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3.) Why is an amritdhari Sikh allowed to do chaur sahib over Guru Sahibaan?

I never knew that only an amritdhari Sikh is allowed to do chaur sahib. I'm not amritdhari I have done chaur sahib a few times.

Thats what it seemed like to me I watched it like 5 times

OMG this thread went so off topic lol

I didn't say anything bad about him all I said was that is what I have heard about him.

I heard he had protested against the movement in 1984 and stated that Punjab should keep peace with India? Maybe I am wrong but that is what I have heard.

Saat sangat ji, Satsriakal!

In summary, I do think women should be allowed to vote, read bani from the Palki and participate in spiritual matters. But I don't espouse them wearing whatever they please or trying to force them to be in the army just to compete against men.

There are MANY things I disagree with on you post. For example I strongly disagree with your statement about 1984. However that is not what I am going to address.

But this portion that you wrote about really struck me. You say you have learned a lot about Sikh History, well then you must have heard about Mai Bhago or Mai Bhag Kaur. I suggest you look her up on google, and realize that she was a woman who fought. And that there are several women like her.

Just a question, what about non Sikhs who have utmost respect for Guru Granth Sahib, they read bani do path and know the basics but get married to a Sikh? What does it mean to accept Sikhi then partake in anand karaj? I know of a non Sikh girl who got married to a Sikh Guy in a Gurdwara and now she does a lot of seva at the Gurdwara does path and reads bani. So where do we define if someone is doing anand karaj without any respect and understanding vs respect and understanding?

I personally do not agree with two people partaking in Anand Karaj Ceremony who do not believe in Guru Sahib or Gurbani. If they do not accept Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaj as their Guru then what is the point of partaking in Anand Karaj?

I'm sorry DalbirSingh but I strongly object to the inclusion of any mention of Allah in the Sikh scriptures. Muslims have siezed on this and used this as some sort of proof that Sikhs should convert to Islam because they acknowledge Allah.

Allah is a fabrication made by a peadophile, rapist, thief, warlord (Muhammad), purely to further his own materialistic and political desires.

It is a mockery of all things Sikh to include anything associated with such a despicable person.

Allah is a name for Akal Purakh Waheguru Ji.

ਬਾਬਾ ਅਲਹੁ ਅਗਮ ਅਪਾਰੁ ॥

Bābā alhu agam apār.

O Baba, the Lord Allah is Inaccessible and Infinite.

Ang 53

ਅਲਾਹੁ ਅਲਖੁ ਅਗੰਮੁ ਕਾਦਰੁ ਕਰਣਹਾਰੁ ਕਰੀਮੁ ॥

Alāhu alakẖ agamm kāḏar karanhār karīm.

He is Allah, the Unknowable, the Inaccessible, All-powerful and Merciful Creator.

Ang 64

ਅਲਹੁ ਗੈਬੁ ਸਗਲ ਘਟ ਭੀਤਰਿ ਹਿਰਦੈ ਲੇਹੁ ਬਿਚਾਰੀ ॥

Alhu gaib sagal gẖat bẖīṯar hirḏai leho bicẖārī.

Allah is hidden in every heart; reflect upon this in your mind.

Ang 483

ਕੋਈ ਸੇਵੈ ਗੁਸਈਆ ਕੋਈ ਅਲਾਹਿ ॥੧॥

Ko▫ī sevai gus▫ī▫ā ko▫ī alāhi. ||1||

Some serve Him as 'Gusain', others as 'Allah'. ||1||

Ang 885

ਏਕੋ ਅਲਹੁ ਪਾਰਬ੍ਰਹਮ ॥੫॥੩੪॥੪੫॥

Ėko alhu pārbarahm. ||5||34||45||

The Muslim God Allah and the Hindu God Paarbrahm are one and the same. ||5||34||45||

Ang 897

Therefore that is quite an ignorant thing to say. Allah and Waheguru are the same. You may disagree with Islam and Muhammad but Allah is another name for Waheguru. Muslims may use Allah for different purposes. But for a Sikh, Allah is another word for Waheguru like God, Ram etc. So its disrespectful to say anything towards the name Allah.

ignorant - have you had periods? Urine is dirty and blood from there is all clean lets bathe in it. Sorry to be offensive but I dont agree

Well you do realize that the menstruation blood comes from the Uterus, not the bladder. And everyone including you stayed in that uterus for 9 months.

Only five ji, the points you made earlier were very interesting. When I had read this tuk I had a lot of confusion because according to the rest of the shabad, this tuk did not seem like it can be implied to manmat. The rest of the shabad is about Akal Purakh Waheguru Ji Sacheh patshah ji is Ajooni therefore that is why I thought maybe the translation is incorrect. But this Gurbani Tuk can be interpreted to represent the pyaar one may have for Waheguru Ji.

For example Guru Gobind Singh Ji's shabad,

ਯਾਰੜੇ ਦਾ ਸਾਨੂੰ ਸੱਥਰੁ ਚੰਗਾ ਭਠ ਖੇੜਿਆ ਦਾ ਰਹਿਣਾ ॥

Yararrae Dha Sanoon Sathhar Changa Bhath Khaerria Dha Rehina ||

Guru Sahib Ji uses the story of Ranjha and Heer as a metaphor to exemplify the love and quest for Waheguru Ji.

