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Party in Gurdwara..............

i didnt see front page news when sikhs were being attacked mistakenly by people who thought they were muslim. no one cared then. where was harmandar singh then? was he busy trimming?

I stood there in trafalgar square yesterday thinking 'we cant do anything, why do i care.' i stood there thinking of my warm home, my bedroom, and food which mum would have ready for me when i got home. at the end of the day i watched 'Widows Colony'. it shook me. the bibi said 'do sikhs know what happend to us?' this made me think. i always thought it was the rest of the world we had to tell about it. WRONG. we still have to tell our own. we still havent managed to educate sikhs about how our own were BURNED ALIVE. we have forgotten them. we are too scared to help. we are too busy to care. we would rather socialise with our friends then come along and show our support. it dawned upon me that if my dad, brother, cousin, sister,mother, son or daughter had been killed in the riots, then i would be jumping up and down about it till i died. i would be telling everyone. i would want justice. its not enough just to say 'we cant do anything'. or 'we wont get anywhere'. if that was your dad you would still be trying, you would not give up. the documentary brought a tear to my eye. i imagined that was my mum. i thought what if i had died for the sikhs and this is how my mum was treated. nobody could be bothered, or no one had enough courage to do anything. i realised these are our people. this happend to our family. we are all sikh. we are one. this happed to us. NO ONE CARES. i cried some more. HAVE WE NO 'ANKH' LEFT IN US? Are we lions or <admin-profanity filter activated> cats? I think possibly the later. I had to say this to someone. i sit here crying. sorry if i offended anyone.

athiest talking out of his backside.

oh i got 2 degrees and a phd......shud i apply for indian pm job?

its interesting how people saw her as a dictator. how slowly she moved away from democracy. how she crushed her opponents with force. then she lost the election. got a uneducated peoples support again. won again. then turned into a dictator who crushed her opponents again. but the difference was she took it too far this time. it showed how indira was grim and never showed emotion. she lived in her own world. she was educated (wonder if education is helping her now - in hell).

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Maybe the R4G campaign should get involved? isn't this beadbi again.

please DO NOT ring this number 01772492586 it is not a Gurdwara...its a wrong number.

the family are a bunch of liars. pressure needs to be placed on them and hotel. local Gurdware should take some action.

STATEMENT FROM ROYAL LANCASTER. ROYAL LANCASTER HYDE PARK • LONDON Wedding Reception Sunday 23rd October 2005 I can confirm that jointly it has been decided that we can not proceed with the religious part of the day will be held at Shepherds Bush Gurdwara. Guests will still arrive at the Hotel for Milni after which they will be transported by coaches from the Hotel to the temple for the ceremony. After this has been completed, guests will be transported back to the Hotel for remainder of the celebration. Therefore I can confirm that at no time will Guru Granth Sahibji be on the Hotel premises. Please do not respond to this message. Thank you and apologies for any distress caused. ATTACHED IS THE ORIGINAL. wedding_statement_1_.doc

the groom is from walsall and the bride preston.

can confirm this is a definate protest. the family are defo taking Guru Granth Sahib Ji to a venue. trying to find out from the campaign guys which venue. i'm sure details will follow. appeal to all to be free on sunday.

lol...u making me crack up pheena....pmsl Good joke. anyway back to business everyone. The hotel guy is getting a little annoyed now...maybe its time to speak to Paul at Curry Special. Tell u what..... ring both 2moro. Anyone ring Suraj on his show? we cant stop until they change the venue. The family have refused to change due to their egos. This shud fill all Sikhs up with positive energy....lets use that to have an effect.

I have heard there will be a protest on 23rd October at a wedding. Can anyone clarify? The family will take Maharaaj to a hotel. I think it is Royal Lancaster Hotel in London. It is one of the 5star hotels. Any ideas about what we can do about it?

no Nishaan Sahibs should be used while celebrating....i have seen people pull out Nishaan Sahibs alongside india flags........they DO NOT go hand in hand.

I am sooo happy today. My cousin was getting married on 21st August and it was all booked up for a hotel. I found out and spoke to my cousin and he understood and realised he was going to make a mistake by taking Guru Granth Sahib Ji into a hotel. He then proceeded to talk to his parents to change the plans, but they were not having any of it, they had decided to do the wedding in a hotel and that was the end of it. My cousin gave in and didn't take my calls for a few days in shame. I then went round to his house and spoke to him, he told me his parents were not going to listen to us. I then decided to speak to his parents. They told me they respected Guru Ji just as much as me, my cousin and everybody else, they said it is better to take Guru Ji to a hotel because it is a much nicer place to do a wedding than a Gurdwara. 'The hotel is much more lush than a Gurdwara'......it will cost money to change the venue now.' My blood was boiling but i knew getting into a argument was not going to get me anywhere. My cousin started to shout at them. They could not see the problem, afterall the rest of the family are happy. 'The guests will be put out if we change plans now.' A few days later they read something in one of these newspapers and asked me about these people who stop weddings. I told them the situation. Suddenly they started to see the problem. Now 1 week to go and all has been changed. Guru Ji used a combination of my cousin, and the campaign to avert this beadbi. The wedding is now booked for a Gurdwara, and the party in the hotel.

Vjkk, Vjkf. This clearly shows people are looking upon the campaign and the sangat in a very bad light. It is important that we are all are very careful when we do seva. We must be mature when we are doing any seva. I didn't see anyone laugh or joke at the family personally but we have been accused of doing this, so it is important we don't even give this impression. Remember we are representing Guru Ji at these protests, we are representing the Guru's Khalsa, the very same Guru whose beadbi we are trying to stop. We should not take our egos to the protest. Even if someone name calls or gestures at you, we must stay controlled and behave ourselves. It is important we keep an eye on the younger protesters amongst us. We should all be doing Simran while doing seva, if not aloud then at least in our heads. We all feel strongly about the beadbi or we wouldn't be there, so lets not let ourselves and more importantly our Guru down. Anyone got any other suggestions then please put them forward. We must remember that everyone has an opinion, everybody has their own mind and most punjabi people feel the need to express their views....even if they don't know the first thing about what they are talking about. The punjabi community all think they are better than the other, they all pretend to be a Sikh when it is the right occasion, they all want to be part of Sikhi on Nagar Kirtans and Vaisakhi....why? Probably because they can celebrate on these occasions. They will take it too far on most occasions....such as cruising up and down Southall broadway with a Nishaan Sahib in one hand and alcohol in the other. They will defend this by saying this is their way of showing they are proud to be Sikh. It is just like those who will try and pretend to understand our point of view at these weddings...but when you explain to them why we are at the wedding they say allsorts, e.g: 'The Guru would have no problem coming here'.....'i want to get into Sikhi so the Guru would come here to my (cousins friends cha chas) wedding just to see me'..........'if someone was dying the Guru would come here'.....someone should ask them why they going to a wedding to die? Some of the rubbish out there about us is false and mainly just lies. But we must take it all on board and make sure we don't make these mistakes. Sorry to offend anyone. Vjkk, Vjkf.

how dare they carry Guru Granth Sahib Ji in a suitcase? how dare they call Guru Ji a book? i cannot believe this is allowed to carry on. southall community should deal with these massands.

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