Gupt daasan daas

to me it really doesnt matter if guru je went to rome

but i remebr tha guru je went to africa as well, i think theres a gurughar there remebing there coming

guru je went to many many plACES such as nepal

which was only recently fouind out, tha guru jewent there

and who r u to say guru je didnt go to other galazies etc.?

maynbe they did, maybe they didnt

was guru je really opnly comin to spread his message to us?

maybre

maybe not

obviously guru je did have shakthee

veer jhe

im gonna ask for u to do mea favour

before we discuss sikhi on a sikhi forum

pleasee go to sikhitothemax.com

and jus check out bhai gurdaas jes vaars

and try to read some gurbani

wso we can discuss them, cause trust me, i think ull be intrrested in wa bhai sahibs vaars say

bhula chuka maf

yo who told u bhai surinder singh sodhee was nihung?

and

very fewnihungs died in 84

it was mostly sant je and his bioyz, and some babaars as well

bhula chuka maf

pathaaala pathaal lakh agaas agaas

there are countless planets

it was tguru nanak ev je tha said this in japji sahib

while vivsintng muslims

and guru je dshowed them there are couhntless planets, not only a few

and guru je took the quazis son to prove it to the muslims

and the quazis son beared witness to this event

and everyone accepted this face, those who were there

bhula chuka maf

if u gonna do tha

jus get a cellphone wit lot sof memory and internet acess

bhula chuka maf

take a look at sant jes chola

some shaheedi singhs cholai

bhula chuka maf

i never said sikhs cannot be ignaorant...

any person who does NOT wish to look a tthe facts and see the truth willnot see who the rtu sant is

if u dunt wanna recogize tha guy as a sant, chances r u never will

now i agree tha peoople can never be 100 percent sure

but a tru sant always shows himself

even gurbanee says vahegurus daas cannot stay hidden even if they try, guru je will reveal them

vaheguru is the one tha gives them sobha

so as per gurbanee

yes

u can recoginze sants, because it is guru je who will not let them stay hidden

he wants his sevaks to get there tru recogintion

like baba nand singh je

there name is famous

y?

because guru je wanted this

baba je did so much bhagthee

guru je is luike our parent

a parent will be so proud of his kid when hes good

guru je is proud of us when we are bhagatyhs, and lets the whole world know about bhagths

read the shaabd jithai jaai beha mera satgur for more info

bhula chuka maf

y did the moghukl kill the singhs?

because they were ignorant,a person with that state of mind who doesnt even want to look if tha perosn is a saint or not will not be able to see whos a saint

its hard to recoginze a tru saint, u gotta knbo lots bout em, see over time wa they od, there own actions

but it is not impossible

fake sants r easy to point out most of the time

the hard part is to determine out of the normal world who is a tru gursikh

and tha takes time and it takes research into tha person

for example

i can easily say baba nand singh je waas a sant

based on there actions

and avastha, and bhagthee

i kno some people who r fake sants, such as radhaswami

based on same things

bhula chuka maf

wat is a sant?

someone who inspisres people to jaap naam while doing it himself

now i agree u cant jus look at someone and say thas a sant cause hges wearin a chola or somethin

but

a sant is recoginzzable

otherwise gurbanee wudnt say there here to save the world

sasnts are recozable

bhai randheer singh je

sant baba nand singh je

sant jarnail singh je

baba thakur singh je

fake sants r recoinzgable also and im not gonna poast any names just to avoid contreversary

there was one baba who people loved os much

and we kept on syaing he was not a sant

and it turned our he was a rapist

truth will always come out bout the dirt

the diamonds alweays stick out

tru sants r rare like diamonds

but the tru sant is so precious, jus like a diaomond also

jus cause of fake sants, and out fault for beuing stupid and not being able to use ouir common sence

we cant blame tru sants, and say we cant recoginze a sant when we meet one

but everyiones own opinion

:lol:

bhula chuka maf

think thesim just got a bit carried away wit the joke

im sure he was only jokin

i think jhe egets it now

lets jus leave it

bhula chuka maf

ahahahahahahhaahaha

haha

hahahahahaha

hahahaa

lol

bhula chuka maf

i agree wit kharkoo 4 life

we are confused on WHAT maya is

maya is illusion, that is the meaning

illusion

maya is the great illyuison, anything that keeps us from akal

that is maya

not money neccesarily

now if u go all craz and start gettin all greedy and stuff, then money is maya to u

bhula chuka maf

are these girls goreea, punjabeea, kaleean?

