Gupt daasan daas

a sikh of guru nanak dev je has to wear a turban and not cut any of there hair on there body, so ya keep ure beard if u gonna become sikh

and hopefully and most likley u will be accepted by other sikhs or by punjabees, but even if not, it is guru nanak dev je who were gonna try to please

it wont matter if they accept u or not, guru je will

but they prob will:)

bhula chuka maf

vaheguru

may guru je keep on sendin us gurmukhs and sevedaars like baba je

bhula chuka maf

raam rheem puraan kuraan anek kahin MATH EK NA MANYOO

now if balbir je u are saying "where does it say blow off devthai" if u mean where does it say they are false, dont worship them etc., gurbanee has many places where this is said

however

the POWER behind all these devthai, when dropathee was saved etc., was AKAAL PURKH

there wasone power, is, and will be

tthere is no point in worshipping the devtha

there was a power behind there good deeds

there was akaal purkh

akal purkh is supreme and the most powerful

but jus to clarify MYSELF

vaheguru is not OURS and the SIKHS alone

vaheguru is the one who is the most merciful and love giving

he will not send his child to hell simply for not being sikh

one on the last day will be judged on there actions, not if they wrre hindu, muslim, etc.

if u have done GOOD actions, then u will be accepted by guru je

sikhi is more universal than we think

im only SORT of begginin to see this by readin a little bit mor ebanee by w/e kirpa guur je does

so im defintley not sayin by worshipin raam and by sayin his name with each breath u will go to hell

but if u kno that there is a entity that is formless, and that it was that entity, and not raam chander himself, that did the good, then there is no point in worshipin raam

we shud worship the power behind everything, VAHEGURU

bhula chuka maf

when guru je talks aboutt he lamops, they are just expanding on the point NAAM THERO ARTHEE

in arthee hindus use candles

guru je says naam is ure arthee

and then lists all the things hinduss do in arthee and says since ure arthee is ure name, the name is this, the name is the joth is use to worship u in arthee

its about arthee

and sikhi u are 100 percent wrong taksal does not do havans, please tell me WHO u are asking, first u say taksal says its ok to do arthee, and shinda singh je, a chardi kala sevedaar in tornto cleared it out they do NOT for sure, and now u say taksal does havan

and if u wanna ask soeone wwe have many chardi kala taksalis here in tornto from taksal, who have stayed witht he jatha since sant kartaar singh jes times

bhula chuka maf

from wa i kno chalisas are importan tin taksal, its a really good thing

havan is forbidden

chlisas have been done through taksal history

and havans have onyl been done under fake jathedar dhummma, but I cannot say if it is a havan, i dunt go all the facts on it, he says it wasnt a havan, i dunt kkno

but he aint even a real jathedar so dont matter, hes a fake and a disgrace

taksal has never done havans

and veer je i think i tried to explain chaour in a copuple of my posts:)

bhula chuka maf

i jus wonderinn bout one thing

one of the main cores of chrisitainty is tha jesus was the messaih tha was predicted to come

but he did not even match up witht he propecies of the messaih given

i mean isnt tha y they call him CHRIST, there saviour and messaih

http://www.jewsforjudaism.org/jews-jesus/j...esus-index.html

so i dunt understand haha ifu cud answer

bhula chuka maf

there are many purtaan pics of guru je dating bak to there own times...

so i wudnt say this is a new trend

but to qworship them is false

and please dont compare sikhi and islaam

bhula chuuka maf

NAAM THERO ARTHEE

if guru je says naam is ure arthee

then y wud u take a dhaal and do arthee?

u aint even doin wa guru je telin u to do

if u wanna do there arthee, jaap naam

bhula chuka maf

thas a inccorect translation nfrom wa i kno veer je

NAAM thero arthee MAJAN MURARAI

it says naam is ure arthee( a devotinal prayer done by hindus to devthai) and naam is my like purifiyng bath

then the rest of the shsabad gors ion to to say tha its all about naam, this is the true arthee

and i aint taksals rep opr voice

jus cause i says somethindont mean taksal agree witit

but im sayin from wa i kno, which can obviously be wrong, taksla is agasint arthee as done by hindus

bhula chuka maf

well thas jasdev singh jes opinion

the site for taksal says NO

and from w/e ive knwon as a kid taksalis have always said tha stuff is bipran ke reeth

and gurbanee says the real arthee is naam

so wa u think im gonna pick?

