HKaur16

Dalbir Singh's nephew says that it was a robbery. The shooters shot through the side door which hit Dalbir Singh.

http://www.jsonline.com/news/crime/sikh-temple-member-slain-by-wouldbe-robbers-at-store-dh6h8du-166477466.html

Thanks for the suggestion HKaur ji. How reliable is the katha, what is the literary basis of it? Has he any studied reference material of Guruji's personal diaries or has he studied himself and reached a conclusion?

Admittedly there will always be enlightened individuals including (self-proclaimed) 'Sat' Gurus who make use of Gurbani, but they may not express their understanding quite like Nanak ji did or intended. I shudder at the idea that future generations may have to sit in Deras for satsangs because of lack of a rigid scholarly body in Sikhi.....

Dalsingh101 ji has described this in a very well manner.

I am not very experienced to answer in depth. But it all depends on sharada. None of the spiritually enlightened Mahapurkhs will claim to be "Sat" Gurus.

Someone apologized for the actions of the shooter at the Candlelight Vigil and prayed for forgiveness. It was amazing to see people of different backgrounds get together to help overcome this situation.

A reliable source of understanding gurbani is by listening to a mahapurakh brahmgiani's katha :biggrin2:

If it is based on word of mouth, what would happen after thousands of years, as has happend with Christianity where there are different stories in different Gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke, John etc, some differing greatly).

Brahmgianis and mahapurakhs will always be on earth

1947 proved we r a martial community, we chopped muslims into pieces from our areas n also sent the rest of em packin. i say this coz they started it, and we finished it! With massive difference in popualtion sizes, we showed em/whoever started the violence not 2 mess with us. We dont discriminate or start fights, but we aint gona get mugged off.

Although I agree with most of your post veerji. I just had to comment on this. We killed a lot of innocent muslims then. Thats not right to glorify that act. And I say this with personal family members going to kill innocent muslims then coming back and acting tough. That era is not something to glorify.

And did you know, in Malerkotla, Punjab Guru Gobind Singh Ji Maharaj had given a bachan that the muslims in Malerkotla (a fair majority of the city) will remain unharmed throughout the ages and they have, not one was effected in 1947. So such a statement is not right.

Apparently now the officials say that Wade Micheals committed suicide and was not killed by the officer.

"REVEALED: Neo-Nazi Sikh temple shooter shot himself dead in the head after killing six in Wisconsin massacre"

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2185468/Wisconsin-shooting-Wade-Michael-Page-shot-head-killing-six.html#ixzz22yXdcVvQ

Oh man. This is so harmful! Causes such a bad image of us. And especially to us Sikh Sangat living in USA. We will be seen as haters. WOW this is making me so mad! We already get targeted because of our saroop and ignorance about it now this too! Way to go.... and ruin it for all of us.

Bro I don believe it's tht far fetched look at James Holmes what was his objective why would he kill all those innocent ppl at the movie theater in Colorado? Nd did u know the guy in yesterday's shooting also served in the army from 92-98! I don know if uve heard anything bout FBI nd CIA training assassins or about mind control nd hypnosis ?

James Holmes might be mentally unstable which provoked him to carry out such an operation. I read that after the shooting he still felt like he was in a movie even long after he was locked up.

JSinghz, those people holding those signs have been swayed to defame Sikhs in general.

Why would Sikhs say US Govnt shame shame? I'm American and proud. The fault lies in the shooter and what fuels the hate/ignorance - partly the media and mostly our own (Sikh's fault) for not being able to tell about our own identity.

We're waking up now though faster than ever. A lot of people are doing good job creating awareness.

I am an American Sikh also and very proud of it. These sorts of protest will just spread more ignorance in the American population. What does the government have to do with this attack? Yes I do agree that they should maybe revise their gun laws and make them more strict. But US Government is not to blame for this incident it is the shooter and himself alone. I believe that every Sikh in American should take it upon themselves to educate people about our religion.

Pictured: Shooter who gunned down six at Sikh temple who was vocal member of Nazi punk band and was kicked out of the army

Shooter named as Wade Michael Page

Worked in psychological operations in Fort Bliss and Fort Bragg

Was previously a missile repair man

Was kicked out of the army in 1998

Alleged to have broken up with girlfriend Misty - who was student at University of Milwaukee and has an autistic son

Was killed by police officer after he shot six people at Sikh temple

Victims include temple president Satwant Kaleka, 65, who tried to stop him

Priest Parkash Singh, in his thirties, also killed

Lt Brian Murphy in hospital after being ambushed helping a victim

Three victims in hospital with life-threatening injuries

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2184038/Wisconsin-Sikh-temple-shooting-Oak-Creek-gunman-Wade-Michael-Page-pictured.html#ixzz22moQALqU

Cant this forum be used by us to show authorities that there may be more hate crimes brewing?

Is Giani Ji's number on Facebook the correct one? Is that the only way to contact Baba ji?

It was back in 2007 at New Life Church and the security guard was a female i think.

Oh wow I never heard of that and I am from there

You know I was thinking the same thing like how come we don't have any sort of security guards since it seems like we are being targeted. I did not write that on here because I know some people would be like anyone can come to the Gurdwara so therefore we don't need security guards. I was watching a video on youtube and the white guy was talking about i believe couple years ago there was a shooting in Colorado but they had a security guard who was able to fire back at the shooter and save hundreds of people who were inside the church. We can certainly implement something like that at our Gurdwara's too I don't think there is nothing wrong with that because we would be protecting our Gurdwaras and our people.

I haven't heard about this shooting in Colorado

I live in the USA this is such a saddening incident. Waheguru bless those souls. This is such a horrible incident that occurred to our community. I have heard (its just a rumor not a fact) that the shooter had "9-11" tattooed on his arm.

So hurtful and painful something like this happening to our brothers and sisters.

Why wouldn't you be able to ?

I think Salman Khan's role as a sardar in Heroes was pretty good, and Sunjay Dutt's role as a sardar in Sarhad Paar was also very good.

And yes I did mention that there is Katha going on outside by the Akal Takhat Sahib but why can't it be done inside where the Kirtan takes place? I guess that's really my question. It should be given the same attention. And why does it have to be one over the other? Both revolve around Sikhi so I really don't see why it can't be done more often and that too inside by the Guru Granth Sahib ji.

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Because Bhenji Kirtan is Gurbani and Gurbani is Guru. Katha, like I stated above, may be opinionated. Inside Sachkhand Sri Harmandir Sahib only Gurbani should be recited because its the truth and its our Guru. Therefore Kirtan and Katha cannot be compared because Kirtan is Gurbani.

I may be wrong so bhul chuk maaf. But I feel that a lot of katha from many Kathavachiks is opinionated and in Harmandir Sahib only the truth must be heard which is Gurbani.

But if there used to be katha in Guru Ji's time then I ask for forgiveness for my above statement.

Is it that Haram.zada Bachchan doing the voiceover?

No its Ajay Devgun

I was disturbed when he said "jeh sardar na hothe toh jokes kis peh banate"

Why is there always a picture of a lion beneath baba ji ? I remember reading about it a long time ago but I can't remember.