Bundha

When a spiritual soul comes down to Maat-lokh those from SatchKhand look for a worthy womb. They will wait until a mother also of high spiritual level is available and send the soul down to her. So it follows that the mother, who is already on Guru’s path would do naam/simran when she becomes pregnant for her baby.

When mother (or anyone) does naam/simran for herself then that benefit will go to her, if she does it for her unborn then that benefit will go to the baby. This is not restricted to unborn babies, if you do naam/simran in someone else’s name then all the benefit will go to them.

Infact, if you see a funeral procession going by make a point of doing a Chaupai Sahib or 5 Mool Mantras (or both!) for that body going by and the benefit will reach its soul, wherever it is.

Just think, maybe that soul may not have done much simran, infact most people don’t do any, and the soul is stuck some place, now you do Chaupai Sahib and that reaches the soul and it is let through whatever restriction it was in, how much thanks and blessing will that soul give to the person who has just helped it in such a frightening situation, you will have helped the soul move on and you will get blessing from your Guru also. One of the reason why we do a sehaj paath when a person dies.

Not just a funeral procession, if you see a road kill and an animal is lying dead do a chaupai Sahib for it and it will reach its soul. You are now doing “par-upkaar” and your Guru will be very pleased with you. 

Baba Ram Rai Ji resides in SatchKhand. They were son of Guru Ji and they played their part as they were instructed by AkaalPurkh.

When Yudhisthira finally went to satchkand who would he meet sitting infornt of him but Dharyodhan. He was puzzled how can he be here when he was such an egotistical trouble maker on earth. It was explained to him that they are all such elevated spiritual souls and they are allsent to maat-lokh to play their part as instructed by AkaalPurkh.

In the same way Baba Ram Rai Ji played his part, it is all part of our ithaas. We may not have anything to do with the Ram-Rai's but have total respect for Baba Ji.

It is said the Maharaja Ranjit Singh knew of Guru Jis bachan and in all humility said that if my bloodline ceases then so be it but we must build a gurdawara where Guru Ji ascended to satch khand.

One from my better half, K. Kaur.

Thanks guys, the pictures are no where near how I envisage them in my mind, I suppose that is the limitation of my ability, but its all Gurus kirpa.

I use felt pens that blend together and watercolour pencils and pastels.

I like the suggestion of Chandi yudh. Durga on her lion in combat with the dhents, I think I will try this (even though I may be accused of Durga puja myself )

But first I fancy another DNA type picture. 

Bhai Jasaa Singh Ji, I am surprised by your question. You do not believe it ? The bani of your Guru and you are questioning it ?

Shame on you yaar !

I make no apologies. I make absolutely no apologies !!!

Even these Vidhwaans have made mistakes, there is a concerted effort to bring down Baba Ji.

Any Tom, D*ck or Harry can right a book and a half and purport to be an expert. They know nothing.

Baba Banda Singh Ji is up there with our glorious sahibzadahi and Baba Deep Singh Ji.

The Sikhs would say that it was "Khalsa Dhi Fateh", Baba Banda Singh Ji had darshan of Guru Gobind Singh Ji 24/7 and he would say "Guru Dhi Fateh".

We cannot sing Baba Ji's praises enough. Shame on you fools who thing the contrary.

It makes my blood boil!

I namaskar a thousand times to the charan of Baba Banda Singh Ji.

Wow, must be a record!

Only third reply and we start Banda (Ji) bashing :-((

Gurbani calls the world false; so how would they call any of these people you mentioned real.

Shows your own lack of understanding.

This world is false, yet Guru Ji says that our aatma is immortal, so how do you reconcile this?

These "people" you so call, also have aatma so they are as real or false as you or I.

At the beginning of Anand Sahib Ji Guru Amar Das Ji mentions “Parriya gavan aiyha”. Parriya are celestial beings with wings, what the west call angels, yet Guru Ji mentions them. Guru Ji would not have mentioned them if these were made up things.

The devis/devtays , Raavan, Hanuman etc etc are mentioned in shabads to illustrate a point, but they are only used because they were/are real, Guru Ji does not deal with untruths.

When Guru Arjan Dev Ji were compiling Guru Granth Sahib Ji many spiritual people came to offer their compositions. Guru Ji read and contemplated them and if they were not in line with Gurmukh thought then they were rejected. If there were any untruths in them they were rejected, so everything in Guru Granth Sahib Ji is the truth, Guru Ji does not deal with untruths, so if these beings are mentioned, in whatever context, then they are real.

Dasam Granth recites exploits of the chaubise avatar, if these were made up stories then Guru Ji would have rejected them, as they did with offered compositions in their fifth saroop. Guru Ji does not deal with untruth made up stories.

Bhaji, you said it, Guru Ji also writes in poetic sense. Yes, they write in poetic sense but the mistake we make is that things we don’t like we say they are poetic, you cannot pick and choose. Where Guru Ji is using poetic sense and metaphors then this can be seen and is beautiful, where Guru Ji gives straight forward references then we need to acknowledge.

Dasam Granth Sahib Ji writes about chaubis avatar, are these all metaphors? Each section for each avatar, metaphor? The largest composition is Krishan Avatar, metaphor? There are three chandi dhi vaars, metaphors?

Guru Nanak Dev Ji in a shabad talks about Ravan, metaphor?

Ang 1410

Without the Guru, there is no spiritual wisdom; without Dharma, there is no meditation.

Without Truth, there is no credit; without capital, there is no balance. ||23||

The mortals are sent into the world; then, they arise and depart.

There is no joy in this. ||24||

Raam Chand, sad at heart, assembled his army and forces.

The army of monkeys was at his service; his mind and body became eager for war.

Raawan captured his wife Sita, and Lachhman was cursed to die.

O Nanak, the Creator Lord is the Doer of all; He watches over all, and destroys what He has created. ||25||

In his mind, Raam Chand mourned for Sita and Lachhman.

Then, he remembered Hanuman the monkey-god, who came to him.

The misguided demon did not understand that God is the Doer of deeds.

O Nanak, the actions of the Self-existent Lord cannot be erased. ||26||

The city of Lahore suffered terrible destruction for four hours. ||27||

Agreed, devis / devtay hold no significance for a Sikh , they are lower entities and are forms of joons like ours but if Guru Sahib Ji acknowledges their existence then who are we to deny it?

It is so easy to call everything a metaphor, rather it is deep down our lack of understanding.

Guru Granth Sahib Ji would not mention anything that was made up or mythology. Guru Ji talks the truth.

If Guru Ji talks of Krishan Ji, Ram Ji, Hanuman, Ravan, dhents, devis, kinars, ghandarvas, Parya, then it is the truth.

none of it is mythology :-)

Bhaji, this is not manmat.

Khalsa recited Chandi dhi vaar because of bir rass that was needed for the tumultuous times that they lived in when battle was an ever present thing.

Chandi dhi vaar is an account of chandi doing battle with the dhents, in essence you are remembering chandi, and what happens when you keep remembering someone? that person will come.

Why do we recite GURBANI? so that Guru will come, that we will be close to the Guru, that we will merge into the shabad.

You keep reciting chandi dhi vaar and Chandi will come. and who has the naam/simran or spiritual level to be able to endure her terrible form? Once she comes she ain't going anywhere then how you going to get rid of her? You do not know, you are in a mess now.

I would suggest if you want to do bani from Dasam Granth Sahib Ji, recite Akaal Ustat. Infact recite the first chaupai from Akaal Ustat - Pranvo aadh ekan-kara recite this day and night whenever you are doing your daily work . . . . . and Guru Gobind Singh Ji will come for sure. Who would you rather have Guru Sahib Ji or Chandi?

Thanks guys I will try :-)