bhula chuka maf

ya, matha sahib kaur was mother of khalsa

but guru je also had two wives, matha jeeto je and matha sundri je

and i dyunt hink they were 2 diff people due to reason stated above

bhula chuka maf

well ill talk to veer je when i can

but as far as ive talked to singhs as a little kid, and on the site, arthee is banned in taksal itself, the hindu way

i think wa jasdev singh je is sayi

we dont say nuthin to em

out of reespect to keep ektha

like taksal dont agrree with chatka either

but it wont start punkin nihang singhs when they do it, to keep the peace

but im almost 100 percent sure taksla is agasint arrthee

bhula chula maf

veer je i get wa u sayin

and i wud agree

if GURU JE HIMSELF handt told us wat the true ARTHEE IS

its NAAM

its like

if guru je says dont eat tha, it wont please me, eat this instea

and u go right ahead and eat wa guru je told u NOT TO EAT

and didnt eat wa guru je WANTS U TO EAT

dont make no sence does it

guru je true devotion is naam

if u want to show ure pyaar for them, NAAM is the arthee veer je

i think gurbanee is evry clear on this

chaour is a sign of resepct as was done in muslim courts, hindu courts, etc. its a universal sign of respect for a king

i think we discuessed tha already:D

bhula chuka maf

yoo nang singh man post more pics u got some rare ones

bhula chuka maf

as for ligthing joth

ive never belived this has anything to do with worship

joth has many good purposes

bugs do not ocme near

light( this was ESPECIALLY importnt for punjaab bak in dayz which had no electricity and defintley zlways needed a bak up light sourece contunioous for akhand paath to go)

and the gheeo can give a nice smell

it also has a very nice effect on the mind , a calming and soothing one, sort of sets the atmoshphere

but thas my 2 cents about joth

but i seriously doubt it has ANYTHING to do with worship

and the cocunut is a tradition coming from out gururs times

i think thas has somethin to do wit the fact that our gurus gave cocuntus to the susccesor guru je, but dont quote me, i aint sure o the reason

but intrestin about taksal, i found this while lookin for the cocunt reason, to see if there was anythin

once the Raagmala and complete Japji Sahib have been recited at the Bhog

(completion) of Sri Akhand Paath, a Jakara is not to be sounded and nor is the Fateh to be said. The Ardas is to begin immediately. Fateh is only to be announced after the Hukamnama has been ‘sounded’. Shabad Kirtan or discourses on Gurmat are to be conducted. If Shabads of Arti are recited then candles/lamps are not to be lit and waved around.

Along side the Sri Akhand Paath, Sri Japji Sahib must be continuously recited. Over the container of water, a coconut wrapped in white or saffron (not red) cloth is to be placed. Red string is not to be tied around the coconut or container. In order to create a pleasant atmosphere, incense sticks (air-fresheners, non-alcoholic fragrances etc) should be used. At night time, there should be additional lighting provisions in case the light bulbs or electricity fails. Ghee lamps can be used, but those which use paraffin, white spirit or gas, should not be used in the same room as the Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji. None of the Paathis are to be non-Amritdharee or those that have committed any of the cardinal sins (without having re-taken Amrit).

so guess u shud count taksal out for arthee

joth is explained, and i think thas the reason for cocunt, tradition, but ill check the reason

bhula chuka maf

ya i think t singh is the long post in namastang veer js post, the long quote

and its sort of funny to bein doin arthee and singi at the same time the true arthee is naam

bhula chuka maf

veer je i think i explained y we do chaour...

