ranj03

I recognise your point about my tone, and i apologise. But as for your point on the BBC, the BBC are at this moment in time probably the most anti muslim co-operation around. Read from George Galloway or others for this. THE CURRENT TIME IN HISTORY, WE ARE TOLD TO BE SCARED OF MUSLIMS! ITS A NEW HYPE TO JUSTIFY THERE WARS IN THE MIDDLE EAST! JUST LIKE HOW JEWS WHERE DEMONISED IN THE 30'5. THIS TYPE OF PROPAGANDA JUST ENSURES THAT YOU TOO ARE SCARED. WAKE UP

Besides the point really.

Dal Singh have a day off mate.

OK SO YOU GO AGAINST THE TEACHING OF SIKHI. THATS FINE AS LONG AS YOU HAD STATED IT BEFORE POSTING.

Typical, conservative, stick in the mud crap. Just like those ostrich older generation who have ignored stuff and led to it getting to where it is now. Either come forward to do something or keep quiet. LOL DAL SINGH LOL IF ONLY YOU KNEW WHAT AN ***HOLE U ARE. IF ONLY. GO TO SCHOOL FIRST AND LEARN WHAT SIKHI.

Well i hope i have put forward a reasonably justified argument here. Even though the discussion has been quite hot and argumentative, i think that these debates are usually like this as views from both sets of people are strong and coming with good intentions. May I apologise if i have caused and upset through my language, and i thank all responses to my view, and believe that this is a topic that needs to be resolved. Thank you for your views May you go in peace WJKK WJKF. Ranj

To your posts; Firstly I did not "run off", probably a childish response I expect from a 5 year old. Secondly, to Dalsingh or whoever you are, you language just tells me your one of the "dumb masses" as George Orwell simply put it. I have lived in very "Ghetto" areas in my lifetime, noticebly Luton, where most violence breeds from. So please, before accusing and kicking up a childish and non factual response, please consider these things. Thirdly, I cannot comment on all posts as sadley I dont have the time. For those who think "Oh, hes just a "gorra" " or "Dont know why he loves muslims so much" - your ridiculous to say the least. Your hypocracy is something that is confusing all up and coming EDUCATED SIKHS such as myself. I know what our religion preaches and I know how to go about it and satisfy those laws. But you go ahead and feed your hate on others, just as OUR RELIGION GOES AGAINST. And OK, various societys may have done good to sort various rare issues, and good on them. I have personaly been to these meetings before and do understand the difficult circumstances opposed on some and FULLY RESPECT AND SUPPORT THERE CAUSE. HOWEVER, many ignorant easily lead sheep, i.e some people who have posted absolute rubbish above, MAKE THE LIVES OF SOCIETIES SUCH AS THE SAS HARDER!! By your hate, YOU cause more problems. YOU provoke more violence. What about various religious leaders in the midands of different faiths trying to resolve issues? What about them? Do you not recognise there help and support? At the end of it, it comes to one thing I truley hope you realise. The main purpose of this type pf propaganda through leaflets are DESIGNED to GET YOU ALL UP IN ARMS about rare, infrequent and 2 sided issues. Ok there are bad muslims, but there are bad sikhs also, and many of them. A reality check wouldnt go waste with many of you easily led and easily fed people. Love Sikhi? Try and follow fundamental rules such as "Dont hate others" before trying to tell me what I do and do not know.

Clearly, it is very difficult to reason with stupidity. You have no proof of anything you have just said, and will again probably divert the issue. Please re read what i have posted before you repost please. Shame that people like you drag our community down. "WE CANT NAME EVERY CASE BUT THEY EXIST"? DO CASES NOT EXIST ON THE OTHER SIDE? ARE YOU AGAIN DWELLING IN A RARE, INFREQUENT, 2 SIDED ISSUE THAT IS USED AS A PROPAGANDA TOOL BY EASILY LEAD SHEEP SUCH AS YOURSELF? YES YOU ARE PLEASE THINK

Im not trying to push the issue under the carpet. But exactly to your point, many of these leaflets are "over dramatised" just to encourage us to focus all our energy on a two sided argument, thatis usually self inflicted by "Sikh girls", who are usually given too much freedom too early. Do you know to the extent Muslims go to convert Sikh and Hindu girls jee? Heres a case:: lie to a girl that ure a muslim... sweet talk them... use "black magic" ... get their trust... rape them... take photos in bed with them... print em... blackmail the girl to convert or fotos of them together in bed would be sent to her mother, father, brothers and extended family... girl converts... Muslim pockets thousands of pounds tax free in his pocket. YOUR A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF THE TYPE OF IGNORANCE THAT SADLY EXISTS IN OUR SOCIETY. CAN I ASK: 1. HAVE YOU CONSIDERED IF A SIKH HAS DONE THIS? NO? HOW SURE ARE YOU THEN? HAVE YOU GOT ANY PROOF? NO? THATS WHAT I THOUGHT 2. WHERE DID YOU READ THIS? AN OFTENLY OVER EXAGGERATED LEAFLET/EMAIL YOU RECIEVED? THE EXACT TYPE OF PROPAGANDA I WAS TALKING ABOUT? THANK YOU FOR POSTING A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF A CLASSICALLY EASILY LEAD DIMWIT WHO, WISHES TO CONCENTRATE ON VERY RARE, INFREQUENT, TWO SIDED ISSUES INSTEAD OF CONCENTRATING ON BIGGER ISSUES - EG. MILLIONS BEING KILLED IN WARS IN MUSLIM COUNTRIES, COUNTRIES IN WHICH SIKHS TOO RESIDE (AFGHANISTAN) SIMPLY, CARPE DIEM, I PITTY YOU Pity me all u want - ive SEEN it with my own eyes. YOU are the deluded one. I was merely giving you a pov but if u wanna pity me, be my guest. Infact, everyone, please pity me. But let the raising of awareness continue coz it happens and i keep in touch with sevadars from SAS so i know what happens. They are not stupid u know Ranj - taking time out of their own working professional lives and families to educate and sort out such situations. Dont talk to me about "where did i read this n that" coz u dont know me for jack. I cant do nething about wars and i cant stop them, as much as i wud like to. but i sure can hella prevent what happened to PEOPLE I KNOW happening to other people. OK. A SIMILAR, VERY RARE, INFREQUENT CASE OCCURED WHEN THIS GIANNI 5 YEARS AGO RAPED A FIVE YEAR OLD GIRL. SO GO ON, PARADE THIS RARE EVENT AND WAGE A HATE AGAINST GIANNI'S THEN? Im sorry to here that people you know have been forced into conversion. This is very very rare and infrequent. But, do you not believe it works vice versa? Meaning muslim girls are forcefully converted? Just take a step back and realise that there are more common issues that are yet to be addressed.

THATS BESIDES THE POINT THAT WE WOULD BE COMPLAINING! WHY DO WE NOT COMPLAIN THAT THESE WARS OF THE WEST ARE KILLING INNOCENT PEOPLE IN THE EAST? EVEN THOUGH OUR PEOPLE OUR BEING KILLED TOO? TO BE HONEST, I WOULD EVEN QUESTION THE SOURCES OF THE LEAFLETS. THEY ARE DESIGNED TO ATTRACT THE "EASILY LEAD" TO VERY RARE, INFREQUENT, TWO SIDED ISSUES INSTEAD OF THE BIGGER PICTURE (KEEP THE ATTENTION OF DIMWITS GLUED TO SUCH PROPAGANDA, LEADING THEM TO IGNORE THE BIGGER ISSUES)

