Raju

It should be pretty clear to everyone by now that muslims esp their young, are now trying to hide behind other communities so that when they gonna get screwed, they can easily shout 'racism' and what not ? Esp since it seems to me that this whole 'Asian' movement in UK seems specifically an idea of the pakis to protect themselves from any backlash by hiding behind other communities. Now they have taken to wearing the kara and as mklq said, it will prove to be more difficult esp for Sikhs to seperate themselves from the pakis. Sikhs come mostly from Punjab, the pakis will say 'hey we also come from there'. Sikhs will say not some of us are keshdhari and wear turbans and some of us are monay or cleanshaven, the pakis will say 'hey we also do similar stuff, mulleh wear beards and keep turban and others are clean shaven'. Now in come the karas, the pakis will say, 'hey we wear them too', only thing is we have 789 on em. NOW KEEPING THIS BACKGROUND IN MIND TRY EXPLAINING THE SITUATION TO AN AVG WORKING-CLASS BRIT/AMERICAN ?? THEIR MOST LIKELY RESPONSE, "KICK OUT THE BOTH OF EM". If there are people here who are terribly enthused by this prospect and are still overflowing with human love and emotions, feel free to support the new 'Kara wearing muslim'.

The brits have indulged in grandstanding and statesmanship when Islamists sitting in their country supported all their little terror wars around the world. These are the people who supported the murderers when they were killing babies and children and women in various places around the world. If you have studied Islamists carefully, they are a breed that is NEVER SATISFIED in whichever country they might be. Islamists themselves say that they are part of some 'global ummah' and they have no boundaries. The brits were until now sponsoring this hypocrisy....until ofcourse eventually the tables turned on them.

Now you can ask why they couldn't have done this earlier ?? Britain plans to rename ethnic minorities Press Trust of India London, August 8, 2005 Britain plans to rename its ethnic minorities as Indian-British or British-Asian rather than just 'Muslim' or 'Asian' to highlight their roots in the country, a move flayed by critics as a step backward that will create "racial ghettoes." In order to strengthen and highlight their British roots, minorities could be described as "for example, Indian-British, Asian-British rather than simply as Asian," said Hazel Blears, the Home Office Minister. The proposal by Blear, who heads a new government commission on how better to integrate minorities, indicates the Government is taking seriously the claims that some second-generation Asians are finding it difficult to identify with either Britain or the country of their roots. "I am going to talk to people and find out, how does that feel?" said the minister. "It is about your identity, and I think it's really important." "If you want a society that is really welded together, there are certain things that unite us because we are British," she said. The proposals will be put to Muslim leaders in the next few weeks. But politicians and Muslim leaders dismissed the proposal on Sunday night as a step backwards, Times said Ghayasuddin Siddique, head of the Muslim Parliament, warned that identifying people by their ethnic background would create "racial ghettoes.". "Nobody cares for labels. We have to create a stake-holding society and an inclusive society. Unless you feel you have a stake in the society, you will never be proud of it," he said. (tch tch...what a hypocrite? he wants be comfy and hide behind others for the misdeeds of his brothers)

1984 anti-Sikh riots report indicts Tytler, Sajjan However, Govt's ATR (Action taken report) virtually let all Cong leaders named in the Nanavati report off the hook, sparking Oppn fury http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_1455114,0008.htm

Because they didn't mind when these people were creating havoc in other countries. They considered it to be 'strategically advantageous' and they could walk around talking of their 'moral righteousness'. But now that their own country is in trouble, they have suddenly woken up. They have one set of rules for themselves, and another set of rules when it concerns other people.

Try to relax and drink more natural juices and replenish your body's mineral levels.

They should not, but most people often do. Btw what is position in sikhi regarding using of bleach ??

Believe in whatever religion you want, because every true religion is just a means to get closer with God but if it instead makes you a narrow minded and a closed individual then I believe you are worse off for it. Religion is just a means and a guide but the hard work has to be done by the individual concerned. A common problem that I find with people whether they be Islamic, Christian, Sikh or Hindu or w/e is that once they get obsessed with religion then they soon become narrow-minded and fanatical and that is actually the farthest distance you could get from God. Nowadays this is especially true of Islamic societies which are becoming increasingly religion-obsessed and fanatical and thereby they are also losing the plot.

bro that is what YOU believe. Christians see it differently. Jesus knew the entire time that one of his followers was going to double-cross him, he knew very well that the time of his end was near yet he did not take any steps to prevent the eventuality. Christ carried the cross willingly and was crucified willingly as well, but when he lay on the cross Christ found his spirit departing him, he found the pain too much to bear. You don't die instantly on the cross and that is when he asked God to redeem his suffering by giving him death instantly and thus getting rid of his suffering. You have to see it in that perspective. And you DO NOT have to listen to what American evangelists spout on 24 hour christian channels, that is like an industry and very little to do with faith. Also the Americans talk a lot but when it comes down to it they do a lot of crap in other countries so obviously they do not walk the talk. You do not have to convert to Christianity to be a good Christian, just be the good samaritan who helps others and follow the 10 commandments and you can be a good Christian. At least that is what I believe w/e other people might say.

This is dedicated to those people who think that muslims are being UNFAIRLY targetted. Inside the sect that loves terror http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-1724541,00.html

IMHO dirty thoughts (as you put it) can come and will come to anyone, amritdharis I believe should be no exception. But instead of resisting any thoughts one must let it come and go without allowing it to make any impact on you. That is the real challenge. Only when one has reached such a stage where thoughts of any kind do not affect one any longer and does not affect ones opinion of anybody or anything; then and only then can one claim to be closer to God. JMHO

Please do not make the mistake of considering muslims as your equal, because they clearly DO NOT consider non-muslim to be their equal. For them all non-muslims are kaffir/kufar etc who are not even worthy of being considered as human beings. All their sympathy and compassion are for outward show only, if they are in the dominant position then they won't even lift their little finger to help any non-muslim. There is no need to be considerate towards these brainwashed animals in human clothing. For a long long time the world has endured double standards as far as muslims are concerned. In muslim countries like Saudi Arabia, pakistan etc there is absolutely no sanctity to the life of non-muslims but suddenly no sooner than they land up on places like England, American, or even India they become the champion of human rights and freedom. In short, for muleh human rights and freedom are good in kafir, dar-ul-harb countries but there is no need for human rights or freedom in muslim countries. PLEASE DO NOT MAKE ANY SPACE FOR THESE HYPOCRITES.

So basically you are into a d#@* measuring competition to decide whose sacrifice was greater. Either you are God almighty himself OR probably vested with powers by God himself to make such judgements on his behalf. Since this is a case of 'tunnel-vision' devotion, your logic would suggest that Jesus Sacrifice=1/2 of Guruji's sacrifice; Abraham's sacrifice=1/4 of Guruji's sacrifice; Buddha's sacrifice=1/3rd of Guruji's sacrifice; Raam's sacrifice=1/6th of Guruji's sacrifice etc. WIth formulas like these you can rarely go wrong.

That is also true.

Is 'Kaur' the same as 'Kunwar' albeit pronounced differently ??

If somepeople are forcing you to do something then, you are not breaking any rules. Because what matters in the end is your conscience. And your CONSCIENCE IS STILL CLEAN.

You are right ! humans have many weaknesses and failure, one can trust God and God only. But that doesn't mean that you should not seek advice but that you must be really judicious and selective from whom you seek advice and be really careful about advice you must believe and follow ?? Just my 2 paise.

You have a good sense of humor. Nice jokes !

buddasingh, there are many types and denominations in christianity. The more right wing of those believe that only if you are christian by faith can you get closer to God and attain heaven etc etc. Those types belong to the George Bush's southern baptist school of thought, the evangelists and the like. But there are also those with much more liberal interpretations of the bible and they have only come about only after Christian populations have mingled with other religions etc. According to bible and also IMO a good samaritan who helps other people irrespective of race, religion, creed, class etc is also a also a good christian, albeit unknowingly. Christianity like other religions has a role in only helping keep the good samaritan good forever.

I think most english bobbies can make out the difference between a Sikh and a muslim even with turbans. I have trolled on BNP and white supremacist forums and even there I find no hatred or ilwill towards the Sikhs. The only problem those people seem to have is with the muslim/pakistani etc.

Guys tell me, is it possible to make a clean cut with the past as if it never existed ?? What is a 'story' today was a 'Fact' in the past. And people then were much more close to God than we are today. Thus I feel it is important to know more about them. None taken. You have to understand the context. Else it wont make any sense.

Sikhs have eternal shabad of your Gurus and Christians have plenty to choose from, for eg heard of the Ten Commandments of Moses ?? Secondly if you specifically refer to Christianity, it believes that man is a sinner, knowingly or unknowingly so as important as it is to consciously prevent ourselves from sinning it is more important to repent. Repentance has a very important place in christianity and that is exactly the reason why you find so many people in the west behaving like perpetual apologists. Hope you get the drift.

mann kaum je as per my understanding the sacrifice of Jesus saved people (viz the Romans & Jews etc) from the wrath of God as on the day he was crucified. And those who remembered his sacrifice were blessed by it, nowhere is it written that you could thus chill and lay on your back and relax for eternity due to that.

People here are confusing between the old testament and New testament and as well between Christianity & Islam. And Khalsa Fauj from where have you sourced this information that music is banned in Christianity ?? Have you never heard a Church choir before and you have also credited Jesus with a lot more powers like he forgived sins in a second etc ??

True. Hagar the mother of Ismael (the son of Abraham and Hagar) received a vision from the angel about how her son would in the future lead an entire people (Islamic). This is what the angel said about Ismael as is written in the bible. The angel of the Lord said to Hagar in the desert about her son, Ishmael (and probably his descendents, the muslims): Gen. 16:12 He will be a wild donkey of a man; his hand will be against everyone and everyone's hand against him, and he will live in hostility (before the face of, or in defiance of) to the east all his brothers