MrDoaba

our so called sikh leaders should proactively engage in massive inter faith dialogues and exchange assurances/appreciation of each other dharams.

How will they find the time...too busy lining their pockets.

"appreciation of each other dharams" will be highjacked by anti-panthic forces and they will amalgamate the two.

I think Mr.Kaleka's comments are out of line, maybe the ministers were showing their respects. Were all human beings I guess.

Not really seeing as S.M. Krishna is trying to silence Sikhs in Canada, he doesnt want Sikhs to have insaaf. He wants the Canadian government to keep tabs on the activities of Sikhs as if we're some rogue community.

His visit to Wisconsin was all just for show.

@ MrDoabaSorry ji.... guess i didn't spell it right..... I hate spelling not good at it lol :blush2:

I havent the slightest about Kundalini or chakras or even whether or not its in line with Gurmat but i hope this helps.

http://www.wahegurunet.com/chakra-healing

LOL!! then try not to get lost singh!!!

I'll try! :lol2:

RESEARCH

No thanks, research karda karda ta sari umar gwach jao gi!

Oh and isn't this video creepy?

I think theres just something wrong with his eyes or the camera.

Maybe we could start of designing some sort of universal logo about 84 in the same manner as the 300 Saal Guru De Naal logo. Each and every Gurdwara should display it outside. It should be clear and something that becomes familiar. Obvious and easy to remember.

Once other people start to see it, theres a chance they might think what is this 84 thing about and decide to find out. But that also means we need to have all the relevant material available should some one want to find out more. There should be an offical website for it, a dot org if thats possible.

Just a small idea to get the ball rolling on educating people.

Indian dignitaries to meet with Sikh Temple shooting survivors

OAK CREEK - A trio of Indian dignitaries met with survivors of August's shooting at the Sikh Temple in Oak Creek on Thursday, October 4th.

The visiting dignitaries said they came with a message of peace and goodwill, and expressed their sympathies and pledged support. However, for at least one man, the visit brought back some painful memories.

Indian Foreign Minister S.M. Krishna, Indian Ambassador to the United States Nirupama Rao and Consul General of India in Chicago Dutta Tomar visited the temple Thursday afternoon.

They met with worshippers who survived Wade Michael Page's Aug. 5th rampage and offered prayers and support on behalf of the people of India and the Indian government.

India is home to the world's largest Sikh population, and India's Minister of Foreign Affairs said the shooting in Wisconsin was felt deeply by the people of India.

"I would like to express our profound grief, and I would like to convey our deep sense of pain and anguish that we also have gone through," Krishna said.

Page, a 40-year-old Army veteran and white supremacist, opened fire at the temple shortly before Sunday services began. He killed six worshippers and wounded three others. He also wounded Oak Creek Police Lt. Brian Murphy before killing himself during a shoot-out with Oak Creek Police Officer Sam Lenda.

Page's motivations for the shooting remain unclear.

The dignitaries took a tour of the Sikh Temple Thursday - retracing Page's steps. They also met privately with the families of the victims and the Sikh Temple's president.

"The families were introduced one by one and he expressed his sympathies and condolences and said they`re doing whatever they can to beef up the security so an incident like that doesn`t happen again," Temple President Dr. Kulwant Dhaliwald said.

Despite their seemingly positive intentions, Jagjit Kaleka, the brother of the slain former Sikh Temple president said he's still angry with India's government for its handling of anti-Sikh riots back in 1984 that Sikhs say left thousands dead.

"To me, it's hogwash. I don't think they have any sympathy for us. I personally don't believe. I personally don't like them to come here," Kaleka said.

The dignitaries from India said their country stands with the United States in protecting religious freedom.

"We protect the right to worship and the United States also protects the right to worship," Krishna said.

Prior to their visit to the Sikh Temple, the dignitaries visited Froedtert Hospital to visit with Pujnab Singh and his family.

Singh was critically injured in the shooting and continues to recover in the hospital.

