singh_comradz

vjkk vjkf

here is a direct link to that message board

http://groups.msn.com/SikhsInUk/general.ms...ion=get_threads

top film!!!!!!!! :e:

lies_3.docLIES_1.docLIES_2.docon msn groups 'SikhsInUk' you can join by going onto www.msn.co.uk...this guy really is some piece of work. he's twisting Sikhi to suit his own purpose.

the problem is i haven't got the knowledge to fully contradict, also many people on that site might have joined to learn something new about Sikhi so the misinformation is definately not a good thing

The above are some of his comments

need some help Saadh Sangat Ji

on msn group SikhsInUk there is this guy who is spewing out false propaganda of Sikhi. Guys typing too much false parchar and im finding it hard to keep up with him..

anyone wana join in :nihungsmile:

Through thr regurgitation topic i had this idea for new topic (lol....dont ask!!)

So......how old is evryone? ........I know most wont be honest 

I'm 26 

hhehe....this shud be intersting, me guessing the youngest here is 12 and the oldest is 34/40!! (if anyone younger or over no offence...its all good!)

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auntie ji!!!!!!!!!!!!! lol jokes

me 22 :nihungsmile:

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HHAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWW!!!! :'(

no problem mr im 22.....im going to meet my maker sooner, so HA....

actually that can happen at any time/age........ !!!

hehhehe

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yup sure sums it up

Through thr regurgitation topic i had this idea for new topic (lol....dont ask!!)

So......how old is evryone? ........I know most wont be honest 

I'm 26 

hhehe....this shud be intersting, me guessing the youngest here is 12 and the oldest is 34/40!! (if anyone younger or over no offence...its all good!)

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auntie ji!!!!!!!!!!!!! lol jokes

me 22 :nihungsmile:

i've already sent an email to complain about the contents of their paper..

here is the email address for anyone who wants to do the same

info@thesikh-times.co.uk

zzzzzzzzzzz

LOL YEAH SOZ AGAIN

sorry about that, it is www.sikhtimes.co.uk

VJKK VJKF

about a week or two ago i was reading through a copy of the sikh times newspaper. there was something on operaton blue star and i remember the paper had referred to the shaheed singh's in the complex as 'seccessionists' and 'terrorists.' that shocked me thinking that a paper representing the sikh community would make such comments.

worse still they have a section entitled 'sikh philosophy' in which they have translations of gurbani. now people reading such newspapers are going to throw away the newspapers after reading them, not to mention other acts which would disrespect the gurbani in them.

i've heard the newspaper has been around for a while now, does anyone else on this forum have any further info on them including their stance on panthic issues, their history and whether any person/group has raised this issue with them before.

you can read some of their biased articles on www.sikhtimes.com

bhul chuk maaf

sorry if i'm wrong but i think there is something about his past life in bachitter natak in dasam granth

www.sridasam.org

Some of our so called Giani are guilty of prmoting this toona, thaveet, thaga agenda. There is the one from Wolverhampton in his gold mercedes who does somehting similar. This is the same man who as a granthi told lies in the hazoori of our Guru Granth Sahib Ji.

Keep away from such people. They are only after one thing, YOUR MONEY and at the same time have you fighting with family members they will get you to think put the thaveet in your house.

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is that the bloke from ek niwas??

spend money on getting a pda. its soo worth it. an mp3/wma player, video player, picture viewer, sikhi to the max and sat navigation all in one! (obviously u gota pay more for the navigation).

it saves a lot of money at the end of the day.

(i  can hook you up the sat navigation thingie for only £55 extra) :lol:

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now now jagmeet i'm not that rich....if worst comes to worst then i'll just borrow your pda.. ghar di gal hunna :T:

thanks for the advice guys. i probably will buy it at the end of the week

im gonna buy an ipod nano to replace my ageing walkman

but some people have told me that it messes up quick.

does anyone on this forum have an ipod nano, and if so have you experienced any problems with it????

wow tip top singh is now like the new superman :lol:

does anyone know if any gurdwara or Sikh organisations are stepping in to help these guys out, from the legal aspect that is?

in terms of organisation start working out again. you may not feel like doing so but push yourself. as in my experience it will have a positive effect on your everyday activities and definately stop the drinking before it becomes a regular thing because it won't help your spirituality one bit..

peace

you shouldn't bother believing in prophecies, especially from something that lacks real authenticity.

Christians have been waiting for a 'second coming' which i think was meant to happen on the turn of the millenium but nothings happened..

you'll get Mahapursh's coming to this world to keep us in the right direction, but Guru ji hasn't left us...

Dhan Dhan SatGuru Granth Sahib Ji

alot of these repeat/serial offenders who 'deserve' the death penalty come from such a bad upbringing and their lifestyles are so messed that they do not care if they are killed and prefer to die. which is another reason why prison suicide rates are so high. i'd rather prefer if such a person suffers by going to prison for a long time than an execution

the death penalty doesn't work. it's a primitive form of punishment which should be outlawed worldwide.

as for prison the UK is facing a penal crisis as prison numbers have rocketed to 80,000 and the system is struggling to cope.

evidence has shown that ppl who are jailed are more likely to reoffend

so the solution is to send fewer ppl to prison by rehabilitating, using community sentences and most importantly striking at the causes of crime ie lack of education, deprivation, poverty etc

the death penalty doesn't work as a deterrant to crime. the USA which still uses the death penalty and has a staggering prison population of 2 million is a good example of that.

furthemore not everyone who is convicted of a crime is definately guilty i.e birmingham six..

and putting someone to death isn't going to bring the victim back so incarceration and rehabilitation is the key for serious offenders.

ITs not the only aspect members that money is misused by SGPC, and that is true everywhere whereeverI person has a power it happens... but they do are using money in proper way too. I lived in Amritsar till 2005 before leaving for Taiwan. They has buses to run continuosly for sangats who come to visit goldent temple from bus stand and station to Golden temple free of cost. They have made new staying places (sarah) and now try to expand the buidings of golden temple  to accomodate more and more sangat during the visits, managing many hospitals and schools plus managing all the guruduwaras in punjab etc, networking, airing of golden temple kirtan, computerization etc etc... these all things have been done.Yes corruption is verywhere and we haveto go by it we cant expect100% true person even i am damn sure that members here in this board  when given power of SGPC will do the same, what is happening...

FATEH

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true say.. not everyone is perfect but at the same time corruption shouldn't be condoned

I dont know what to make of this?? Is this humour relevant for Sikhs in England, a UK Sikh Representative Organisation??

http://www.sikhs.org.uk/default.asp?mnid=sikh&pgid=swedding

a sikh wedding – (or four laps and a piss up)

A Guide For Non-Sikhs

If you are invited to a Sikh wedding, don’t panic, here is an insiders guide to what each bit on the invitation card really means.

1.Reception of Barat

The Barat is the Groom’s tribe which invariably arrives late in dribs and drabs and in a state which thinly disguises the fact that many have had a skinful and some may still have much contraband on their person. The ‘reception’ usually takes place at the entrance to or in the courtyard of the Gurdwara and takes the form of much shouting and wailing (mainly by women) commencing from the moment the hordes first come into view.

To the finely tuned ear it is obvious that juicy insults are attempted to be set to tune but very little rehearsal time may be just one of the cause’s of the non-synchronised efforts.

When the opposition has been lined up in a stand off position, the Ardas (equivalent of the Lord’s Prayer) is mumbled by the Giani (Priest, the learned one or someone on a visitor’s visa and here for the money) and mimed by the shameless. Non-Sikhs are advised to take off their shoes and cover their heads (not with the shoes silly) and observe and copy the rest in silence or else.

2.Milni & Tea

Milni is loosely translated as ‘to meet’ and is the formal meeting of the heads of the households (‘who wears the trousers’). It take the form of exchange of token gifts (like team captains at football matches swapping pennants) but some flash gits have ruined this laudable tradition and try showing off by showering all the chieftains from the Groom’s tribe (his old man in particular) with tons of unsavoury and tasteless jewellery. This could involve hundreds of people – some only who come out of the woodwork and are seen at weddings and the palaver goes on for hours but the more orthodox concentrate on perhaps the Bride and Groom’s legitimate fathers and one or two decent uncles.

Having had embarrassing photos taken of the fake loving hugs during the exchange of gifts, there is usually a mad rush by the Groom’s tribe to where the food is.The food (at this time of the morning) usually comprises samosa, pakoras, jalebis, ladoos and barfi served with steaming hot tea or Coke (the drinking variety) in cramped conditions and with disingenuous smiles.

3.Anand Karaj

This is the religious bit and takes place in the Darbar Sahib (main hall) where the Sri Guru Granth Sahib (Sikh Holy Book) is present.The Granthis (those who supposedly know how to respect the Holy Book) and Gianis force the intended victims (the couple) to sit cross legged in front of the Holy Book with a posse of female minders to prevent any escape attempts with the rest of the sleepy congregation/guests behind them.

After the spiritual rituals of identifying the guilty parties (by making them stand up when all else are asleep in a whacked out and uncomfortable to fart positions) and another (silent) Ardas, the religious wedding bit takes place by the Groom dragging the Bride around the Holy Book four times – the Bride is usually comforted/consoled by ‘the brothers’ during each of the laps.The couple attempt to time each lap to coincide with the completion of the verse singing by the now drowsy Gianis before sitting down in their original spots.

After the four laps are completed, the couple and the rest have to endure a series of hymn singing, advice from hypocrites and pleas for contributions to the building fund, natural or man-made disasters and directions to the booze palace before being set free by a final verse from the Holy Book and the receiving of Holy Food (Karah Parshad). The couple then just sit there like lemons so the punters can pat them on the head and pose for photos/video shots of them giving dodgy money before pushing and shoving everyone else to find their shoes and illegally parked motors so as to get to where the booze is - fast.

