sunny_love_kirtan

Hello,

I've noticed a disturbing new fashion trend among young singhs.

It used to annoy me when I'd see young singhs with substantial dharis wearing patkas instead of proper pags. I don't get it. I think a patka with a beard looks sloppy, childish, and embarrassing. But many young men think a proper pagri makes them stand out more and wearing a patka helps them slip under the radar.

Now, many young men have taken it a step further. Patkas still make it a bit difficult to "hide" since the joora is sticking out on top. So the latest "innovation" is to tie the joora at the back of the head and then cover the head with a bandana.

This is just embarrassing.

Why are young Sikh men so ashamed of the traditional Sikh appearance? They'd rather look like a random guy with a dhari wearing a bandana than look like proper Singh.

In Punjab, men used to wear turbans with pride. A man's turban was his crown. Sikhs took pride in being recognizable rather than being able to go unnoticed.

It's sad to see young men so desperate to look like anything but a Singh. Who will respect the dastar when the very men who should wear it with pride run away from it?

Does anyone know where, when and why this trend started? What can we do to instill some pride in the youth?

Yeah, it's been happening for ages in India. I guess some of these guys are a bit young and are experimenting, lol. They'll mature and realise the folly of their ways.

In Canada you see it everywhere now. All over these guys have their patkas tied durag style and have fitted caps on top.

From what I've seen, most of these guys are wanna be gangsters. Just yesterday I saw a singh, if you can call him that, wearing a durag style patka, smoking next to his car with the speakers blasting music.

He was very cool......

I saw it myself last summer in Delhi. You can't even tell if the dude is a Sardar or a Muslim. Getting funny looks from Hindus when I had a dumalla on was expected, but it was interesting to get them from these "Sardars" too. Or maybe its just me, outright ugly! :D

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO..........him.............that cats name is.... Honey I aint never coming back..............he runs the south coast pre-schools with lil bear...............selling that cake is good chedda............get them pre-school kids hooked on chocolate bars.

They stuck on the question...........to be or not to be..........

Hmm ... I was aware that there were Singhs wearing patkas and sometimes covering them with caps (usually the "urban" Sikhs in Delhi ... Sikhs living in rural areas would get ridiculed for dressing like that)

However, I did not know that they wore their jooras at the back

It's not just wanna-be gangsters now!

I've lots of Singhs who don't portray themselves as gangsters at all dressed like that, especially in England!

yup kids at my school do this, they wanna be kale. some even have ears pieced!

Low self-esteem

yea they just try to act like a kala or (FOB)

and all try to act tough and wanna be gangsters

LOL

I know a guy who ties his joora at the back and wears a bandana...

He looks like a pirate, or a ninja turtle.

At least they still keep their kesh and have some loyalty to Sikhi. A patka is a just a small keski after all, I dont really know what the big deal is. A patka takes about three seconds to put on compared to a dastaar which takes alot longer. It is more secure, more practical, more comfortable and less likely to fall off when doing physical activity or in a fight for example.

Dont get me wrong, the dastaar is what it should be. Dastaar is the crown of a Sikhi and looks better. However, peoples reasons for choosing to wear a patka from a practical perspective does not seem absurd to me.

incorrect a dastaar tied correctly shouldnt really be coming off your head easily

patka i think is fine if your going gym or footy but otherwise should be a dastarr

You are right that they are still keeping their kesh. Wearing a patka or bandana is not a violation of the Sikh religious code. I wear a patka when I'm exercising (but never at any other time).

However, they are running away from the typical Sikh look and trying to "hide". It makes it look like they are ashamed to be Sikhs with uncut hair and that they are trying to disassociate themselves from other keshdhari Sikhs. It makes them look like they have low self-esteem, and it reinforces the notion that sardars are unattractive and that the sardar "brand" (as you put it some time ago) is not something one would want to be associated with.

When a Sikh wears a nicely tied pag, it says that he/she is proud to be Sikh and wants the whole world to know it. I think if you are going to be a Sikh with uncut hair, you should go all out and do it right.

