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Sikhs even NOW visit Hindu Mandir's to preserve that part of their history, if only just for fun. Just because we left Hinduism behind doesn't mean it should be forgotten.

Sikhs even NOW pay respect to village shrines called 'Juggah', which honour the ancestor who created the village. This is part of the Punjabi Folk Religion.

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TandooriSingh, I agreed with some of your points, but I strongly believe that these two above points are related to things which 'Sikhs' definitely should be well distanced from.

Does anyone know what the latest is with this trial/what the outcome was for the defendants? Also, why do females from the groomer community not speak out against these happenings?

http://www.englishdefenceleague.org/muslim-grooming-gang-abused-leicester-sikh-girl/

Leicester Magistrates Court has this month been hearing a case involving the alleged sexual exploitation of a 16 year old girl.

Five men have been remanded in custody and one bailed for a total of 22 charges involving child prostitution, human trafficking and paying for sex with a child.

Although the Leicester Mercury didn’t think it worth mentioning, this is clearly another example of a Muslim grooming gang – that much is clear from the names of the accused. The five held on remand are: Aabidali Mubarak Ali,Rakib Iacub, Hamza Imtiazali, Bharat Modhwadia and WajidUsman Ullah.

Of course, we can hardly expect the paper to mention Islam. So desperate has the press been to exclude any discussion of religion from these kinds of story that they’ve developed an obsession with the term ‘Asian’ (something we’ve discussedbefore). Not only is this unfair on other ‘Asian’ communities, but it detracts from what many believe to be an important motivating factor in these crimes: the status of women and non-Muslims in Islam.

In this case we have discovered that the victim was, in fact, a local Sikh girl.

Long before she was attacked, the girl’s father, a university lecturer, became concerned that his daughter was associating with the wrong crowd. Eventually, after a number of warning signs, he managed to gain access to her Facebook account,where he immediately uncovered evidence that she was being groomed for sex.

This he took to the police. But to no avail. No action was taken, and despite his repeated efforts, he was ultimately unable to prevent his daughter from being abused. Another young life ruined and a father overcome with guilt and anger: guilt that he was unable to do more, anger at the perpetrators, but also anger at the police for letting him and his daughterdown so badly.

It was with this in mind that Sikh vigilantes attacked the Moghul Durbar restaurant in Leicester, run by one of the defendants, Wajid Usman Ullah. Two men were seriously injured.

These aren’t actions we can condone, but they are a sign ofhow desperate things have become. The leaders of the Sikh community no doubt understand and share some of the anger that motivated these young men but, to their credit, they immediately condemned the attack.

British Sikhs have reason to be proud. If there’s even a hint of extremism in their community they deal with it, and Sikhs have proved over generations that they have no problem integrating themselves into British culture. They may be a relatively small minority, but we’re proud that we’ve had the opportunity to stand side-by-side with members of the Sikh community at a number of our past demonstrations.

Sikhs are, of course, no strangers to Muslim aggression. In fact, one of the great heroes of the Sikh religion, Guru GobindSingh, is remembered as the man who, in the 17th century, fought to free the Sikh people from the tyranny of the Muslim Mughal emperors – one the most brutal regimes in history.

When British Sikhs look at their Muslim neighbours they are unlikely to see their ancient oppressors. But what they do seeis a community that, despite being plagued with problems,nonetheless believes itself deserving of the respect that the Sikh community has worked hard to earn. What’s worse is that the government also seems to believe that Islam is deserving of our respect, regardless of whether it actually does anything to address segregation, extremism and the scandal of Muslim grooming gangs.

No wonder British Sikhs are frustrated. And when they findthemselves the victims of Islamic extremism should we be surprised if they question whether the authorities can be trusted to deal with the problem?

Leicester’s Sikhs, as well as the rest of the community, are owed answers as to why the police failed to intervene when presented with compelling evidence of grooming. Without a convincing explanation, we believe that the police officer in charge of the case must be dismissed.

To that end, we call upon Sir Clive Loader, the Police and Crime Commissioner elected by the people of Leicestershire, to investigate what went wrong and to reassure local people that the police are prepared to deal with grooming cases.

It should not have come to this. How many more atrocities, how many more hate preachers, how many more examples of Islamic separatism and supremacism, how many more grooming gangs before the authorities finally accept the extent of the problem?

How many more young lives have to be ruined before a father can go to the police and expect them to help him protect his daughter?

In the hope that we can bring further attention to this case, and perhaps even encourage further action to address the problem of Muslim grooming gangs, this article has been issued to:

Sir Clive Loader, Police and Crime Commissioner for Leicestershire

Thats exactly what it is my friend: An 'Opinion'. And opinions themselves are formed from what we see and hear. Previously, having visited a freshie relative there living in a house full of malwais majhails it is natural I should have formed that opinion. As I stated in the previous message however, having listened to the many broadcasts from Italy on the Sikh Channel this last year or so, most of the sangat there appear to be speaking in the Doaba dialect.

A man asked a question and I chose not to ignore him and attempted to answer it. Simple as that.

Unless and untill I embark on a detailed survey of them, individualy questioning all 150,000 of them, all we can have is an opinion.

Apologies West London Singh if the tone of my previous post seemed demeaning. Of course anyone can change their opinion depending on their new experiences. You say there are about 150000, does anyone know how quickly this population has grown (it seems to me that a lot of emigration has occurred perhaps only in the last ten years), and how many Sikhs are emigrating each year currently?

"Italy, right now, has about 150,000 Sikhs. Having heard them often on the Sikh Channel my guess would be that most of them are from Doaba as that is the dialect you most hear from their mouths."

West London Singh, what you say is in contrast to what you said in february 2012

"I've found the Italian sangat to be a very good mix of doaba, malwa and majha". Lol. It seems you've changed your opinion.

Interesting info. I think UK is now considered a third or fourth option for this wanting to go foreign after US, Canada, possibly Australia

It's a disgrace that the family has been so deceitful. Have you tried approaching the family directly? Maybe even getting a copy of the invite card and posting it up here? Who is your team (sorry if I don't know)?

This is a very long video (nearly one and half hour). If you could explain briefly what exactly the video discusses, it would be helpful

West coast california wise:

Bay Area, Stockton, Sacramento : majority doaba

Fresno, Bakersfield : all malwa

East coast: you will see majha people in and around DC area etc

Cool, that's very interesting.

Why are Indians and Pakistanis not allowed to marry? Maybe they could marry abroad, thus helping our Pakistani Sihk brothers and sisters.

Does anyone have an idea of approximately what the percentage of Doaba-Malwa-Majha population is in the UK? And the same regarding Italy, and US? I know there would be no official numbers, just estimates.

Would it be possible for Akal Takht (or any Sikh organisation) to approach someone like KS Makhan, who became Amritdhari last year, and get him or other(s) singers to start a campaign against the gundh in the music songs/videos? Someone like KS Makhan or another singer(s) may be able to influence through words, their peers to persuade them not to make these songs/videos. However, I wouldn't be surprised if singers who have record/video contracts don't want to go against the companies, and are afraid of not being able to make money.

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The reason why people from Punjab/Kashmir/Himachal/Haryana look different to UP/Bihar and Southern States people is because we are further North.

The closer you get to the equator the darker people get.

It's the same reason why a Swedish person is lighter than an Italian. And why a Saudi is darker than someone from Syria.

Nothing to do with invasions.

This is not completely true. If you compare North Indians with South Indians, the features are generally different. This is mostly due to genetics rather than geographical position. There are many people in the South who are light-skinned, but their features are different.

See these videos which give more insight about Punjabi Pakistani view towards Punjabi

Another Sikh with a Pakistani (see bold)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-24210693

The father of a boy whose body was found "mummified" in his mother's bedroom has rejected claims in court he was a "wife batterer".

Aftab Khan's four-year-old son Hamzah was found in a cot in September 2011, almost two years after he died.

Hamzah's mother, Amanda Hutton, 43, of Bradford, is on trial for manslaughter, which she denies.

Mr Khan told Bradford Crown Court he had separated from Ms Hutton after he was charged with assaulting her.

The jury heard he was initially stopped from visiting his former partner due to a court order, but did start to go and see his son when they moved to a new home in Bradford in March 2009.

Prosecutors argue Hamzah Khan was severely malnourished and had starved to death in December 2009.

Mr Khan told the court Ms Hutton was not looking after Hamzah properly.

'Absolutely out of it'

"I said 'look at the state of him - you're not looking after him' and she told me to get out," the mechanic and taxi driver said.

He told the jury: "She wasn't bathing him. She wasn't changing him."

Mr Khan said Ms Hutton drank cider and vodka heavily, especially after the death of her mother.

"She'd be absolutely out of it," he said.

Mr Khan told the jury he contacted social services once about the condition of Hamzah but said he was ignored.

Last week the jury heard details of a police interview Mr Khan gave when he was arrested for attacking Ms Hutton in 2008, in which he said he was going to contact social services about his son.

A senior police officer told the court there was no record he ever made the call.

Paul Greaney QC, prosecuting, asked Mr Khan whether he did contact social services. He said: "They said it was a private matter.

"Social services are never bothered about cases like this."

Pressed by Mr Greaney, he added: "I clearly remember. There's no record of it.

"They weren't bothered, they weren't interested. I'd given up at that time."

Defending Ms Hutton, Stephen Meadowcroft QC told Mr Khan: "You were a wife batterer and she was a battered wife, cowed by your violence."

Mr Khan said: "If I was a wife batterer why am I not standing next to her?"

The barrister put it to Mr Khan that he had been violent towards his client throughout their 20-year relationship, but he denied this.

"I've come here to answer questions about my child," Mr Khan said.

Mr Meadowcroft told him: "You were the father of the family. You were there.

"What did you do about it?"

Mr Khan told the court: "The police wouldn't believe me. No-one would believe me.

"I know I made one phone call. If the police weren't going to believe me, who else is going to believe me? I gave up.

"The system failed my son. Did the school check up? Did social services check up? I lost my total confidence in the system."

A former girlfriend of Hamzah's older brother Qaiser Khan also took to the stand on the fourth day of Ms Hutton's trial.

Deepinder Kaur, 24, told the court Hamzah did not eat very much.

She said during the day he would eat "biscuits or whatever's lying around".

Miss Kaur said despite being nearly four at the time, in February 2009, "he looked like a baby" and would often wear a baby gro

Another witness, PC Maria Furness of West Yorkshire Police, told the jury she performed a welfare check at Ms Hutton's house about eight months before Hamzah's death, but found him to be "fed well, clean, healthy looking and there was an appropriate adult in the address".

The trial continues.

NEW DELHI: Chances of getting killed in a road accident is the highest in Amritsar and in the country's Mercedes capital Ludhiana.

Latest data on road fatalities shows that at least six people died in every 10 road crashes in these two cities in 2012 against only three in Delhi, which recorded maximum fatalities in 2012. Though Mumbai recorded the highest number of accidents among 50 million-plus cities, the fatality rate was only 2%.

The 'Road Accidents in India' report prepared by the transport research wing of the road ministry also shows that roads in Punjab are proving to be fatal for commuters. The severity of accident - deaths per 100 mishaps - in the state has been increasing in the past four years. While it was 65.9% in 2009, this increased to 76% in 2012.

"Ludhiana and Amritsar are the worst examples. But the state as a whole is also losing over 4,800 lives in road accidents. We have heterogeneous traffic, little enforcement of no-entry timings and huge problem of drink driving," said Dr Kamalzit Singh Soi, vice-chairman of Punjab Road Safety Council.

The industrial city of Ludhiana has around 1.4 million vehicles for its 3.5 million people, of whom 20-30% are migrant labourers. Soi said traffic coming from six districts passed through the city and almost 23 km of the under-expansion Panipat-Jalandhar highway runs through the urban area.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-22795703

Old news, but still...

Kulwant Singh Grewal: Indian police investigate London man's murder

By Poonam TanejaBBC Asian Network

Indian police are investigating the murder of a London grandfather in Punjab.

The body of Kulwant Singh Grewal, 76, from Southall, west London, was found in a village near the city of Ludhiana, northern India, on 30 May.

Mr Grewal had gone to India to settle a property dispute in the Punjab courts and he was last seen alive on 16 May.

His family in the UK became concerned after he missed a court appearance and alerted police.

'We want justice'

Mr Grewal's son Iqbal Grewal, who lives in Berkshire, said: "My mother phoned me on my mobile and said to me, 'They've just found his body'.

"I just cried to myself."

His family said the grandfather-of-two was stabbed to death.

Mr Grewal's wife Mukhtiar Grewal has travelled to India to search for answers.

"Why would anyone want to attack a 76-year-old man?" said Mr Grewal

Wife's role under scanner
Mohit Khanna
Tribune News Service

Ludhiana, June 10
In the Kulwant Singh murder case, the role of his wife Mukhtiar Kaur has come under the scanner after she appeared as a witness in the case.

Kulwant Singh (75), an NRI, was allegedly killed by his younger brother Jaswant Singh (62) on May 16 at a house in Mehma Singh Wala village near Dehlon. Jaswant was recently arrested in this connection.

Mukhtiar Kaur had told the police that her husband Kulwant Singh was apprehending a danger to his life from his brother Jaswant Singh, also an NRI, who owns a mega pizza chain in the UK.

According to Satinder Singh, SHO of the Dehlon police station, Mukhtiar Kaur had reportedly told the police that she received a call from Kulwant a few days before the murder during which he had mentioned about a threat to his life from Jaswant.

However, investigations revealed that Mukhtiar and Kulwant had strained relations and were living separately, a fact highlighted by the accused, Jaswant Singh, during the investigations.

Investigating officer Swarn Singh said, "Jaswant told us that Kulwant and Mulhtiar Kaur were living separately and recently divorced each other. However, no evidence was found that the couple had divorced."

Jaswant's two sons attended Kulwant Singh's bhog ceremony at a gurdwara in Mehma Singh Wala village yesterday. This had raised many an eyebrow in the village.

An elderly resident said on condition of anonymity that the murder case would head for a compromise.

"Mukhtiar Kaur, who stays in the UK, is not going to pursue the case. With the passage of time, the case will weaken and Jaswant will be let off. Both Mukhtiar and Kulwant had strained relations. It can be gauged from the fact that Kulwant's body kept lying dumped in a room for nearly 15 days and Mukhtiar did not bother to ask anyone about her husband's whereabouts," said the resident.

Jaswant was today produced before a court, which remanded him in judicial custody for 14 days.

Officer refutes charges

Investigating officer refuted the allegations that the accused, Jaswant. was given a VIP treatment. He said Jaswant was not made to sit in an AC room. He said the accused was not taken to the District Courts complex in a swanky SUV as alleged

A peep into the case

* On June 5, the city police had arrested 62-year-old Jaswant Singh Grewal, a millionaire, for allegedly murdering his elder brother Kulwant Singh (75). A property dispute was stated to be the reason behind the murder.

* Kulwant was allegedly killed by Jaswant at a house in Mehma Singh Wala village on May 16. On May 30, his mutilated body was found from the house.

* In order to hoodwink the police, the accused fled to Malaysia on May 22 for four days. He flew to Malaysia to use his visit as an alibi to make the police believe that he was somewhere else when the incident took place

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/alexandra-turned-uttrang-logs-on-to-promote-sikh-religion-culture/1144939/

Kala Chana is a favourite food of the Nihangs who are famous for having eternal stamina and Chardikala (risen spirit ). In Nihang langars (read community kitchens) you will often see Kala Chana being served. Nihangnis, Raaginis and those who meditate wear a 'true' chunni made from 100 per cent cotton. With posts on issues like these dated July 19 and 17, respectively on www.nihangni.com, Alexandra Aitken, the daughter of former British cabinet minister Jonathan Aitken, who had hit the headlines a couple of years back after she married a Nihang Sikh, Inderjot Singh from Punjab and embraced Sikhism, is now on a roll to immerse herself fully in the Sikh way of living.

Alexandra, who now goes by the name of Uttrang Kaur Khalsa is writing articles on an vast range of topics from health to meditation to the Sikh way of living on websites www.soundlotus.com and more recently on www.nihangni.com .

From invoking the 30th hukamnama of the 52 hukamnamas of Guru Gobind Singh where the Sikh guru had underlined the importance of weaponary and horses to listing the immune boosting powers acquired by Nihangs by washing their hands with Ritha (soap nuts), Uttrang is spreading the Sikh principles and Punjabi way of living on the virtual world.

Once known as a party girl frequenting the most happening parties in London and Los Angeles, Uttrang is a diametrically opposite person now.

"I heard it takes 1,000 silk worms to die to make a silk Chunni. Its better karma to love all creatures, including silk worms," she wrote in her Nihangni notes on July 17 while underling the importance of a cotton chunni, where she said, "Cotton on your head is very cooling and calming for the mind. "

"There may be an exact measurement the Guru gave for a chunni. Chunnis should be long enough to completely cover a woman from head to the bottom of her ribcage. Mine measures 2.5 m on the long side," she writes. The marriage of Alexandra Aitken with Inderjot Singh attracted the attention of the international media. In the follow up stories, there were reports of how Inderjot, who too reportedly liked to party, became a Nihang Sikh. Some later reports also suggested that Alexandra was no more living with Inderjot, which was denied by Alexandra's sister Victoria who said she remained in touch with her sister and that her sister's marriage was fine.

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On 3/3/2013 at 5:14 PM, Premi5 said:

 

Thank you

Anyone know from where could I get a hard copy of the book?

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Anyone able to tell me where I can buy this book? Thanks

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This is the reply to the email I sent BBC on 22 Nov regarding the news report. Just got the reply today:

"Thanks for contacting us regarding the ‘BBC News at Six’ on the 21 November.

We understand you were unhappy with the programme’s use of the term ‘Asian’.

Our report said, “...Of those, 545 were white, 415 of Asian origin and 244 from black or Afro-Caribbean backgrounds.”

In regards to our coverage of the Rochdale child grooming trial, the term ‘Asian’ was used alongside "from Pakistan and Afghanistan" to describe the ethnic origin of the men. The News Channel used both, depending on the context of the report .The short form ‘Asians’ was used in headlines and very brief summaries of the story. We felt it was important to be as specific as possible whenever we could, precisely because of the risk of leading viewers to form judgements on all "Asians".

We understand that this may have offended those from Asian communities at what they saw as an oversimplification but we used the longer description whenever possible in our reports.

We’d like to assure you that we've registered your complaint on our audience log. This is an internal report of audience feedback which we compile daily and is available for viewing by all our staff. This includes all programme makers and presenters, along with our senior management. It ensures that your points, along with all other comments we receive, are circulated and considered across the BBC.

Thanks again for contacting us.

Kind Regards"

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Where did you get this from?