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  1. MrDoaba

    Tiger chasing Deer

    Why do you insist on making this presumption: "you, yours, MrDoaba's"? - you're making out as if I'm some anomaly in this equation. I provided my explanation to you according to Sikhi. It's not my doing so why do you keep referring to it as such? If you still can't accept it, that's on you; I'm under no obligation to answer your questions when you can go and find the answer yourself, stop being so lazy. All your arguments are based on false premise (a very, very bad habit of yours). Are you unparh or something? No matter how much you keep ascribing these things to me, they're not gonna all of sudden become what you're positing. I've already told you, I'm sorry Sikhi isn't what you believe it to be. What do you want me to do about it??? The only rebuttal you make is "the RSS says similar things therefore you're wrong", and that too when evidence from a Sikh perspective has been provided. Blaming the RSS for literally everything which doesn't fit your views isn't in and of itself valid reasoning for your assertions. First ask yourself, what is "Hinduism"? There isn't one single entity. If you read some Sakhis, an exegesis, and Gurbani itself you will see what I'm talking about. When Guru Sahib gave Updesh, there's often times more to it than simply a "Hindu". It speaks about sect or a particular system of thought people adhered to. The differences become apparent when one studies Sikhi intently and with dedication. It's not possible to answer a question like the one you're asking in short; SGGS has 1430 angs, and then there is DG...how do you expect to condense that down into simple bullet points? Sure you can answer trivial questions, like the ones people usually ask though. Why would I speak to the RSS about Sikhi? To who's benefit would that be? Trying to explain to them is like trying to convince an Evangelical Christian; they are narrow-minded, they have an agenda, they are hell-bent in their ways, and they don't truly seek answers. They're not asking real questions to get real answers...they've already made their hypothesis and ask questions to merely confirm that. An utter waste of time. You've by the looks of it, made your sole Sikhi purpose about countering Hinduism. Although tbh, many people have made Sikhi into this single-point-agenda and they believe that is its main purpose too; that Gurmat is all about counteracting and refuting this collective non-entity known as Hinduism, and that we must prove that Sikhi has absolutely zero connection with this non-entity neither spiritually or culturally, or that we must prove how they're all wrong. Repeatedly you've asked me what is the difference between "my" practises and beliefs, and Hinduism. Now I ask you, what is the difference between you and those Pandits who believed their Dharam was all about countering and refuting others? They made it their life mission to win the religious argument, prove others are wrong, to claim supremacy. In the process they forgot to practise their Dharam; they had all the gyaan but didn't put it into practise. Simply just retaining knowledge for a singlular purpose. This is what you do with regards to anything in Sanatan Mat. You've been sold a watered-down version of Sikhi, which purports that spirituality is some narrow, inflexible path. Or in many cases has totally zapped the spirituality out of it altogether. This same Sikhi presents an alternative ithiaas at times. Some very deep conditioning indeed because now when issues like this thread come up, you can't handle it. Your immediate response is that something is awry and there's been a grave mistake...and you resort to accusations and loaded questions. All that happens is, you come off as dramatic and highly insecure. Ask yourself truly, do you really think Sikhs are that stupid? That some of us are just willingly following some false version of Sikhi and ithiaas made up by those with a diabolical plan? Or do you think it's possible that it's in fact you who might be following something which has deviated from the original? I heard a beautiful analogy recently in Katha: there are a variety of flowers (Sampradas and Sikhs) in the garden (Panth) of Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji, but now we as a Panth try to cut down them down, we only want one type to remain (SGPC et al, missionary, Ik Granth Ik Panth etc). The flowers all bring a different beauty and scent to the garden but nonetheless they're still in Guru Sahibs garden. When the gardeners (reformists/revisionists) came in, they came to remove some weeds, which was good, it needed to be done. However, they were gardeners and not landscapists but landscaping is what they tried to do. They weren't trained in this and were overzealous. Now what we see is, the weed control methods they put in place are ruining the flowers themselves, mistakenly. Now there is such resistance (paranoia) to the original species, they try to remove them at first sight so as not to ruin one group of gardeners' idea (ideology) of what the garden should look like. Dally put it best when he said "People have conjured up a protestant christianised 'Sikhism' " - really reflect on it Ajeet Sio...do you think there's at least the possiblity, just the slightest chance, that you might be an overzealous gardener? Because if you aren't even willing to ponder whether or not you might actually be wrong, and that not every single Sikh who follows traditional/Puratan Sikh is an RSS agent...then there isn't much left to say I'm afraid. Stop going in circles dude, stop jumping to hysterical conclusions, and stop asking the same questions again and again the moment your idealised version of Sikhi is challenged. It's whimsical. You have absolutely no idea about nuance, perspective, context, interpretation, symbolism, or the arts and how these are expressed...the list goes on. It's almost as if...as if you've been putting karele up your jagsaw like some others here too. Gurbar Akaal!
  2. MrDoaba