and r they ure freeidns or jus stupid girls?

y duntu just move from where u sittin if they bother u to much

but if they seriouly start to make u mad

then start yellin at em

and if the idiots still dont stop botherin u

get some other sikhs around ure area to tell em to stop

like ottawea sangat, if u need help wit gettin together people pm anytime

u gotta be sort of tough now in this situation

they wont take u seriously if u jus ask em nicely or anythin lik etha

u gotta b lookin lik eu gonna knock em out or somethin lol

and if none of this works, u gonna have to scare em

i doubt ud actually have to knoeck em out, jus scare em wit some huge peoploe

and sinceim guessin ure in gr 9, jus get some gr 12's, like i said pm if u need anyone to come down

and if nutin else jus make a huuuge scene

be like yoo shut up loud or somethin

if girls arnt mental theyll prob get the message

bhula chuka maf

exposure

ignorance

until we see that there is one god, there is ONE human race, we will always have these problems

we gotta realise someday were all brothers and sisters

until then, until we can desotry our minds igonorance and hate, this problem will not stop

bhula chuka maf

y most sikhs wud say dont date

becaasue

guru je has instructed all of his sikhs to see everyone as fellow brothers and sisters, and not look at the oppisite sex in any other way

now thiws is obviusly told to avoid sexual desires, which trust me will stray u from the marag of bhagthee

no marrige???

oneof guru jes main message was its good to live in grishtee jeevan, family life

we shud belike lotus, stay in the world full of sin, and at the same time remain pure ourselves

we dont need to run to no jungles

now for those whose PERSONAL choice is not to marry thas ill

but to diss marrige itself is wrong

bhula chuka maf

be it sikh, gora, singh, w/e

i think japmans was jus ppointing out yoo theres a guy captured:O

i think it doesnt matter if hes singh or not, but the fact that hes innceont

its sad to see people fightingin the name of religion, and then kill innceonts

no matter wa grouop they belong to

these people deserve punishment who kill innocents, and if not recieved here, will recieve after death

sisniter

i see wa ure sayin too

but the fact is the people h0lding him hostage are stil wrong

was the nbeed to kil innceonts?

u kno where the american bases are

if u got so much beef, go settle it there

bhula chuka maf

if u live in tornto, which highskool dou go to?

and tell em st5raight up, yo dont even joke bout tha its religuous

and im serious, stright up

no jokes here

on this

i dont think theyll do it

but jus tell em once like yo seriously, thas enough

dont joke around bout this sort of stuff wit me

jus explain how u dont cuture hair etc.

bhula chuka maf

all kirtan in praise f vaheguru je is beautiful veer je:)

u have a very nice voice and very nice sounding tunes

bhula chuka maf

intresting

sants are here to save the world

but we cant recoginze them?

boviously A saint can be recouigzed if guru je has sent them to redeem the world

otherwise they wudnt be able to redeem it

people use thuks likle brahm giani ke gath brahm giani janae without even knowin wat gath means

a agree wit bijla singh

there are fake santa and tru sants

guru je ssends his tru sants to redeem and save this world

as per gurbanee

sants are here to guide us and inspire us to jaap naam

they are like helpers

sent from vaheguru

a diamond always stands out amoungs the dirt

i agree 100 percent with bijla singh je

bhula chuka maf

kouoo butaan ko pujath hai pas ko mrithaan ko poojan dhaaeou

koor kirya urjheou sabh je jug sri bhagwaan ko bhed na payooo

its all up to ure mom if she wants to do it now

but the worshipping of tombs, pictures, etc. is all falsehood

bhula chuka maf

vaaheguru

definiatley the illest trivbute ive seen yet, craz

nice singh je

real nice

jus remnind me so much man

its so hard to bear to lose someone like them

:lol:

bhula chuka maf

kharkoo 4 life veer je

i aprreacite ure opinions

at the end of the day we all brothers striving for the same goal right?