Im not trying to push the issue under the carpet. But exactly to your point, many of these leaflets are "over dramatised" just to encourage us to focus all our energy on a two sided argument, thatis usually self inflicted by "Sikh girls", who are usually given too much freedom too early. Do you know to the extent Muslims go to convert Sikh and Hindu girls jee? Heres a case:: lie to a girl that ure a muslim... sweet talk them... use "black magic" ... get their trust... rape them... take photos in bed with them... print em... blackmail the girl to convert or fotos of them together in bed would be sent to her mother, father, brothers and extended family... girl converts... Muslim pockets thousands of pounds tax free in his pocket. YOUR A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF THE TYPE OF IGNORANCE THAT SADLY EXISTS IN OUR SOCIETY. CAN I ASK: 1. HAVE YOU CONSIDERED IF A SIKH HAS DONE THIS? NO? HOW SURE ARE YOU THEN? HAVE YOU GOT ANY PROOF? NO? THATS WHAT I THOUGHT 2. WHERE DID YOU READ THIS? AN OFTENLY OVER EXAGGERATED LEAFLET/EMAIL YOU RECIEVED? THE EXACT TYPE OF PROPAGANDA I WAS TALKING ABOUT? THANK YOU FOR POSTING A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF A CLASSICALLY EASILY LEAD DIMWIT WHO, WISHES TO CONCENTRATE ON VERY RARE, INFREQUENT, TWO SIDED ISSUES INSTEAD OF CONCENTRATING ON BIGGER ISSUES - EG. MILLIONS BEING KILLED IN WARS IN MUSLIM COUNTRIES, COUNTRIES IN WHICH SIKHS TOO RESIDE (AFGHANISTAN) SIMPLY, CARPE DIEM, I PITTY YOU

Im not trying to push the issue under the carpet. But exactly to your point, many of these leaflets are "over dramatised" just to encourage us to focus all our energy on a two sided argument, thatis usually self inflicted by "Sikh girls", who are usually given too much freedom too early.

Sorry i dont understand. Could you expand on "although i still hear some ringing.."

I am sick and tired of our propaganda and repeatitive leaflets/emails that force us to believe that "All our girls are getting brainwashed by muslims", "Be Aware", "Dont shop at muslim stores" I AM SICK OF IT. I myself am a young sikh, and ok, perhaps there have been cases of sikh girls bring brainwashed by a minority in the muslim faith, and I hope they have been accused as guillty and punished. But very likewise, there are minorities in every religion, inlcuding sikh that have wrong intentions for the innocent. But why then must ALL or MOST muslims be so demonised? 5 Years ago a SENIOR SIKH GIANNI raped a young 5 year old girl. Does this rare story mean all Sikh Gianni's are rapists? Of course it doesnt. The common story most sikhs love to repeat is "all our girls are getting brainwashed" or "our girls get forced into conversions" - try going out on a Friday night in your local city and see how many of them are WILLINGLY draped over the local muslim lads. They are not as innocent as you like to make out - sorry to burst your bubble! PLEASE NOT I AM NOT AT ALL TAKING "SIDES" AS IGNORANT PEOPLE LOVE TO ACCUSE ME OF. I AM SIMPLY STATING FACTS, AND NOT TRYING TO PURPOUSLY START HATE CAMPAIGNS AGAINST ANYBODY - JUST LIKE MANY OF THESE STORIES ARE DESIGNED TO DO. Like I have said before, I am a Sikh and truly love my religion. Like many, I know our Sikhi nation is one that is peaceful and loving. To hate anybody is against Gods will in nearly all religions, including ours. Therefore to hate anybody because of there religion, race, sex etc is AGAINST SIKHISM. That is why I find it so hypocritical of many so called "Sikhs" who feed there hate in muslims through propaganda tools like these leaflets. LETS NOT FORGET OUR OWN VALUES. IF YOU DONT LIKE SOMEBODY OR ARE CONCERNED, EITHER STAY WELL AWAY OR GIVE NOTICE TO AUTHORITIES. IF THEY BEGIN TO ATTACK, THEN UNDER THE LAW OF OUR RELIGION WE MUST, AND WILL ATTACK THEM TO PROTECT OUR BEAUTIFULL RELIGION. But, in many cases, to suddenly get "VERY RELIGIOUS" all of a sudden after reading these stories, especially when you dont abide by your religions laws almost 99% of the time, is to say the least, childish. STOP AGROVATING A VERY VERY RARE ISSUE, THAT NEARLY MOST OF THE TIME IS SELF INFLICTED BY WILLING CONVERTED SIKH GIRLS. YES IT HAPPENS AND YES IT IS BAD, BUT WE HAVE THE EXACT SAME IDIOTS IN OUR OWN RELIGION DOING THE SAME THING, AGAIN SELF INFLICTED BY WILLINGLY COVERTED MUSLIM GIRLS. THEREFORE, THERE IS NO ISSUE! INSTEAD, WE SHOULD CONCENTRATE ON STRENGTHENING OUR RELIGION AND SO SHOULD THEY WJKK WJKF

Hi im also in birmingham too. Who did you appeal through and how much did it cost roughly?

How much does appeal cost? And should we appeal through UK or india because UK has approved of them coming here? Cheers, Rnj

Hi Reason for visit was for a holiday/trip The visa agent has now said that my uncle showed too much funds? They have no dependants in india, kids are in canada and we did send a sponsership form what can be done?

Hi Bad news im afraid, but can anyone help me out with information/experience/advice My two relatives (uncle and auntie) and been rejected a tourist visa to the Uk. We went through the standard sponsership for them, but they have been rejected. Has anyone had this problem with relatives or friends in India and did they manage to appeal/get it resolved? Any advice or info would be greatly appreciated Rnj.

Thank you for that. Brilliant info

Hi Will be going to the Golden Temple soon. Please could you post very brief history about features within the temple, eg The sacred tree. I need this type of info to make mine and others visit a more educational one. PLEASE NOT > I ONLY REQUIRE BRIEF HISTORY, I.E COUPLE OF SENTENCES NO CHAPTERS OR ESSAYS PLEASE R.Singh

I will try to contact website if i can and get it sorted. Thank you Ranjit Singh

www.indhistory.com/hindu-temple/hindu-temple-golden-temple.html This website, named indhistory.com names the golden temple under the "HINDU TEMPLE" subtitle. Surely this is misleading to thousands even perhaps millions of people who do not know about sikh history? (I SEARCHED GOLDEN TEMPLE IN GOOGLE AND THIS SITE WAS ON THE FIRST SEARCHED PAGE?) eg. If british tourist wanted more info on golden temple, then they may be mislead into thinking it is a hindu shrine? How can we resolve this and what should we do? Ranjit Singh

I KNOW IN SIKHI WE ARE TAUGHT NOT TO BELIEVE IN SUPERSTITION BUT, MANY CLEAR AWKARD THINGS (CUPBOARDS CLOSING OPENING SEVERAL TIMES ITSELF) HAVE HAPPENED TO SOMEBODY I KNOW. WHAT ARE THE ANSWERS TO THESE? WJKK WJKF

This Shabad is by Guru Nanak Dev Ji in Siree Raag on Pannaa 62 ijau supnY inis BulIAY jb lig indRw hoie ] jio supanai nis bhuleeai jab lag nidhraa hoe || In their dreams at night, people wander around as long as they sleep; ieau srpin kY vis jIAVw AMqir haumY doie ] eio sarapan kai vas jeearraa a(n)thar houmai dhoe || just so, they are under the power of the snake Maya, as long as their hearts are filled with ego and duality. gurmiq hoie vIcwrIAY supnw iehu jgu loie ]7] guramath hoe veechaareeai supanaa eihu jag loe ||7|| Through the Guru's Teachings, they come to understand and see that this world is just a dream. ||7|| Could somebody explain this clearer and further please

Anyone else had this experience or is it just me? Isnt it just impossible to learn how to drive with asian parents? Do they >Expect you to learn how to drive in 30 mins! >Shout like crazy to natural learner mistakes! Let me know :wub: