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Indian politics is controlled by UP. I hv my agricultural farm in UP and i hv observed that UP society is very corrupt and nobody trusts anyone. Every one is suspicious of each other. We hv our issues in punjab but still we are a much better society than UP. It's our bad kismat we live in a country where politics is controlled by UP society.

Veerji Hv you heard about this revolutionary? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toussaint_Louverture

Veerji Any other movies you can recommend which can give inspiration to be brave or life pious life? Any movie about deep meanings of life, about wisdom?

I want to watch a movie or read a book on great non sikh revolutionaries who were brave and fought for the right cause. Plz help!

No idea veer.

I read it. All languages have beauty in them. All languages can be written in Gurmukhi script. But Gurmukhi script is ideal for Punjabi language. Sounds of ਧ ਢ ਭ are sounds of Punjabi language only. these sounds are not found in sanskrit or Arabic/Farsi.

Guru Nanak Dev ji is the greatest to have visited this earth. He chose Punjab area to take avtaar. Guru Sahib recited Japji Sahib in Punjabi and also invented a script which is ideal for Punjabi language. So there must be something special about Punjab area and Punjabi language. Having said that, Sikh religion is not limited to Punjabi language only.

This is another recession altogether. https://www.sothebys.com/buy/382a44fa-b646-423d-a897-0a5155fca796/lots/3180dde6-66f1-48be-9441-996c94c4580c The Hitopadesa is a Sanskrit collection of fables whose main objective was to teach morality and good government with both animal and human as characters. This Urdu translation is possibly the one made by Mir Bahadur ‘Ali al-Husayni in 1217 AH/1802 AD from the Mufarrih al-qulub, the Persian translation of the Hitopadesa, composed during the reign on the Mughal Emperor Akbar

https://www.dawn.com/2012/10/21/origin-of-urdu-in-dravidian-and-fareedkotis-theory/ However, a new shade was added to this linguistic sketch when in the latter half of the 20th century some linguists opined that Urdu was not an Aryan but a Dravidian language. Among them was Ain-ul-Haq Fareedkoti, who pursued this theory with detailed research. He began writing on issues concerning linguistics, languages of the Indo-Pak subcontinent and Urdu’s origin. He contributed his papers on linguistic issues to Urdu Nama, a magazine launched by the Urdu Dictionary Board and edited by the board’s then secretary Shan-ul-Haq Haqqi. Ain-ul-Haq Fareedkoti’s real name was Fazl Elahi. According to official records, he was born on September 17, 1919, in Fareedkot, East Punjab. In his early literary career, he tried his hand at poetry and wrote under the penname of Sho’la Fareedkoti. Having joined the Royal Indian Army in 1942, he opted for Pakistan after independence and in 1974 retired from Pakistan Army Education Corps. Fareedkoti Sahib wrote in Urdu, English and Punjabi on a variety of subjects but later devoted himself for the study of history and linguistics. His papers on linguistics and the origin of Urdu were collected in book form and published under the title Urdu Zaban ki Qadeem Taareekh (Lahore, 1972). In English, he wrote Pre-Aryan Origin of Pakistani Languages (Lahore, 1992). The theory that Urdu was an Aryan language was challenged by Fareedkoti Sahib. He, in his Urdu and English writings, surmised that contrary to the popular theory, Urdu did not have its roots in Sanskrit. In fact, his thesis is that not only Urdu but many sub-continental languages including Punjabi and Sindhi are Dravidian languages with influences from Manda and Indo-Chinese family of languages. To support his claim, Fareedkoti Sahib amassed a huge collection of data concerning the ancient languages, history, linguistics and their vocabularies. With a deep study of history and an interest in the ancient seals of Harappa and their scripts, he kept on looking for the roots of modern languages as he researched on ancient ones. He finally arrived at the conclusion that languages spoken in the Indus valley some 5,000 years ago could not have vanished in thin air without leaving any trace behind and the vestiges those ancient languages could be traced in the present-day languages of Pakistan. He believed, as he wrote in his book Pre-Aryan origin of Pakistani languages, that the language “spoken in the streets of Harappa in the pre-Aryan times could not in any way be an Aryan language. It can also be safely concluded that ‘Harappan’ language might have been related to any primitive non-Aryan linguistic group. Naturally, the Dravidian and the Manda languages remained as the main contenders in this respect”. Fareedkoti Sahib further writes that though Urdu, Hindi, Punjabi and Sindhi do not have enough Dravidian and Manda elements in their vocabularies, their grammatical structures totally differ from Sanskrit, or for that matter, any other Aryan language. In his opinion, grammatically these languages have close affinities with Dravidian languages and hence, clearly defy the “long-standing claims of western scholars” that emphasise Aryan origins.

