaturity and then you start whining that you can joke . LISTEN TO THIS ADVICE ," IT IS ALWAYS BETTER TO LAUGH WITH OTHERS THAN AT OTHERS."

The amount of mistrust and paranoia on here is frightening, and I can imagine how someone of a less stringent disposition would turn their back on this forum (and possibly the faith) after encountering a churlish and short response to what may have been a very honest and innocent question. That's another Sikh turned away from the potential path he or she could've walked.

Of course I'm not naive enough to think people make their life decisions on what they read on the internet, but in this modern world where people are sometimes disconnected from the real world and the only concept of sangat they have are the faceless people they encounter online it is a sad state of affairs when something like the aforementioned occurs.

Tolerance and respect is key in my opinion. I believe how you treat and address people online is a reflection on how you behave in real life. Obviously there's caveats and we have a bad day and this sometimes bleeds over into our online persona. Lord knows I've checked my behaviour at times when I felt I deviated from what I consider to be my true character. I've actually gone on to reflect on my personality & my behaviour and whether it was me who had the problem and not somebody else.

The biggest issue I see here is generalization of one's opinions and lot of scaremongering if another poster has different views from oneself. People walking away from the path on reading discussions. So you see what I mean. This is scaremongering.

Then we have other posters who love to provoke others with outrageous comments. And to make it worse, then fall down to make personal attacks if they are countered.

So let us try to learn from our mistakes and become more mature in discussing issues which are so important for all of us.

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Can you concentrate on learning about your own religion as you had stated earlier.

Consider yourself lucky to be born into the best religion in this world, Sikhism.

Do not waste your energy on useless questions.

Sorry bhenji,

I dont speak Gujerati I'm afraid...

On that night, I wish you and all the rest of the Sikhsangat Panth a happy goodnight.

Always a pleasure.

Night xxx

I meant note *

Just for you sister

The translation is

I will never improve

Yes because everything on this site in inline with gurmat!

Just read some of the other posts in this forum from amritdhari singhs / kaurs full of hate. BTW why are you a naught boy in quality control?

I have no hatred for you. I have just requested to open your mind, realise your mistakes

and become a Sikh again. Do not say, I cannot even contemplate being a Sikh.

Be proud of your heritage.

Well you should treat people how you want to be treated then. If you speak to me respectfully, then I'll reply respectfully.

Just a normal response from someone who hasjust one motto in life

HUM NAHIIN SUTHREENGE.

I've learnt a lot from this site not this thread. I need to be a good huma being first before even contemplating being a sikh (the pinaccle).

So you are at the wrong place. You still cannot even contemplate being a Sikh after being on this site for so long.

Well since your the nutjob robot, I am surprised and actually quite impressed that you know what a debate is. Congratulations. I dont have too many problems at the moment but I will be sure to sort them out. Thank your for showing your concern.

So perhaps you will understand how to debate one day. Well I cannot see that happening because

you just cannot stop making personal jibes.

I have just that dharam, should not be disregarded but should be given the highest level of importance. However the problem with you people is that you have turned this into the usual dharam verus scholars debate. How many times do I need to say that I believe that both are important and both have their place.

Back to your dramas, eh? Just sort out your own problems and stop making personal attacks. This is a debate

which you keep forgetting or is it something else?

I hope there is a genuinely happy and fertile middle ground whereby both Gurmat and education (and related schools of thought) can co-exist, and most importantly, doesn't mean you've compromised Sikhi in order to progress in life.

Sikhism has and always will encourage the quest of knowledge because that is what our religion

is all about. Being a Sikh means being a learner for life.

No doubt general education is very important to learn and much can be learned from it. I'm a university student, if i was against general education...then i wouldn't pay thousands of dollars to be there in the first place.

It's just the secular individuals want to paint the people that see the world from Gurmat as ignorant, cavement, with spears. And the irony is that they are actual cavemen, with spears. Just now they have razor blades and needles....LOL

I do not think they will understand these points of Gurmat. Well we still have to keep on trying.