sometimes people have diff opinions on some things

were all learners

i agre that guru granth sahib je is the supreme king

however i also belive dasam gramth is banee as well, and shud be resepcted, i mean we drink amrit that i made amrit because of banee from there as well as banee from guru je

veer je if u read my above post

u will see around 6 thuks that show guru nanak dev je was without a doubt akaals roop

these thuks r from guru granth sahib

there r many more

but these shud be enough i think

as for gurpurabs

bhai gurdas jes vaars say we shd celebrate them as well

guru arjun said himself bhai sahibs vaars are the kunjis to guru granth sahib je, the keys to guru je

if u wish to understan guur je , we shud read bhai sahibs vaars

they are a valid peice of refrence to use

so is in my belive bhai desa singhs reightnama which also says to ceelebrate gurpurabs

i may be wrong veer je

but gurbanee is never wrong:)

perhaos only our understaning of it sometimes

as in ma above post

thusk from GURU GRANTH SAHIB JE show that guur je was without a doubt vahegurus roop,and these are onyl a few

another source not within guru sahib is dasam granth

another source is bhai sahibs vaars

at the end of the day, our prem will matter

jin prem keeo thin he prabh paaeoo

our prema bhagthee will show us allt he answers:)

bhula chuka maf

lostsoul

read ma post

khalsaforce im sure doesnt want to kill innconets

im sure hes only intrrested in uprooting tyranny

bhula chuka maf

sorry ma post was cut off it was to long or somethin i guess:S crap man i lost a lot of stuff lol

o well guru jes hukam i gues haha

the thing we can conculide is clear

guru je was vahegurus roop as per gurbanee

guru jes gurpurab shud without a doubt be celebrated as per bhai sahibs vaars and rehitnamai

i am bhulanhaar veer je

i dunt kno muuch

ma bad if i have said anthin wrong

but guru je has shown us tha answers

and gurbanee ssays guru je was vahegurus roop WITHOUT A DOBUT

and it without a doubt says celebrate gurpurabs

bhula chuka maf

ok veer je

this is where i disagree wit u

first off

if u do not blive in dasam granth and dont belive in its banee, stop doin nitnem, which wud make our very amrit sanchaars which al jathai perform since guru jes times a false shaam and has been done wrong since guru es times and suddenly we know right more than 300 years later haha sure

if u dont belive in celebrating gurpurabs, then take a look at my post with PROOF from rehit and bhai sahib vaars that a gurSIKH, a tru one, will always celebrate his gurus avtaar purab out of love

its remebring the day this is the day they appeared

banee evidence has been given

i dunt think further topic discusioon is required

but i am bhoolanhar

so if i made a mistake and said somethins tupid, ma bad man

forgive me

im jus tryin to learn

im sure u kno way more than me

but frmo wat ive read in gurbanee

guru je is akaals roop

as banee thuks above show

and a sikh shud celebrate the gurpurab of his guru

bhula chuka maf

guru je was vahegurus roop

guru nanak dev GOVIND ROOP

Jot Roop HAR AAP Guru Nanak Kahayio

gaavahi kapilaad aad jogaysur aprampar avtaar varo

gur naanak naanak har soe

these are AFEW OF THE THUKS that prve bbeyond a doubt, in accordance with bachitter natak, that guru je was avtaar of akaal

i suggest u take a look at bachitter natak, and go read gurbanee on this matter:)

guru nanakd ev je came y?