https://en.gyaanipedia.com/wiki/Ain-ul-Haq_Faridkoti

Brahui is a Dravidian language spoken in Pakistan, Iran and Afghanistan. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brahui_language

https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/dravidian-language-family-is-4-500-years-old-finds-international-study/story-xRsAAzj5wqOIVPAgd3TkWL.html This study confirms, for instance, that Dravidian speakers were present in the subcontinent before the Indo-Aryan speakers arrived (around 3,500 years ago). We know about this from Dravidian (word) loans into Sanskrit but this is a confirmation,” said lead author Annemarie Verkerk of the Max Planck Institute for the Science of Human History in Jena, Germany

https://indianexpress.com/article/explained/indus-valley-civilisation-script-ancient-dravidian-language-link-7461402/

The research of G S Sidhu that I posted in this thread mentions the similarities between punjabi and Dravidian languages. Some sounds in rig veda are not present in Sanskrit but are present in Punjabi and Dravidian languages. Panjab university declared some time back that Punjabi is a descendant of proto Dravidian language. Below research also says that indus valley civilization which includes harrappa civilization spoke proto Dravidian language. Even the language of Mesopotamia civilization was influenced by proto Dravidian language. https://www.indiatoday.in/amp/science/story/indus-valley-people-spoke-ancient-dravidian-language-claims-new-research-1842718-2021-08-19

9. Enamel part of teeth of Harappa people were studied in the University of Florida. The results proved that enamels were of the people of Harappa and there was no mix up from any other outsiders. 10. Dr. Mayell says that the skeleton of Harappa is the same as that of Punjabi people, therefore, they spoke Punjabi language

Some are becoming sikh out of love and faith of Guru Sahib. Some might be becoming sikhs due to political or economic reasons. Some just hate the bammann/Banniya class and want to leave Hinduism.

Veerji I had a talk with a nice nirmala scholar some time back. He told me that Sanskrit of Vedas is very very different from Sanskrit 1500 years ago and present day Sanskrit is very different from Sanskrit 1500 years ago. But still all these three versions belong to the same language called Sanskrit. Same way Punjabi spoken before rig veda must be very different from present day Punjabi but still both are versions of the same language called Punjabi. May be some nice linguist can tell what parameters actually define a language. No doubt ALL languages change over time but some finish off while some survive. I personally feel Punjabi existed before rig veda and Punjabi is a great language.

Veerji Plz reply in the the thread Is Punjabi 5500 years old?

It's free on kindle. I haven't read the book so don't know whether it's good or not.

https://www.amazon.in/Analytical-Research-Sri-Sarbloh-Granth-ebook/dp/B09RZJCRVY/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?crid=RH2RRL54T2QX&keywords=abinash+mahapatra+sarbloh+granth&qid=1644418644&sprefix=abinash+mahapatra+sarbloh+granth%2Caps%2C237&sr=8-1

Dally Singh veerji What do you say about the Punjabi sounds in rig Veda?

One of my Hindu friend's father was a very corrupt officer in the revenue department. He amassed huge wealth and took premature retirement and started a business. Even in his business field, he has a bad reputation. In the last 3-4 years, he has started reading lots of religious books like gita, upanishads and various Hindu sutras. Whenever he meets anyone, he will quote many spiritual sayings. He also makes short documentaries on social issues and gives big spiritual speech before the premiere of the movie. His business ways hv not improved and he still uses and enjoys his huge wealth created by taking badduuaan of the people. Even navjot sidhu quotes many spiritual and wisdom sayings but deep down he is oppurtunist and has hunger to be the CM of punjab. These days many Sikhs also do social bhagti or social show of spirituality to gain respect in community or to become pardhaan and get political contacts and business contacts.

Another wonderful book by pyara Singh Padam https://sikhbookclub.com/Book/Gurmukhi-Lipi-Da-Itihas https://archive.org/details/GurmukhiLipiDaItihas