LOL one reply to you all

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ps: a really nice movie coming out...

Here is one strong reference.

With our impure conscious it's very hard for us to concentrate on naam. The whole purpose if naam simran is to clean our dirty vikaari mind or mann. Then a stage comes when ur mind becomes pure and u connect to god easily without any special effort because your consciousness becomes pure and at that stage which the according to the above example just like the clothes stained with blood are impure then now can a body and the soul and its consciousness be pure? It will give birth to more vikaars and you will be stopper by them to meditate on naam. This level we cannot experience yet because our manns are yet very dirty. We have vikaars already sticked to us and if we keep polluting our soul with this impure food we will never get to that point.

Alcohol is a natural by-product of anaerobic fermentation. Chances are pretty good that you are consuming some alcohol when you eat dhaee (yogurt).

Sikhs are not supposed to drink alcohol because it alters your state of mind, and once again leaves no room in your consciousness for God.

Alcohol is not toxic in itself, but too much alcohol is.

Too much vitamin A can also be toxic, but it is not inherently a toxic substance.

I respect you for the understanding you have about alchohal and I wont hesitate to call u brother and i will say trust me same is the case with meat. Ur medical knowledge is good but u also need to read spiritual life stories of sant/mahapurashs who knows how meat is a big hindrance between us and God. U simply cannot walk on Gurmat path with meat and u should listen to Guru Sahib and do not think that your medical knowledge is above than anyone. Guru Sahib made us and he is forbidding us from eaiting meat. Story ends here. Now its ur choice what you like to do. Listen to Guru and accept his hukam or keep thinking about ur canine.

u are talking about human nature???

humans rape and nothing goes wrong with their reproduction system

humans steel and nothing happens to their hands

humans lie nothing happens to their tounges

humans kill other innocent humans and they live freely

so what are you talking about human digestive system here?

just because humans have so many abilities to do things does not mean they are supposed to do all of them. same with ur canine.

You are referring to the lines by Bhagat Kabir. He was criticizing the practice of Halaal meat preparation. They slit the animal's throat and slowly let it bleed to death, while they recite a prayer from the Quran. That is why he asks " Would you slit your own throat, to have meat with your bread?"

Killing in the name of God is never a righteous action. If it was, then all butchers would be mahapurakhs, as Kabir ji has said.

Can you please provide that hukamnamma? I have never come across it.

As far as I know, Akal Takht does not prohibit meat eating. They only prohibit halaal meat (and kosher meat defacto).

bhagat kabir ji also says

ਜਉ ਸਭ ਮਹਿ ਏਕੁ ਖੁਦਾਇ ਕਹਤ ਹਉ ਤਉ ਕਿਉ ਮੁਰਗੀ ਮਾਰੈ ॥੧॥

Jo Sabh Mehi Eaek Khudhaae Kehath Ho Tho Kio Muragee Maarai ||1||

You say that the One Lord is in all, so why do you kill chickens? ||1||

Bhai Gurdas ji says:

ਮਾਸ ਖਾਨ ਗਲ ਛੁਰੀ ਦੇ ਹਾਲ ਤਿਨਾੜਾ ਕਉਣੁ ਅਲੋਆ।

Maas Khaani Gali Chhuree Day Haalu Tinaarhaa Kaounu Aloaa.

But what will be the plight of those who cutting the throat with knife eat flesh (of animal).

also

ਮਾਸੁ ਖਾਨਿ ਗਲ ਵਢਿਕੈ ਹਾਲੁ ਤਿਨਾੜਾ ਕਉਣੁ ਹੋਵਸੀ।

Maasu Khaani Gal Vaddhi Kai Haalu Tinaarhaa Kaounu Hovasee.

I think about the plight of those who cut the throat of others and eat their flesh.

Guru Arjun Dev Sahib ji Maharaj says:

ਗੈਬਾਨ ਹੈਵਾਨ ਹਰਾਮ ਕੁਸਤਨੀ ਮੁਰਦਾਰ ਬਖੋਰਾਇ ॥

this is challenge of gurbani to all those who are like you.