because the worlds sufferin in kaljug was at such a point it called to vaheguru for someone to come and save it, and who came?

vaheguru wielded the power himseelf this time, and came in the form of guru nanak dev je

i agree that vaheguru is both sargun and nirgun

im not sure u understand tha

satgun is with attriubutes

nirgin is without

vahegurus tru form is nirgun

but to save this world he took a sargun form

tha sargun form of nirankar was dhan dhan guru nanak dev je

u can belive wa u want

but it is proven beyond a DOUBT in gurbanee tha guru nanak dev j was akaals roop itself

i agree on one point

the fact that guru je took "birth" is not entierly tru

he just took a form

aik HAIN ANAAIK HAIN

god is not merley one form as we belive it be

god is one and many at the same time

see veer je

we must understand the concept

of bharpoor

sargun

and nirgun

bharpoor is al prevading

yes that is vahguru

this is a desctription of his NIRGUN SAROOP

the thuk form jaap sahib describes vaheguru jes nirgun saroop

aik hain anaaik hain

vaheguru is one but many at the same time

akaal moorath does not mean free of form

akaal moorath means that god i the image of the undying, the timeless

as i said before guru nanakd ev je is timeless

there BODY WAS JUST A VESSEL

same for brahm gianis

if u dont think vaheguru didnt come into this earth as guru

then u better read bhataa de banee and bhachitter natak

vaheguru can take any form he wants

aik hain anaik hain

but his nirgun sarrop, will always be there

timeless

but this does not limit vaheguru

to say that vaheguru cannot take a form

is saying vaheguru cannot do something

which is not tru

guru je did not say that god did not take human form to help the world

i dunt kno where people come up wit these ideas

gur nanak dev GOVIND ROOP

guru nanak dev je himself was god himself

all our gurus were god

who came into this world as a guru to save it

guru je has said that krishna, brahma, etc. were not god

they were not complete beings either, for example they went brahm ginais

but guru je has never rejected the idea tha vaheguru cannot take forms

and i think i myself have not been clear enoug, ma bad:)

the athma, i agree wit u, when reaching a avastha,, beocme brahm giani

the body is nothuin

its the athamm we worry about

so when we say oo tha persons a brahm giani, we mean that there avastha has acheinved that level of spituality where there joth blends into akaal

a person, whos soul, merges with akaal, beomces a brahm giani

that brahm giani is the master of all now, because he and vaheguru have become one

if u want proof of sikhs celebrating gurpurabs

Bwie Bgq gurpurb kr nwm dwn ieSnwn idRVwXw]

bhaae bhagath gurapurab kar naam dhaan eishanaan dhrirraayaa||

Now being full of loving devotion they celebrate the gurprubs (anniversaries of the Gurus) and their acts of rememberance of God, charity and holy ablutions, inspire others also.

bhai gurdas jes vaars

dsmI Awid gurU idn jyqy purb smwn khy hYN qyqy ] iqn myN kCu prswd bnwvY kr kVwh ^wlsy KuAwvY ]

dhasamee aadh guroo dhin jaethae purab samaan kehae hai(n) thaethae || thin mae(n) kashh parasaadh banaavai kar karraah khhaalasae khuaavai ||

When a recognised Gurpurab day comes One should make the sacred Parshaad and give it to fellow Sikhs.

bhai desa singh je rehitnama

when we celebrate the birth of a sant, or our guru je

we are celebrating the coming of that athma into this world

and how the world has greatly bennifted from there coming

or there apperance into this world in case of gur je

guur je is ajoonee

they never go into the cyccle of chouaase lakh

vaheguru just came into a form that poeole cud see, ask wuestions, and a roop where vaheguru cud give banee to people etc.

we remeber the passing of sants persona in this world

we cant see them, we cant talk to them, etc. unless we some next gurmukhs

its all about remberance

because we remebert hat souls seva to this world

we remebr w/e they did tha was good

forr example, if they had great courage, or if they did some extreme seva etc.

bhula chuka maf