Gupt daasan daas

its mostly khalstanee in 84 that read the most gurbanee and were the mst ck singhs out of the entire panth

so i dont kno wat ure on about

if one does naam abiyaas but wont defend the panth when the panth needs it

tha personis not a tru sikh

a tru sikh is a sant SIPAHI

saint solidier

sant jarnail singh je is the perfect example of a tru sikh and a tru khalsa

miri and piri

we need naam and kirpaan now

this is not a time o just sit in a bhoara anymore

this is the time to fight and get khalstaan

when tha tme exactly will come, guru je knows

but it WILL come

bhula chuka maf

sikk

bhula chuka maf

hahahahaa chiri balla LOL hahahahaha jk

bhula chuka maf

hahahahah

golf contest

lol hahaha

bhula chuka maf

guru nanak dev je was the one who stated there are countless planets, so guru je does show there power to see more than wat is the plain tinking of the time

truth is sceince does not kno either

and guru je in sikhi tells us only god knows, dw about it

forcus and here and now

bhula chuka maf

ok i double cheked

this is absloltley tru

:lol:

like im 100 precnt sure of this

in the past jago wala jatha was baneed form all isyf stages

because they startin talkin against khalstaan, isyf, they started speakin " gov de bolee"

the situation NOW

i am unaware of becuase my baba has not been in contact with amrik singh gill etc. since the last time he stayed over, which was mad long because now he cant come to canada

sooo

the situation now i dunt kno

maybe isyf and jago wala have peaced it out, thas wat i hear from some veers in uk newways

u want proof usyf brought them there houses andn got them set up?

go ask jago wala jatha for themselves

im sure theyll tell u the truth

or ask amrik singh gill for ureself

i wud kno because he is mad tight wit our family, and its liike us who send himt he money from here, we kno wat he does wit it, but u dont go around postin exact details, im sure u kno y veer je:)

obviously its sad fact many shaheed families were not helped

but its even been in newspapers how rode je has helped out shaheed parivaars wit his own money

its just a fact

isyf helped out many shaheed families

im wonderin, who tld u they ddint

and where did the money for shaheeds go?

wat did jasbir singh j do with it

nama singh je

isyf helped out jago wala jatha a lot when they first got there

im not sayin jago wala jatha eats the rotis of isyf ot somethin

but isyf helped them A LOT

ask amrik singh next time u meet him

bhula chuka maf

yo giv eme proof to where

khadday e bahut ah

do u eeven kno jasbir singh personally?

then how the hell wud u kno wa goes down wit tehe money?

where u thin shaheds in punjaab got money from?

kaveesharee might be part time thing but its still isyf tha got them set up

with isyf, who knows where theyd be

the onyl reason i keep ons ayin tha in my posts

is to make sure

in my posts

when i write something

either im 100 percent sure

or ill wirte im gonna double check

:lol:

i write tha to let gurmukhs like u kno tha i just wnna check on my facts

and singh je u write lots of allegations agasint isyf

wat proof at all do u base this on?

:umm:

bhula chuka maf

shows bhow much u kno

yo giv eme PROOF

of wat ure saying

like u give facts

btw i kno singh sabhga was sikkk

and did mad seva for panth

i have craaz respect for oringal

sgpc hasnt done jack in modern times

after purtaan sgpc

it went dowwwn hill

sant jarnail singh je, the voice of taksal did belive in dasam granth

no other taksali can override baba je on taksal m atter

akj is also a ck group

they gave more shaeehdis than sgpc durin 84

u r somtimes ahypocrit

i say fine belive in akal takht maryada

which also says that taksal is legit, akj is legit, there al part of the panth

but when i ask people like u this then u say no aka takht is corrupt

either belive in it or stoop

dont use maryada when it suits u and when it dosnt then u drop it

bhula chuka maf

did bhai randheer singh je read choupai sahib?

YES

veer je they did

they belived in dasam granth

lol and then wa bout san t jarnail singh je, baba nand singh je, man the list goes on FOREVER

no one did more than singh sabha?

i admit they did ALOT of amaaazing seva for our panth

they were great

but o u kno howww many people have taken amrit becuase of people lke baba nand singh je, baba harnam singh je, sant jarnail singh je?

those numbers are in the millions

and the way sant jarnail singh je awoke the kaum has been unriveled since banda bahudur singh jes times

i can go and say sgpc is the one tha divided us even more

no one in our panth agreed to tha maryada

not nihangs

not nanaksar

not akj

not taksal

no one

everyone walked out

cause it was SO MESSED

oms etings that EVERYE SINGLE jatha befor belived in, the enitre panth beliv ein , were changed

no one has authority to do tha

its sgpc tha has created the GREATEST diviosn on our panth today

so i dunt kno wa u on about other jthau createin diviosn

its sgpc tha has created waay more divison in the panth

they came out with stuff no one has ever heard about, like yo everyhting is brahmin vaadh, everything

if a hindu spits, and thena sikh spits, thas brahmin vaadh too

spgc to paranoid

bhula chuka maf

ive never read that in guru granth sahib je everin my life

bhula chuka maf

i dunt care how good there voice is

they do have nice kaveesharees

i neevr said tha

there kaveeshrees are ill

dhadhreeans dharna ill nce too

but ill still say hes gov

they cud be the best singers around

is the voice more importan tthan actions now?

y shud i have shame ont his matter

ya im a bad guy

but im not aattacking the jatha

im just telling the truth

isnt that wat guru je said to do( ill dobule check just in case" :lol: )

i didnt BIG anyone up

and thas before i found out anyways

but even in tha

i dunt care bout jago wala jatha

im not sayuin there good PEEOPLE and have tru intrests of panth at heart

im jus sayin yoo loo at BABA JES JEEVAN

it was all about baba je

jago wala jathas just osme singers

just like m opinion on dhadrean

if soeone puts his tape on and im there

im not go all buck

but if they ask me my opinion do u like this giy

ill e like i got nothin to say, but hes gov too

jago wala jatha has helped the panthout????

yo they have nice kaveesharees

but thas not heloing the panth out

it just SOUNDS NICE

and WHO R U to talk crap bout jasbir singh

have u aasked him botu neglected parivaars

bhai jasbir singh je has helped has many people as he can

and how do ikno out of his own pockets?

cause hes like one of our closest family freinds, the singh sahibs like my babas brother or somethin

sangat has donatedmoney to him

and he HAS used it for panthic reaons

like have u asked jasbir singh je on this

or

who has told u these lies agsint jasbir singh

do THEY kno jasbir singh

hes a good singh

stopp dissin him for no reasohes actually DONE something for the panth which is more than i can say for us here

bhulaa chuka maf

veer je i disagree wi tu

i thinkure taking shabds waay out of context

ure thinking that there is NO existence of jamdooths if there is vahegur???

thas inncorrect veer je

vaheguru je is the creator of all

if he cud create humans

y cant he create other things to do the jobs?

such as mesengers of death

the concept of jamdooth is clear in gurbanee

it is wirrten clearly, just to say its a metaphor is not enough

someplaces where its not possibel fr metaphor, but rather defintions, guru je talks bout jamdooths

jamdhoths are not akaal

dharam raj is not akal

but they are all "creatures" that exist

just because u cannot see something doesnt mean its real

if we used tha reaosning then u wud stop belive in vaheguru as well

y sieze a perosn by the hair???

thas sort of bovious, guur je is describing the pain tht will be inflicted to papees after death

there not going to treat us like kings if we have not remeber akaal

there going to treat us like papees and grab us by hair and beat us

bhula chuka maf

ya u kno everything

i mean onl gursikhs do right?

so sant jarnail singh je, baba nand singh je, bhai randheer singh je, and countless other mahapurkhs who have doen more for the panth than sgpc has ever done, or anti dasam granth people, were not gursikhs?

they were just odhaee some idiots or something?

chalo teek a h pher

u must have done a lot of bhagthee to get brahm gian

vaaheguru

u can even say gurmukhs r not gurmukhs

woow

guru je has given u a lot of authority to say people like sant je r not gurmukh

bhula chuka maf

veer je this is one thing i disagree wit u

the thuk from jaap sahib is describing akaal

i has nothing to do with wat were describing

messengers of death, yaam, r just creatures tha tkae u to dharm rais darbaar

and beat u on the way

f u did paap

u kno all this

etc. etc.

and veer je

i kno people who r not metaly sik

and have seen ghosts

s tha thery goes down the drain..

i guess until u expiernce it ure gonna b like tha

bhula chka maf

sept 19thh????

when did the date get moved?

it was guaranted sometimes now in nov tha bandi choor divas happened

bhula chuka maf

veer je

jsut because WE cant undersand it doesnt mean its not banee

tha measn ITS OUT FAULT

our avastha and gian are LIMITED

we need to go and LEARN

:lol:

blaming guru je for our shortcomings is not good

bhula chuka maf

cantlogin je

u bette check ure damn facts before U wrte crap

isyf has given money out of its own pockets, hundreds of thousands of dollars to shaheed singhs families, jasbir singh je himself gives money from his own pocket, to help get there daughters married

i peronsally know many shaheeds that went overseas of isyf

so before saying stuff like tha, u shud be careful

it was isyf that got jago wala jatha set up in uk

y do u think jago wala jatha has the luxury of living in country like uk

u think uk gov gices 2 cents bout them

isyf is one who got them set up

to go agasint a person tha helps u out like tha is a sell out

people like them shud have shame

butlike is aid

ill check out EXACTLY

wat happened

and then ill post again

bhula chuka maf

i agree with randip singh je compleltly that guru je also uses ghosts as metaphors, to call us evil, not one with vaheguru etc.

he is competly correcct

ut one thing i differ in tinkin wit veer je is tha not only goes guur je use ghosts as metaphors but guru je also just sometimes lists them as acertain joon, just like pigs, animals, etc.

bhula chuka maf

u dont accept anything from purrans

u better start taking stuff away from guru granth sahib je

guru je has used many refrences to puraans IN guru granth sahb je to such things as harnaakhs and prhlaad, ajaamal, ganika

all of these r from hindu dharm

these are metaphors used for sikhi

if u cud use ure mind to accept the same of triya charitars, then u wud understand

but ure not gonna let this go until u die r u

bhula chuka maf

nama singh je

and others

this is wat isyf singhs who BOUGHT jago wala jtha there houses have told us in tornto

im gonna CONFIRM wa happened

but something bad did happen

as to them being banend from isyf stages

ill double check

bhula chuka maf

i think there are TWO jago wala jthas

one was made shaheed , in khalstganeee fighting times

and one is chillin in uk, and a long time ago isyf singhs, the ones who helped buy these guys houses, stopped them from singin on stages bcause accordin to them

" they were speakin the words of the gov now"

i dunt reall kno wa happened

but thas wat the isyf singhs there tell u

and they were the ones who helped jago jatha out the most

bhula chuka maf

vaheguru

dhan baba nand singh je

vaheguru

bhula chuka maf

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wat bhagthee has inderjit singh ghaghga done?

the jathedar of akal takht must be like sant jarnail singh je, a tru gurmukh, not like inderjit singh ghagha

bhula hcuka maf

from wat ive heard someone that does not belive in god, a supreme entity that created the entire universe, which was never created, will never be destroyed, and has and will exist forever

they belive that everything is a perfect act of chance, that everything somehow perfectly during the time of the big bang( the most accurate throy accoding to sceince on how the world was created), til now that the universe has been rapidly expandin

and somehow all the chemcals mixed in the proper way, somehow the exact correct temp was mantaned, somehow all these chances just happened and the result is the universe

if u take physics they teach u a lot on this stuff

many questons come out of this

wat existed before the big bang?

wat power caused the big bang, if that is how life started

is sceince really expectin us to belive on this notion that everything happened by CHANCE??

that somehow THE EARTH IS THE PERFECT, EXACTLY, distance away from the sun, etc. has perfect conditions which allow it to manain life

haha

thas jks

that everyhthing happens by chance

athiests are just athmas that have become compeltly deluded by bharm

at least this is the"common" defintion of most athiests

maybe there is a diff type of athiest, i have a freind who DOES BELIVE IN god, the guys mad safe too, but he didnt belive in an RELIGON

but he belived in god compeltly, and prayed to god daily

i have great respect for those people also, bhagthee of vaheguru is the most important thing

but most athiests dont even belive in a god

bhula chuka maf

sant jagjit singh je harkhowal does take bhooths out of possesed bodies

so did sant kartaar singh je on one ocassion, as recorded in chitta chola

this is not false thing done for money

although 99.9 percent of people who do it WILL do it for fame money and it will be lies

but just because there is dirst beside diamonds, doesnt mean u shud through the diamond away too

there are the real deals outt here

tru bhagaths

just gotta learn not to be too beliving,but at the same time dont become to hard u never belive anyone, even if a tru sant is standing right infront of u

bhula chuka maf