    Tiger chasing Deer

    Jesus Christ, IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT A WORD WHICH IS ALSO USED IN HINDU MAT ALWAYS REFERS TO THE SAME THING YOU THINK IT DOES. IF YOU READ GURBANI, THERE ARE TONS OF EXAMPLES LIKE THIS BUT YOU DON'T DO ANY KHOJ SO YOU WOULDN'T KNOW. JUST BECAUSE YOU ARE IGNORANT DOESN'T MEAN EVERONE ELSE IS. HINDUISM DOESN'T HAVE A COPYRIGHT ON WORDS. GURBANI IS LITTERED WITH EXAMPLES OF SUCH WORDS. Also w.t.f does "believe in" mean anyway? Just s.t.f.u for once and listen to what you're being told. Here is an explanation, if you can't accept it, then it's honestly your problem and you should start attending Church: This is Devi Ju Ki Ustat from Sri Guru Dasam Granth Sahib Ji. As you can see Devi here in this context refers to the creative power of Akaal Purkh and Her (this power is female in literary terms) various qualities. Which is who Devi/Shakti is in Sikhi. Now Guru Sahib and other Sikhs have used/will use these various names depending on the context to refer to a specific quality of Shakti as per Sikhi. In some Banis the names refer to the Sargun manifestations of Shakti - the Goddesses, and, sometimes not, as above. Many of these words have more than one arth which is something you are seriously slow at picking up - this why the Shakti of Akaal Purkh is referred to using the different names of the Goddesses in Gurbani; it's talking about a specific aspect. Go and read the vyakhya for this pangti, you will see exactly what I mean: ਗੁਰੁ ਈਸਰੁ ਗੁਰੁ ਗੋਰਖੁ ਬਰਮਾ ਗੁਰੁ ਪਾਰਬਤੀ ਮਾਈ ॥ The Guru is Shiva, the Guru is Vishnu and Brahma; the Guru is Paarvati and Lakhshmi. In my case I have chosen Saraswati for my signature. Which refers to knowledge or gyaan. In case you don't know, it's a common Dharmik quote I have used. Also here is another example: Idk what your problem is. Honestly, if you have an issue accepting these aspects of Sikhi then maybe a different Mat might suit you better. I'm sorry Sikhi isn't what you believe it to be. Also go and do your own khoj, if you did then maybe you would know a thing or two about Sikhi instead of drawing conclusions based on your pre-conceived notions, bias and sheer ignorance. There is just pure avidya in your words. You chat more bakwaas than an Indian auntie on meth. The only person getting fooled here is you, because of your own ignorance lmao. There is no subversion of Sikhi, in fact the subversion is the other way around because it seeks to water down Sikhi into something it isn't, which is exactly what you're doing. The same way you keep jumping to conclusions about me, I could do the same, e.g: "Ajeet you have a problem with the word Saraswati because you have problems with anything female because you are gay" Ajeet you have a problem with Saraswati because you have a problem with females, which is evident from because you treat your wife like sh!t" But you see, I don't do that. ਹੁਣ ਚੁੱਪ ਕਰ ਕੇ ਬਹਿ ਜਾ, ਸਾਲਾ ਕੁੱਤਿਆਂ ਵਾਂਗੂ ਭੌਂਕੀ ਜਾਂਦਾ Gurbar Akaal!
  3. MrDoaba