Nearly one month ago, Singh's family released a statement regarding Singh's recovery, saying: "Our beloved father and husband, Punjab Singh, was severely injured on that terrible August day. Despite the heroic efforts of emergency responders at the scene and the medical care he received from trauma specialists and other doctors at Froedtert Hospital, he has not fully recovered. He is no longer in the intensive care unit and now is making a slow and gradual recovery. We are grateful for the many messages of support we have received. It is a comfort for us to know people are keeping our father in their thoughts and prayers."

Singh was shot in the head during the shooting, and was one of four injured survivors.

While they didn't go into too much detail Thursday, the Indian dignitaries said they will support the victims' families in the future. They mentioned help with education and acquiring passports, and that they will work with the U.S. government to help protect Sikhs from violence.

Pointless visit...

I thought this thread was about kundali like the show kundali and kismat! :nono: Haha!

:lol2:

Mr Doaba

Responses like yours are exactly why I posted here. I have no desire to ever be affiliated with Jatts!

Take care

My point was its still a caste surname, i wasnt advocating being Jatt.

By the way Mann is not exclusively a Jatt surname, go do some research.

Its used by other castes who want everyone to think they're Jatt. Go do some research "Mann-Sahib"

Is this what its come to...that we need to sign a petition to make what is the highest authority in Sikhi uphold Satkaar for Maharaj... Waheguru.

Mate I'm pure Mann!

When people say they're pure "insert goath here" it usually means you support caste more than others.

make sikhs look like monsters.

This is exactly what they're doing, theres been lots of positivity surrounding Sikhs in the news lately but God forbid people like them, we need to show everyone they're monsters.

Its a sneaky tactic used by India, and its a trap that we end up getting caught in.

not really, caste is more of an issue in places like Bihar and UP, than it is in Panjab.

I meant it in the sense that the whole revolution against caste comes from Sikhi but we still follow it almost as much as other communities.

Even here in the UK ive had non-punjabis ask me if im Jatt.

i'm assuming you didn't read the article? This statement is sarcasm by the author...def take a moment to read the article

Whooops! I "zipped" through the article just like the speed readers at the SGPC! :tongue2:

the article i have listed openly discusses the paranoia and vicitim mentality Sikhs of today have

But yeah seriously we're so paranoid these days. While the Panth should always be on guard we need to get rid of this mindset.

We're so worried about RSS agents we forget how destructive paranoia can be.

I wouldnt blame it all on Jatts, the cause of problems is the whole caste system as a whole. Although to be honest i almost feel ashamed if i have to mention anything about caste as Jatts do tend to think they're higher then everyone else.

The Gurus tried so hard to eradicate the the caste system and yet Punjabis make more "rollaa rappa" about it then anyone else!

Oh and the fact that these dehdhari Gurus are Jatt doesnt mean anything seeing as the majority of the followers come from scheduled castes.

these non jatts have the reservation benefit system to help them. So they can get lower grades and still be in line first for a doctors job, factory job, police job teachers job etc

This is also true.

IMO caste is just another way of saying Humai these days.

I think everyone is getting fed up with the fojis and their mentality, some "fojis" they turned out to be. They've completely brought down the community. And they work for practically nothing which has affected the so many of the industries our oldies worked in.

Bloody hell, you had me going for a second! :lol2: :lol2:

Its been discussed at length Veer Ji.

http://www.sikhsanga...u-gobind-singh/

http://www.sikhsanga...u-please-watch/

The panth needs to learn how to handle issues like this. They're trying to provoke a reaction to show Sikhs condone behaviour like this which is undeniably gonna get us a lot of negative press in the west. We should wise up especially the Karnails and Jarnails who phone up airing their murderous views on national t.v regardless of how much we detest characters like him.

Went from a plaster to a Neck brace LOLLL ... I dont think he knows the meaning of consistency lolll

Loll! The whole story is just fabricated, its so obvious. Doesnt surprise me really, theres no point even discussing it.

I hate even just seeing his picture.

This is irrelevant to the topic but it looks like hes wearing a wig!