chaour is just a sign of respect, ad they are a KING

arthee is a hindu ritual

chaour is universal thing

the myuslim emeperors wud do it, the hindus maharajas wud do t, and the sikh gururs did it

but only the hindus did arthee

no muslim court( who werre the rulers of the time) did arthee of ther eking

but they all did chouar

this is a universal sign of respect

arthee is for hindus, thas a devotional ritual to them

bhula chuka maf

well veer je because this all has to do with gurbanee

GURBANEE is the guru

i agree

guru granth shaib is sargun saroop of vaheguuru

i nevere said they arnyt

buttt

that just doesnt mean worship the outside and never understand whats on the inisde

thas the most important parrt, the gurbanee

and GURBANEE is CLEAR on what the TRUE arthee is

NAAM THERO ARTHEE

naam is the TRUE arthee

and the reaosn fro chaour sahib is respect as the muslim emperors, ect shainshahs used to have chaour sahib done on them too

so sikhs did it for there guru as well

its to show they are shahai shanshah

arthee on the otherhand is done as a sign of devotion or worship

nbut guru je has showed us the true way to show our devotion, and pyaar

NAAM

and chaour sahib and arthee are totally differen tthings

arthee was never done for the emeporor or king, not to tha im aware

and no where in gurbanee have i read what the true chaur is , or chaour is pointles

sbut guru je has directly reffered to arthee in this

and what the true arthee is, and what we shud be doin

bhula chuka maf

thas nice argument

but than u gotta read bhagatj ravidaas jes shabads to udnerstand wat tru arthee is, not only read wat is in kirtan sohilla

NAAM thero arthee

that is the TRUE arthee

bhula chuka maf

ya crazz i did

i jus dont agree wit veer je this time:)

theres a reason to Y guru je wrote tha arthee

while hinduus are doing that arthee with symobls, guru je told us about the beuatiful cosmic arthee going on

the arthee in a dhaal done by us does not compare

and further bhagath ravidaas je explains wat the TRUE arthee, wat our true devotion should be, which is NAAM

gurbanee is clear

now im not sayin its PAAP to do arthee tha way

but its useless

bhagath ravidaas je has showed us the true way of doin arthee

NAAM thero arthee majan murarai

bhula chuka maf

sikhi veer je

i dunt repersent taksal

if this is taksals view on this, then for now i disagree with it

perhaps there is something i duntkno bout this matter, which leads the singhs u talked to have a different view than me sall gud

but i definietley do not agree wit arthee bein done

to do so wud be useleess, at same time reading arthee

jus go and read arthee for ureself

anyone who reads it cannot deny that hindu arthee is useless

taksal mehtha is the real taksal, audio proof is avaialible of this

and mehtha right now is being led by a pakhandee who i wud not be surprised to see is gov., and is a sellout to not only taksal, but to the panth

but babab mohan singh je is a extremly good gurmukh who spends almost ALL of his time jus doin bhagthee, amazing

no one can ignore what gurbanee says on this matter

its not even like its not talking bout directly this matter

gurbanee DIRECTLY refers and CLEARLY gives us the answer to this

as far as i can see on this mater, gur je has given us the answer

bhula chuka maf

i wudnt think tha is true since there are two different gurughars for each wife of guru jes passing

and historically it has ALWAYS been said tha guru je has had 2 wioves, uintil recently

and then tha wudnt explain y other gurus have also been said to have more than one wife

and its intresitin to see how all of the guru jes tha had more than wife wrre in war time

intrestin

bhula chuk amaf

i agree wit heera singh

u cant realy do tha much cept talk to her

and if she wont stop, tell her to leave her bana

as "guest" said, either sikhi or the goth

bhula chuka maf

it is known that there was a period durin sikh history when it was hinduus and masants that controlled gurughats, tru singhs were all mostly in jungles and fighting

MANY hindu influences crept in here, and the british raaj didint help either

places like hazoor sahib stilll are left to abandon artee stuff which as singstah said is jus useleess

iof u read an dUNDERSTAND artee in GURUBANEE, u will see the artee of a dhaal is nuthin and pointless, the whole universe is doin a celestial artee

theres no point in readin arthee and then doin the hindu version

bhula chuka maf

narsingh was an avtaar of vishnu, one of of his avtaars

its in the purrana, one of em, forget which one

and doint kno much bout baba vadhbhaag siingh je but i kno anyone who takes amrit is forgiven for everythin, is reborn

so baba je shud no tbe attacked for bein part of tha family

bhula chuka maf