4. Reception

This is often in a hall which is never large enough but miles away. The reason for the hall being too small is two fold – one, Western society just cannot comprehend the size of Sikh events (we always want to be bigger and possibly better than everyone else) and two, loads of gatecrashers/freeloaders tend to crawl out of the woodwork knowing there is going to be free booze, food and pretty women at the do.

At the hall, more by chance or luck than judgement or planning, nibbles, soft drinks and beer is laid out before guests arrive by which time spirits start materialising in plentiful quantities. The equivalent of tandoori chicken, lamb chops and the like are served to semi-<Edited> guests who are also semi-deaf by now due to extremely loud music being throbbed continuously since their arrival.

After about two hours, everyone picks themselves off the floor to acknowledge the arrival of the married couple who eventually cut the cake, attempt to dance and then tuck into their packed lunch (just joking). The main course is served soon after to allow the puke ups to have that special colour and stench before the fights break out.

Eventually, people start leaving, often of their own accord or with friends/relatives who can still remember where their cars are parked and sometimes accompanied by police or immigration officers.

5. Finally

The times on the invites are indicative only and no account should be taken of them – add half an hour for each successive item throughout the day.

Women who defiantly wish to wear short skirts to the Gurdwara should only do so if they got legs worth looking at and don’t care if they look stupid trying to sit cross legged on the floor with their knickers showing.

There is never a wedding list for presents but book tokens are definitely out.

Spare a thought for the (now) poor bugger who has to pay for all of this.

Anonymous Singh July 2000

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very disrespectful

can you imagine how many non-sikhs who are invited to sikh weddings have gone on the internet to look for guidance on procedure and come across this...

total mockery :lol:

BREAKING EXCLUSIVE: EXPOSED: BABA DALJIT SINGH CHICAGO

Sunday 20th November, 2005

Panthic Weekly News Bureau

'Baba' Daljit Singh (File Photo)

EXCLUSIVE Chicago (KP) - On the night of November 17 at 11:20 p.m a member of the Chicago Sikh Sangat received a phone call informing him that the van of self-styled 'Sant Baba' Daljeet Singh was at a local motel while the Sant was ‘enjoying’ himself in the company of a woman.

Upon receiving this information, members of the Sangat quickly got together and reached the motel location to expose the truth about Sant Daljeet Singh. The Sangat had been waiting for quite some time for the self-styled Sant to come out of his motel room, after which they contacted the area Police department. After a long period, the Police finally managed to get the door open and members of the Sangat saw with their very own eyes Sant Daljeet Singh with another woman (who was not his wife) in the motel room together. Members of the Chicago Sikh Sangat blocked the van and all exit routes of the so-called Sant, while he made futile attempts to leave the motel. Upon finding no way out, he called the police himself, seeking their help in getting out of the motel and past the Sikh Sangat.

With the police having cordoned off the perimeter of the motel, the Baba finally had enough “courage†to face the waiting Sangat and hastily entered his van and sped off.

The Baba was reported so nervous that he dropped his white dastar multiple times, and was completely bare headed when he left the premises. The Sangat members present have provided signatures testifying to being eyewitnesses of this entire fiasco.

The Sikh Religious Society, Palentine and the sevadaars of the Khalsa Alliance reported that in the past, they have warned various Panthic groups, Takhts, Jathedars Sahibans, and other leaders about the anti-Panthic activities of this Baba, but these warnings went unheeded.  “In the end, God Almighty has exposed the fraud and falsehood.  Now we urge the Sikh Sangat and our leaders to wake up now and rid our Panth of this disease.â€

A Khalsa Alliance representative who has been agitating against the Baba for many years said that there should be a Panth-wide boycott of these Bhekhee Saadhs (show-off so-called saints) and anyone who associates with them.  “These parasites have been planted by the Indian Government to destroy the Panth from within. It is our duty to expose them and warn to our community.â€

More EXCLUSIVE information and pictures in tommorrow's Panthic Weekly and interviews on W!N Radio One tommorrow. Stay Tuned for more information...

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where is their proof that the indian gov't was involved :lol: @

bigla singh ji these things r over why r u showing it again. we r happy in punjab and there is no surity that in our new home land some people like badal, amrinder singh, kps gill will not rule . every thing is going fine now dont try it agin.

because we're still classed as hindus and everyones happy. bu if anyone demands equal rights for their faith then its a different story...

similar to the moghuls period-give up your faith and we'll give you all sorts of pleasures and money, but if your defiant then we'll kill you..

on top of which you have known murderers, extortionists running the show..

and these sikhs who fought the kharkus were brainwashed into a false patriotism belief that they were fighting for mother india when in fact 'mother india' doesn't really give a toss about them.

as for the infighting its always happened in history between sikhs, not to mention with oher faiths.

bandai khalsa and tat khalsa, misls between themselves etc etc..

but it still doesnt change that sikhs should have equal rights in terms of religion and justice for 84. what kind of country though can deny ethnic cleansing of a minority and attempt to re-educate everyone on what happened in the 80s/90s by making up <admin-profanity filter activated> and labelling the whole movement as terrorists.

let the truth be told :e: