curioustoknow

There are many similar attributes in all religions, after seeing ur other post I am beginning to think ur implying (indirectly) that Guru Nanak Dev Ji took other religions and mixed them to create Sikhi. Am I right?

What I am saying its that maybe he did not, but the same God came to him as came to all the other prophets. In Islam, it is said that there were 160,000 prophets sent to all nations and people. We do not know who those prophets were because prophet Muhammad was the last.

Maybe just maybe Guru Nanaak was sent from God as a reminder of what came hundreds of years earlier because the people had already began to stray and twist and mix the message that Prophet Muhammad had come with.

This does not mean he did this himself.

I get this reasoning from the instance when Guru Nanaak was asked to pray at the local masjid and he agreed but he did not pray because the people were not focused on worship, they were focused on other things

It had nothing to do with magic...water had magnetic qualities and it had been proven that without the magnetic pull of the Mon and the movement of water life would be non existent. Magic is a backward word...magic is science that wet haven't figured out yet

Oh and please try not to talk bad about other religions, everyone had a purpose and if everything happens according to Gods will then you are mocking and criticizing God...you can't tell me that most of the inhabitants of the world believe in this story and there's no truth in it, and btw check your story...eve was a gift from God to Adam, he didn't"mess up"and have to create another

There are many planes of life and understanding, once you reach a certain level of understand you may be able to cross over into another dimension where there are inhabitants that reside now, our simple human understanding of life cannot take us to the next"level" that is why we must meditate and come to a greater understanding. We achieve such goals by surpassing or fulfilling life s needs and desires, this is how a monk can life for years without food while the average human being can only survive a few months human addiction is one thing that holds us back from moving on to higher levels and somehow we have to be able to overcome this. Human addiction is simply this...when we are young and going through puberty, the one thing on our mind is pleasing the opposite sex, then once we get through that stage, we want to please our mate, or our friends, or our family...life can be one long string of who to please next. We have to break that string and I have heard said that this is the hardest and ultimate trial before we are able to move to the next plane...I have never witnessed it but I have heard of people disappearing completely because I've you move on to the next dimension you are no longer physically visible. You can see those around you clearly, but its like looking at a piece of paper you can see a wide range however those still on the paper can only see what is around them.

Sorry for my ramble, but this us actually in line with some if the cherokee teachings.there is actually a place where shamans can go to to meditate and actually disappear through solid rock. Like I said,I have never personally witnessed this, but it is a known belief and a progressing science...right now scientists have theorized the existence of 11 different dimensions but are not sure how to travel between them...ironically native Americans have been doing it for thousands of years

I understand but it just seems in every one of the threads I have posted in someone accuses me if being a liar and that's one of the worst things you can accused of

Look, you guys keep doubting me I don't care...just inform me and stop harassing me!

You say clear, I say I'm uninformed/misinformed because it seems the sikhs I have talked with do not believe in these things...also those statements are not contradictory but seem to go hand in hand if I an incorrect about sikhism...please inform me

I was asked this question on another thread but it stayed from the OP so I decided to start a new thread.

1. I don't know that much about it. It took 4 years of studying to find Islam, it took 15 years of consciously studying christianity to realize the holes. I would be marked a liar and a fraud if I accepted a belief I know so little about. It has only been just over a year since I originally found out about sikhism and I just don't know enough.

2. Sikhism just doesn't go deep enough for me. I am a total believer in interdimensional beings. Believe that we do share our existence with many other creatures. Which, so far have not been explained to me yet by any sikhs except that they don't believe that. And no matter the reasoning I have given they continue to refuse to believe. As far as I can tell, sikhism doesn't pre date Guru Nanaak. As great a person as he was,I think there had got to be some misconception that just because he didn't talk about it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Islam goes back to the creation of the universe and integrates with Jewish and pre Jewish prophets and teachings.

In my opinion the gurus came to expand on the messages previously revealed.and maybe that could be one reason why there is no historical insight in sikhism. I believe that most religions stemmed from the same origins yet were changed by man as time went on. Hinduism, Buddhism, Mayans, cherokee, and loss of other ancient cultures came from one understanding. I feel deeply connected to many people and many faiths, but not modern renditions if those faiths.

I speak or a lot against hatred and racism and I really try to inform people of brotherly love but to be honest some of the sikh ideals, like a requirement to fight...I am so not a fighter and I would stand up for anyone, but when it comes to fighting physically,I am a wuss...sorry I know it seems so menial, but that scares me...

curious to know,, were you born a muslim?

no I was not, I have embraced the core Islam of submission to the one true God, I believe I always had, but I just couldn't find it in all the confusion of christianity

just a question why did you leave your ancestral cherokee traditions for islam?...native american spiritual beliefs are my miles ahead of islam in my opinion..no offence

I didn't, it was a hundred years in the making, my ancestors were forced to convert to christianity in the late 1800s I feel like since I have left christianity I have been able to connect more with my roots...loss of things that my great aunts and great grandmother taught me about rituals and the basic beliefs were seen as magic by Christians and completely shunned, when in fact, it is a science and is proven to be effective even more so than medicines.if we embrace nature and use what had been given to us by God instead of putting our trust in mankind to fix our problems we will be way better off

Take the modern Islam out of your eyes and remember that to be a Muslim just means that you submit to the will of God, the one true God, and that you testify that there is no other God besides him and him alone its worthy of worship...this is Islam not what Muslim have turned into

"curioustoknow"

Thanks for sharing your views. You are very welcome on Sikhsangat. My humble request to you is to feel free to ask anything you want to about Sikhi and one or more of us will try to share (not lecture or teach as we're all learning) whatever knowledge Guru Sahib has blessed us with. We sincerely hope you are here to learn about Sikhi, and since we don't believe in proselytizing you don't need to worry about any of us trying to "convert" you to Sikhi . And I hope this trust is mutual and runs both ways

thank you! And absolutely, don't worry about me trying to convert yall either, IMO, you guys are Muslim already :-) as far as I can tell, sikhs bow to the will of the one God and that's what being a Muslim is all about

I don't know about running water. But yes, water is important in Sikhi. We also use water in baptism, and there is research done by some Japanese scientists that water has a memory.and it turns into beautiful crystals when reading prayers to it, and deformed crystals when cussing/anger is shown near it.

interesting...I'll have to look into that

Thank you for your story.

Your life is so interesting!

Thank you :-) I'll bet your story is interesting too :-) especially to someone like me who its ignorant of your culture and beliefs. What may seem ordinary to some is entrancing to others :-)

I know because lots of the people I met in the road were much like me with similar stories, yet some people find it hard to believe there ate people like us out there....and yes I do work only for my rent to be paid...after that,God takes very good care of us and I trust in him completely to continue doing so...

People telling a story of how they converted to Islam....on a Sikh forum??

I'm sorry, was that a problem? Someone asked my story so I posted about it...please I am asking yall to have extra patience with me as I don't really know much about sikhism or what may be considered disrespectful to a sikh...but I do know that every event leading to where a person its today is important in where and how that person will end up.

I will never stop asking the question or telling my story because I want people to realize that they can come to an inner peace through love, patience, understanding, and tolerance

We all have a role to play in this life...and every role is important

Salaamu Alaykum to everyone here, I wish peace on yall and no harm to anybody

So I was doing some research on the life story of guru Nanaak, and came across the part where he went into the river for the days, now even though I am a Muslim,I have studied the Torah and the gospels quite extensively and immediately the story of Jesus (Isa) came to my mind add I was researching guru Nanaak.

Do you think there is a correlation between running water and enlightenment? Now I understand that only those whom God wills, will be enlightened, however, maybe there is a methodology to it?

I have to say that you guys are super cool! It seems that I did not know even what sikhism was before about a year ago and now I look for sikhs everywhere I go to wish them peace! I hardly ever see yall without a smile on your face and since I wish no harm to anyone,I believe and feel in my heart that some of the most trustworthy people MUST be sikhs!

Now, as my signature says,I am a Muslim, but I must admit that most Muslims I meet, and I say this with a very sad heart, cannot be trusted. When I first found Islam I felt I should be able to trust my brothers and sisters, but have found this to be folly.

I hope I am not wrong in my thinking that in general, sikhs are good people with good hearts. It seems I would proudly surround myself with sikh friends even though I don't believe sikhism is right for me....

Question though...I haven't meet that many sikhs, but was wondering, do any of yall wear the kirpan? (you really don't have to answer that question) I have never seen anyone wear it and if I did,I would be in total awe

Know that muslims fought sikhs in the name of Allah, but out does not mean that it was approved of by Him...why is it so hard to believe that there were many other enlightened people than just those directly associated with or religion? Are you going to tell me that before sikhism, the people had no guidance? There are more great people than just those recently that came...not to downplay our overcast the gurus or the martyrs associated with sikhism...this is not my intent...I promise. :-)

Can someone please explain to me what is happening here?

I have total respect for the ladies who keep the hair to uphold their faith! Each one of us are tested and those who come out in the good will be rewarded! Keep it up and stay strong!

I think your a liar. Who works for nothing but just lets some one pay the rent. How did you pay bills, food, clothes look after your kids? That is just stupid. your story is ridiculous, native american lori who found allah - like where? Oh yeah when somone asks you something you just change the story abit. Like he doesn't really have family his friends are his family is what i meant. how old are you do you think we are all teenages and can't see when someone is chatting bob. now eff off.

Wow...seriously? Is cool if you don't believe me, but do you have to be so mean? I mean not compare myself to such a great man, but take Guru Nanaak as just an small example, and please don't take offense it, please, but he kind if led the same life, am I right?

I mean why is it so hard to believe that a person does not care about material possessions or money or all of these worthless things will not get you anywhere but stressed out?

My story is true and I don't care what you think, but try to be just a little bit understanding...and I'm truly sorry if I offended anyone

Growing up I hid my cherokee identity, we were not accepted socially, and people are /were very racist against us. Even the media shows us as barbaric scantily clad savages which is totally not the case.

Anyways my parents made me study the Bible (Torah and gospels) every day of my childhood, but I want satisfied with what I was learning. It just didn't seem to be complete, it seemed everyone I knew that claimed to be Christian did not incorporate all of the teachings, only what they wanted to to make their life satisfactory and justifiable to God.

But where I was failing, was I was worshipping God for the praise of the people and not for the pleasure of God. So I believe that God set in motion a series of events that eventually led me away from christianity.

I began living the life of a gypsy. I left everything I knew behind and hit the road. I worked from place to place. Wherever I would go, I would have a place because I would be working. And I allowed homeless travelers to stay with me on the floor. I would lock myself in a bedroom and leave early in the morning to either work or find work and not come home till late

And when I would come home, we would gather in a circle and have deep philosophical conversions. I got to know all kinds of people with all kinds of backgrounds and cultures and beliefs. This is one reason I would love to see the world come together...I never fought with anyone and if any if us disagreed, we respected each other and agreed to disagree, but we did not separate or ways because of our beliefs.

I lived this way for about three and a half years until I began to feel the need to settle down and have a family. So , I moved across the country to Washington state and was introduced to the quran. I had the opportunity to read it and knew that thatis where I needed to be...however...I will never stop looking and researching for answers.

I don't know all the questions, but as long as I keep looking I will continue knowing

One conclusion I have reached is that everyone has a role to play in this world and tobe successful in completing or life tasks we have to enjoin to compliment and contrast so as to come to a complete understanding.

I am a firm advocate of equality and I hate racism sexism and discrimination. I speak out a lot against these things and have dedicated the rest of my life to raising my children and supporting the minorities or the opposed...I don't have riches, power, or material possessions, but none if that is needed to achieve the best status in God `s eyes.

I hope to die with nothing because I can take nothing with me :-) and I hope my children grow to be just like me with their own ideas and understanding of the world

sorry curioustoknow but i think your a wind up merchant, just going by your post, like i said sorry you may be 100% honest but i doubt it.

not sure what you guys mean by this but I assume you mean you don't believe my story? It's cool, I'm not asking you to believe I am just asking for advice

As for my journey to Islam, I'll start a new thread because the story is long :-)

But I'll think about what you guys have said, no matter how strong my feelings are for, I guess I'll just hold off and try to move on...and I'm not a guy....

sorry curioustoknow but i think your a wind up merchant, just going by your post, like i said sorry you may be 100% honest but i doubt it.

not sure what you guys mean by this but I assume you mean you don't believe my story? It's cool, I'm not asking you to believe I am just asking for advice

As for my journey to Islam, I'll start a new thread because the story is long :-)

But I'll think about what you guys have said, no matter how strong my feelings are for, I guess I'll just hold off and try to move on...and I'm not a guy....

if a river flows smoothly it brings life to land.....if a river doesn't follow its correct path and erodes its banks then it brings destruction.....it is bad that both of you let yourselves get to this bad state. In my opinion both of you forget what happened and seperate completely otherwise both of you and your families will be ruined. The correct social custom is that a person marries to the same as their own i.e., sikh marries sikh, muslim marries muslim, hindu marries hindu etc. im sulare their are many other people of your own origin that can satisfy your passions and attachments.

I am not native Arabian or even from any kind of Muslim culture, I an native American of the cherokee tribe, and I don't have a family...I am me, alone in this world, you can't imagine how I look at the world and see so much separation and destruction and long with all of my heart to see a joined society with no hate, racial separation or discrimination

Singh and I live in a culturally disgusting society that tells us everyday all day it is okay what we were doing to have realized that we were wrong and change is a huge feat

He is alone as well with no family

I forgot to mention, the family I spoke of earlier of his is just his friends

He won't give me an answer...but seriously to be a Muslim means that you submit to the will if the one God...and as far as I can tell sikhs do that an I right? Islam is very simple it's muslims that make it difficult. We have the same core principles same values, same morals same basic code of conduct and even very similar dress code...we are one, we just have to realize this and come together