And in the end, we will win because truth always prevails.

I'm pretty certain that Satguru doesnt discourage this kind of thinking. After all, if we all agreed with your view point, we would all be living in caves, wearing nothing and throwing spears. I can appreciate that 'worldly knowledge' is of no importance to you and that it is not really your thing. I havent got a problem with that. However, attempting to stop progress by not allowing people who want to think creatively to do their thing is just downright ridiculous. Everyone has their place and role within the panth... we need parchariks, soldiers, sewadars, politicans, thinkers, doctors... we need everybody. Like I said, if you yourself prefer to just do your paath and focus inwardly on your jeevan, then I give you props. However, if you think that this is all that is required for the panth, and broadly speaking for the rest of the world to survive, then I would say that you are pretty deluded.

Now would not it be better to just stick to the debate and stop being melodramatic. Where does living in the caves etc. come from?

Gurmat never preaches that. Gurmat is the light which shows us the way through life.

Guru Sahibs always encouraged us to excel in everything. They instilled confidence and

fearlessness in a morally dead and frightened population. They gave the Sikhs the courage to

fight injustice when rest of the crowd just bowed down to the atrocities of the tyrants.

This is the objectivity which you and your so called non Sikh intellectuals should be aware of.

Letme break it down -Its not about arguing with moorakhs its about having a conversation, some of us have not been lucky enough to been raised Sikh. WE WANT to learn, and learn with things that make sense. NO hocus pocus ritual stuff

Meaning we want to learn the facts not made up stuff some people tell us an expect us to believe without any explanation or the reason as to why.

I know a lot of people my age 30+ have no interst in faith I want to learn, so if someone llike me posses a question is not nice to make the person feel small and say don't talk to ignorant people. Atleaset back yourself up.

Please just provide an answer or kindly direct us in the right way. Instead of name calling. Imagine if no one taught you would you also want to learn of your own back or continue to live in ignorance.

So has your question been answered or not? Are you now coming back to the fold and stop being a mona? Have you got the right direction? Have you had the time to read the answers on this thread and learnt something?

Well then according to your definition, there are no Sikhs on this planet, or very very few in number. And that most likely means that you and I are not Sikhs either doesnt it?

And I have read your version of history in your post. Frankly, it is a comic book version that they teach kids in Punjabi school. Personally, I like to study history in a bit more depth and try and draw analysis from it regarding how it might be relevant in modern times.

If that is a comic book version of history, what are you own indepth views then? And what have you learnt that makes you consider our history comical? Please do enlighten the readers here with your serious knowledge.

Ok.... well the specifics depend on which baba you follow. I dont want to offend anyones baba so I wont go there.

Maybe your baba. I don't believe in any.

Alot of Sikhs, and alot of Indians for that matter seem to believe that a great spiritual leader will come to Earth and save them and solve all of their problems. From my understanding this is actually contrary to Sikh teachings anyway. Guru Gobind Singh ji saw the Kirpan (sword) to be the greatest of miracles as it was a symbol of direct action by which an individual or nation can determine its own destiny.

Can you please stop making vague statements? Where did you get this that lot of Sikhs seem to believe that a great spiritual leader will come to Earth.

It is the Christians who are waiting for the second coming of Jesus.

Very good thoughts. But a few questions come to my mind. Our Gurus were so ahead of their times

in that they gave equal status to women when the rest of the society treated them so badly.

Sikhism is the only religion which considers men and women equal. But look at the miserable

state of quite a number of followers of Sikhism today. They are still having the mindset of medieval

ages and give preference to sons instead of daughters. Shame on these so called Sikhs who are

giving a bad name to our religion. I wonder when will they awaken to the reality and understand the

message of equality given by our Gurus.

Very nicely explained. Hope we all get a message from this and stop following this

hollow practice of rakhri tying. Our Gurus showed us the path of freedom from empty

rituals and having the courage to take on injustice. Kara and Kirpan are the gifts of

Guru Gobind Singh ji to us to cherish and lead a life of Saint Soldiers.