Maybe Guru Sahib Ji is trying to say that, that is how much pyaar he has for Akal Purakh Ji the love being represented as the love between a preetam and preetam's pyaareh how a preetam's pyaareh would rather die before the preetam dies. That love between the preetam and preetam's pyaareh is like how one loves Satguru Ji.

I may be COMPLETELY wrong about all of this but its just a way of interpreting Gurbani.

Wow veerjii thank you so much for sharing this story with me it really clears up the definition behind this Gurbani Tuk. I never knew about Gurmukh Singh Ji.

Waheguru Waheguru Waheguru

:waheguru: :waheguru: :waheguru: :waheguru:

I don't listen to much rap or any music matter of fact but there is this one rapper that I have recently been exposed to his name is Lupe Fiasco. He always raps about corruption, respect for women, government, corruption, rights etc. So I suppose not all rap is bad.

This kind of rap music etc will help us realize the corruption and what is going on in this world we live in. For example, by listening to some of this guy's songs I have learned about so many things that go on in American politics etc etc.

However, Kirtan is what will help us grow in Sikhi and be closer to Akal Purakh like ghatak ji mentioned.

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh

Sangat Ji as I was doing path from Maharaj, I came across a tuk on ang 83.

ਮਃ ੨ ॥

Ma 2 ||

Second Mehl:

ਜਿਸੁ ਪਿਆਰੇ ਸਿਉ ਨੇਹੁ ਤਿਸੁ ਆਗੈ ਮਰਿ ਚਲੀਐ ॥

Jis Piaarae Sio Naehu This Aagai Mar Chaleeai ||

Die before the one whom you love;

ਧ੍ਰਿਗੁ ਜੀਵਣੁ ਸੰਸਾਰਿ ਤਾ ਕੈ ਪਾਛੈ ਜੀਵਣਾ ॥੨॥

Dhhrig Jeevan Sansaar Thaa Kai Paashhai Jeevanaa ||2||

To live after he dies is to live a worthless life in this world. ||2||

Can someone please explain the context of this tuk?

Bhul Chuk Maaf

Thank you sangat ji but I also wanted to say that I do speak and understand punjabi very well but a lot of the kathas I tried to listen to were very deep and went above my comprehension due to my lack of gian.

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh

I'm pretty sure this topic may have been discussed elsewhere but I could not find it. Recently I have really been striving to listen to some katha for inspiration and I started listening to a few of Giani Sant Singh Maskeen Ji's kathas however it all went above my comprehension. I was wondering if Sangat Ji could list some sadhi, simple katha which is easy to comprehend for someone like me who does not have much gian.

Bhul Chuk Maaf

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh

I think its mostly because the bride is decked up wearing a long lehnga and all so just to help her and make sure she doesn't fall.

G) wearing a patka with the joora at the back of your head with an open beard

Maybe I am not understanding but what is the harm in this ??

Beat the committee members who stand in opposition to progress. What do you think?

LOL veerji that is absolutely true! :lol2:

A LOT of the time the committee stands in the way of any sort of progress. What to do about the committee members?

I think the parents have a strong influence in a girl's life. A lot of parents just care about either making money, looking nice, socially acceptable etc etc. First off children of both gender should not be allowed to participate in activities that demean themselves. For example, if a mother sees her daughter walk outside wearing a tank top and mini skirt, it shouldn't be allowed it should be stopped by the parents. If a son comes home late night drunk, parents should not be ok with it. Most cases we see that parents are very lenient with children thinking that they are in a western country therefore children are just adapting. This is wrong mentality. Also I believe that sometimes parents do not do a good job in instilling Sikhi values into their children. And parents are just too lenient sometimes.

However we can't blame parents for all of it though. Because sometimes parents try everything they can to raise their child right but the child turns out to do such acts. So I am not advocating that only parents are at fault but sometimes it can be the parents and how they raise their child.

re anand karaj - i heard back in the day only those who have had chhaked amrit (charan or khanda di pahul) could partake in mariage. if this is true... we should try and maintain this tradition as much as possible.

Well Veerji wouldn't this exclude sehajdhari Sikhs who have not yet taken Amrit but are on the path to do so or sehajdhari Sikhs who are not amritdhari but read lots of bani and naam simran?

There is even one sakhi in suraj Parkas Granth(read it long back...could not remember the exact details) where One Woman was not allowed to enter in Maharaj ji's Room bcz She was menstruating.

If you could find this saakhi can you share it with the sangat? I would like to know the circumstances surrounding this saakhi.

Dhanvaad :biggrin2:

Brother I will be content if you can find any Hukumnama from Guru Sahib or any reliable GURMAT source that claims that menstruation causes a problem to suchta? I understand that touching your eyes, ears, mouth will cause problem to suchamta. But not to be explicit brother, once again there is a large difference between menstruation and touching your eyes, ears, and mouth. Brother I'm not trying to argue or debate I am just asking for a Hukumnama or any reliable GURMAT source supporting your claim.

Brother there is a huge difference between a wound and a woman menstruating. No matter how many biology classes one takes etc etc only a woman would be able to understand this. Waheguru Akal Purakh created this natural system. Brother you make it sound like it is a curse to be menstruating because we cannot do path from Maharaj Ji during this time. Guru Sahib is our father yes we are to keep as much suchta as we can around maharaj, I dont believe it is right to exclude women just because its their time of the month.