    Tiger chasing Deer

    Lmaoo, yes big bad MrDoaba is duping everyone here, because no one else on this forum has a Buddhi, none of them have any vivek - discernment. They've all had lobotomies. You give me too much credit. In order to convince people on the level you accuse me of, you need kamaayee, which I do not have. God forbid MrDoaba and the rest of the members here look into Ithiaas and Gurmat, and then decide to discuss it. Stop whinging seriously. FYI it wasn't even me who posted pictures of any buildings or their ceilings. But obviously I don't disagree they also represent Surya; you'd have to be pretty dense to think it's "just a circle with lines radiating outwards" lmfao. These things aren't just made up by me, they are spoken about by vidhvaans of the Panth some of whom predate us by 100+ years. You are the very definition of paranoid. Gurbar Akaal!
  4. It's not my Manglacharan. If you have a problem take it up with Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji Maharaaj. Who said we don't? In order to do Nirgun Bhagti, you first have to go via the route of Sargun Bhagti. Do you even know who/what Sargun Parmatama is for Sikhs? It's Satguru Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji Maharaaj. When we do Seva of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji that is one example of Sargun Bhagti. We very often say "Dhan Guru Nanak Tu Hii Nirankaar"...you should look into what this means. The Devi Devte are what Sanatan Mat believes are Sargun Saroops of Brahman, and while Sikhi does accept that they are avtaars* of Brahm, it does not accept that they are actually Nirankaar in Sargun form because in Sikhi that, as I have already said, is Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji. * The concepts of Avtaar is not as simple as most people think; there is a hierarchy, and Guru Sahib is at the top. Please refer to Sant Gurbachan Singh Ji's Japji Sahib teeka or Amir Bhandar teeka. I can't spoonfeed your ignorance. If you think you can skip the Sargun route then good luck. You must've been born with Uchi Avastha. Where did I say I still believe in Ganesh or Saraswati? You're the only one giving them the status of God lol. Just because you cannot understand these terms from a Sikh perspective, you jump to wild conclusions. You quote Dasam Guru Granth but selectively, these same terms are used in there and they don't just have one arth as you seem to think. Every time you wanna point out the differences between Sikhi and Sanatan Mat because it fits your world view and confirmation bias of what you believe Sikhi to be. But you oh so conveniently gloss over where it overlaps, and then when it does, you cry "RSS RSS". Lmao. ॐ doesn't have one arth in Hindu Mat. ਓਅੰ doesn't have one arth in Sikhi Sidhant. But some of the arths are exactly the same. Om and Oan is the same thing. You live in India, I'm sure you're familiar with Devanagari script, and so please tell me what sound does the chandrabindu and anusvara make? Oh yeah it's a nasal sound which is internationally transliterated as "m" for Sanskrit, and tippi in Gurmukhi is transliterated as "n". I already went over the vyakaran with you many months ago. Are you finding it hard to digest lmao? That you can't even accept the words of Dr Sahib Singh who is a Tat Khalsa Sikh. I only used his teeka for your benefit; I don't personally care for it. Why do you get so triggered when there is some overlap between Sikhi Sidhant and Sanatan Mat? Did something happen to you once upon a time? You're gonna have a hard time in Sikhi if you cannot handle places where they cross paths. The "m" and "n" you are referring to are added at the end of words when there's a nasalisation. Not a full consanant. Which represents an anusvara, chandrabindu, tippi, bindi. Or it refers to words that end in न् - the diacritic mark called a halant/virama - this is Sanskrit vyakaran not Gurmukhi. Why would ਓਅੰ need to be written as ਓਨਮ ? Why isn't your definition just written as is? ਓਅੰ doesn't have the consonant "n" or "m" sound in it so why is it written with full consonants in this instance? Why....it's because Onam refers to something else all together lol. Why would Oan need to have both "n" and "m" sound erroneously written? That's not how Gurmukhi works. Are you stating that Guru Sahib doesn't know Gurmukhi rules? Obviously you are having a hard time digesting this because you had to resort to saying I'm lying . IF YOU had read Dakhni Oankaar you would know what "Onam" refers to. Oddly enough that is where that Shabad Arth I provided comes from lmaooo, and it's accepted Panth-wide. Do you even know the background (Uthanka) to this Bani because it seems like you don't. The Bani isn't even discussing "is it Om or Oan?" because they're the same thing. It's about the way Om/Oan was being used and its asli arth, which Guru Sahib did Uchaaran of because Om/Oan had become Karam Kand. Anyway I'll make it easier for you: ^ Dr Sahib Singhs teeka - Vyakaran and Uthanka ^ Amir Bhandar Teeka, Uthanka - historical context of the Bani ^ GurShabad Ratankaar Mahankosh - Gurbani Dictionary ^ Generic search results for ਓਨਮ Is that enough evidence to refute your jhoote iljaam that I'm lying about Gurbani???? Or do you still think that you're Brahmgyani and only Sant Baba Ajeet Singh Ji has the correct arth and Brahmvidya???? Honestly, I'm not trying to prove Sikhi is part of Hinduism. I'm just providing what Sikhi actually is, and if it overlaps with Sanatan Mat that's not my fault lol. It's on you to accept that otherwise whatever you're practising isn't exactly Sikhi now is it? If anything the one who's actually leaning towards Sanatan Mat is you, because for some reason the things you say sound more like Neo-Advaita i.e. the hardcore "Nirgun Upashak, Nirgun Upashak!". I agree eventually all Sikhs are supposed to become Nirgun Upashaks, but one does not begin there. How can you conceptualise and do dhyaan of The Unseen if you have no focus? Sikhi is the middle path. Your claim about Sikhs being "Shabad Gyan Pujaris" is also as dangerous as the RSS mindset because strictly Gyaan Yog is rejected in Gurmat. Sikhi is the path of Prema Bhagti, which begins at the Sargun Saroop of Nirankaar which for the third time is Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji - Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji - Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji. There are countess examples of Sargun Bhagti in Sikhi. So Ajeet Sio, you can continue to reject what doesn't fit your version/ideology of Sikhi and keep on believing and practising whatever you are already, but I assure you it's not Sikhi. Instead of trying to make Sikhi adapt to you, why don't you adapt to Sikhi? Soch la dhyaan naal. Gurbar Akaal!
  5. Is this more of your sarcasm? Or are you just retarded? You obviously have no idea how Mangals or invocations work. They were and still are used for all literary works, not just for Gurbani. Every single Sikh text we have starts with a Manglacharan and may contain several more within it. No one claims those works are Gurbani lol. Mangals have also traditionally been used when writing letters. It's nothing to do with kachi/pakki bani. It's just a way of paying homage and due reverance. A nishani of Nimrata and Maharaaj Kirpa. And obviously, invoking. Some short Manglacharans found in Gurbani: ੴ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ ॥ ੴ ਸਤਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਗੁਰ ਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ ॥ ੴ ਸਤਿਨਾਮੁ ਕਰਤਾ ਪੁਰਖੁ ਗੁਰ ਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ ॥ ੴ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਕੀ ਫਤਹਿ ॥ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਭਗਉਤੀ ਜੀ ਸਹਾਇ ॥ ਤ੍ਵ ਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਅਕਾਲ ਪੁਰਖ ਜੀ ਸਹਾਇ ॥ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਭਗੌਤੀ ਏ ਨਮਃ ॥ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਭਵਾਨੀ ਜੀ ਸਹਾਇ ॥ Some of these are also found outside of Gurbani, especially the first one. Some found in other Sikh literary works, which would probably give you a heart attack: ੴ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ॥ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਰਾਮ ਚੰਦ੍ਰ ਏ ਨਮਹ॥ - From one of Guru Sahibs favourite pieces of literature, Hanuman Natak. ੴ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ॥ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਗਣੇਸਾਯ ਨਮਃ ॥ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਸ੍ਰਸ੍ਵਤੀਯਾਯ ਨਮਃ ॥ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਦਸੇ ਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਸਹਾਯ ॥ - from a Granth about Raag Vidya. Hell look at this one line of a Mangal from Bhai Gurdaas Ji's Kabit Savaiye: ਓਨਮ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਚਰਨ ਆਦਿ ਪੁਰਖ ਆਦੇਸੁ । Do you know what ਓਨਮ means? Here's a quote from an acceptable scholar in your terms, Dr Sahib Singh, for you: ਪਾਠਸ਼ਾਲਾਂ ਵਿਚ ਪਾਂਧੇ ਲੋਕ ਮੁੰਡਿਆਂ ਨੂੰ ਪੜ੍ਹਾਣ ਵੇਲੇ ਉਹਨਾਂ ਦੀ ਪੱਟੀ ਤੇ ਲਫ਼ਜ਼ (ॐ नमः) 'ਓਅੰ ਨਮਹ' ਲਿਖ ਦੇਂਦੇ ਹਨ, ਜਿਸ ਦਾ ਅਰਥ ਹੈ 'ਓਅੰ ਨੂੰ ਨਮਸਕਾਰ ਹੈ, ਪਰਮਾਤਮਾ ਨੂੰ ਨਮਸਕਾਰ ਹੈ ਓ + ਨਮਃ: = ਪਰਮੇਸ਼ਰ ਨੂੰ ਨਮਸਕਾਰ ਹੈ। Is Bhai Gurdaas Ji an RSS agent? Is Dr Sahib Singh an RSS agent? You yourself knows this comes in Gurbani as well. But nah it's probably a conspiracy. There are many which are far longer than this in, including but not limited to Bhai Gurdas Ji Vaaran, Bhai Nand Laal Ji's Bani, Sri Gurpratap Suraj Granth (the mangal from which you should definitely read lmao) etc etc. We have tons of literature and they all have Mangals, some short some long. And many which cannot be comprehended by people of your mindset - the one which are seemingly Sanatani in nature are to that aspect of Akaal Purkh specifically and they're older than you would wanna believe. Your environment has made a few screws go loose in your head. What the hell are you still doing in Maharashtra or even India for that matter if you're so paranoid? @eternalamar nice work, please add the Gurmukhi text to the poems as well, thanks. Gurbar Akaal!
  6. @FreshMind13 Iirc you had predicted this over a year ago. How come the decision only came now?
  7. I'm surprised no one has said listen to Katha. It's by far the best option which has several benefits, a few of which are: often times it uses complex vocabulary, it uses a polite manner of speaking, kathkaars tend to have excellent pronunciation because of proper santhiya, and last but not least you receive Dharmik gyaan. Find some legit katha and a kathakaar who you like. Some can even be quite lighthearted and funny, like Sant Baba Hardev Singh Ji Lulo Wale. Anyway, check out Gurmat Veechar.
  8. MrDoaba

    Sikh Youth Uk

    There was ample oppurtunity for them to do this, to show some Nimrata. But they insist on relaying the message that they think they can act with impunity. They should stick to what they're good at, apologise for their past actions, and then stay out of certain areas of Sikhi. Moving on would be the best thing for everybody. SYUK are the cause of this division, not anyone else and therefore they're responsible for mending relations and helping the Sangat move on. I've already said though, they are practically a PR disaster. They couldn't just suck it up and accept galti ho gayi; the power is getting to their heads however. Look at their latest statement for example. If and when they clear this up, they still need to be monitored by the Panth to see what kind of content they're releasing/promoting, and what exactly they're getting up to outside of tackling grooming.
  9. MrDoaba

    Sikh Youth Uk

    Words of Shere Panjab. Spot on tbh. Lotta truth. No one is against the Seva they do. @Redoptics I believe they beat up an elderly member of Nishkaam Seva Jatha.
  10. MrDoaba

    Sikh Youth Uk

    When Sikh Youth Birmingham later to become Sikh Youth UK first came on the scene, it was all good, no issues. Finally more were doing something about the grooming issue, by whatever means necessary. It remained this way for a good while. As mentioned by @MisterrSingh it was only soft, liberal airy-fairy types who had an issue (still do, always will); the majority of the community did not. The same majority didn't have an issue with how they viewed a certain other community as a whole either. Everyone was fine with a sort of 'don't ask, don't tell' policy. Just to make clear I myself have had no issue with any of their grooming-tackling solutions and any associated activities. It's both good sense and common sense to have a 'brawn wing' if you will, as long as they're lowkey and stick to what they're good at. I still support this wholeheartedly. The issues which have now arisen are unrelated to their fight against grooming. Again to even to have a group which 'doesn't temper their strength with spirituality' is absolutely fine. But when this group themselves start to veer into prachaar too deeply, both Ithiaasik and Adhyaatmik especially that which is flawed, that's when it becomes an issue. And when a group like this begins to emerge as one of the leaders in the prachaar field for impressionable youth (and adults), people who are now behaving completely irresponsibly towards their own, that's when it becomes a serious concern. Now, as we have seen they are trying to police people [Sikhs], to control them [Sikhs], interfere in their [Sikhs] lives, harass/threaten individuals [Sikhs], and promote their (toxic) ideology which has come about as a result of the khulli chhutti they think they have. One of the recurring themes of Gurbani is Sadh Sangat and another is ignorance/avidya. If the effect they're having on Sangat is rooted in ignorance/avidya then this problem will fester and will be yet another issue that has to be dealt with in the coming years. It's not forward thinking at all. SYUK shouldn't be completely autonomous; an organisation like this needs to answer to, or at least be linked to, an org who have their heads screwed on and are forward-thinking, long sighted, and most importantly in tune with Gurmat. Look at the SAS, they are equally if not better at the job than SYUK because they stick to their job; they don't try and do the above type prachaar and policing. They create awareness and spread knowledge, stick to strongly to Sikhi ethics and values without getting embroiled in this ridiculous controversey.
  11. MrDoaba

    Tiger chasing Deer

    This was a common motif/symbol in Sikhi and is still utilised by the Dal Panth. The Surya or Suraj is a reference to the dynasty (Suryavanshi) which Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji and therefore the Khalsa Panth belongs to as mentioned in Bachittar Natak and other texts. ਜਾਂ ਦਿਨ ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤ ਛਕਤ ਯਹਿ, ਰਹਤ ਨ ਪਿਛਲੀ ਜਾਤਿ । On that day when you take Amrit [Khandey Di Pahul], the commandment is that you do not have a previous Caste. ਜ੍ਯੋਂ ਭ੍ਰਿੰਗੀ ਹ੍ਵੈ ਕੀਟ ਤੈ, ਤ੍ਯੋਂ ਸਿਖ ਹ੍ਵੈ ਗੁਰੁ ਜਾਤਿ ॥੨੪॥ In the same way a Bhringi, which transforms a [low] insect into a beautiful butterfly, a Sikh turns [beautiful] and adopts the Gurus Caste. ਸੂਰਜ ਬੰਸੀ ਦਸਮ ਗੁਰੁ, ਛੱਤ੍ਰੀ ਭਏ ਪ੍ਰਸਿੱਧ । The Tenth Guru is from the Suraj Bans (Surya Vansh Lineage), the famous Kshatriya caste. ਯਾਹੀਂ ਤੇ ਸਭਿ ਖਾਲਸਾ, ਛੱਤ੍ਰੀ ਬਰਣ ਅਬਿੱਧ ॥੨੫॥ In this way all the Khalsa turn into one of Kshastriya. [Naveen Panth Prakash, pg. 1581, Vol. 3] ^ a Surajmukhi emblem being carried with Guru Sahibs entourage. ^ The same emblem being used by the Nihangs today ^ On the hilt of a Sikh Shastar ^ A battle standard from the Sikh Empire with a Surya ^ Surya logo Gurbar Akaal!
  12. MrDoaba

    Sikh Youth Uk

    Some thoughts: It's their word against his [Herman Singh]. They are showing disrespect to Herman Singh by deliberately calling him by his first name - this speaks to sincerity. SYUK themselves have done plenty to create divisions in the 'Panthic Sikh Community'. They don't always act in accordance to Sikh princples - something which has been highlighted in incidents prior to this. They haven't explicitly denied calling the police on Herman Singh. Who are these Panj Singh - not doubting the concept of Panj Singh itself, rather how legitimate this claim is and by what procedure it took place if true. Does Deepa Singh need to be told not to get into conflict with his brothers? SYUK have violated this tenet several times already. God forbid they knew this before supposedly being told. There is no such thing as 'Sri Akal Takht Sahib Maryada' - it's SGPC Maryada which is something they (and a lot of people) speak against but then apply when it suits them. They're pointing out the fact they've done Seva - no one has denied this but as previously mentioned, it doesn't give them carte blanche in regard to behaviour. They have made many mistakes according to Gurmat and are trying to wiggle out it - they're not only answerable to SGGSJ, the Panth also has a say. They themselves just claimed Panj Singh gave Hukam but according to their line of thinking, an apology alone will suffice for their misdeeds - double standards. They're saying he nor SYUK can be held responsible for their own members. This is unaccpetable. They should have responded to this whole situation ASAP, not a couple of hours before. This doesn't matter though because of their lack of sincerity and respect. It's clear they don't take the concerns of the Sikh community seriously. Personally I think they're just trying to play the humble victim but their false piety, arrogance, and dishonest nature is obvious. It didn't take long to pick apart their nonsense 'official statement'. I urge everyone to analyse anything and everything that they churn out or support. They spread a lot of misinformation, ignorance, and promote the same under the guise of Gurmat. Soon enough, people who have been affected by their toxic, cultish ideology will start appearing, it's already happening. Gurbar Akaal!
  13. MrDoaba

    Sikh Youth Uk

    That's a poor argument. Nonetheless, some points and questions to consider: It could well have been an honest mistake, did it occur that he may not have known about this supposed RSS link Many people believe misconceptions about Sikhi, that doesn't mean we cease to interact with them? If we did there wouldn't be many people to interact with lol. How else do you expect to do prachaar? Was threatening him a way to resolve this issue? Was this the point of the programme, to discuss if Sikhs are Hindus? Why did they feel they needed to interfere in this matter? What was the need to police? Regardless of whether the programme should not have been organised why did they feel they needed to take action in the way they did? Did this guy break some rule that I've missed? I'm not against SYUK, I already said they do good work, especially on the grooming front. But there are definitely some questionable things about them. One of which is behaving like Sharia Police and ruffians, alternating between the two when it suits them; doing seva does not give one carte blanche in terms of behaviour. When there's someone who does seva of the qaum but makes a mistake in their personal life, which doesn't affect anyone, people are all over that ready to tear them down. Which is bullsh!t. When there's someone who does seva of the qaum but interferes in the personal lives of others and act like lafange within the qaum, which affects many, people are expected to stay quiet. Which is also bullsh!t. Gurbar Akaal!
  14. MrDoaba

    Sikh Youth Uk

    What?! That is just sad. But I'm not surprised tbh. It's what I meant above, they try to police others and push their version of Sikhi. Didn't they recently threaten some kid who did an interfaith programme with the Hindu society at his uni? It's like: were gangsters > hear about 84 > become Singhs > think Khalistan movement is good replacement for being gangster Except 1984 and Khalistan = anti-anything that doesn't fit their interpretation of Sikhi; they see it from their thug life lens where there has to constantly be a villian in your sights, like "we're in this gang, can't associate with that gang, better check our gang loyalty". Pretty childish mentality. How much have these guys actually looked into Gurbani and Ithiaas? Seems like very little. Bhai Mohan Singh has done far more than these lot, for far longer, with real Sikhi ideals. If that makes him a Pandit then so be it. I highly doubt he personally gives a sh!t, however, if they were involved in trying to defame or slander him to others then shame on them.
  15. MrDoaba

    Sikh Youth Uk

    I think these guys do some good work, however them thinking it's wise to both tackle domestic issues and get involved in political activism is riduclous. They're a small organisation who lack the resources to focus on both issues, and, lack some of the professionalism required to be in the public eye; hearing some of them speak publicly is cringe honestly. Of course they can voice their opinions on politcal matters but any more than that is pointless. Either way, I don't support their politics. I mean even if one could be convinced of this Khalistan business it's hardly gonna come by way of some Chani Nattan types lol. Now all these incidents are building up of them being lafange, trying to police people, to intimidate people, forcing their version of Sikhi onto people etc. Combine this with the open display of thug life...it makes for a very unattractive and volatile picture. When they first starting getting popular, I thought to myself "why didn't they just join Bhai Mohan Singh and the SAS, stronger together, formidable?". I thought this until recently but then realised it was probably for the best they didn't. And yes, whatever did happen to that centre they wanted to open? Gurbar Akaal!
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